10:49:03 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone: Welcome to the Operations, Finance and Budget Working Group (OFB-WG) Call
10:49:25 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
10:57:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone: Great to see you again @Dteve miss you!
11:01:38 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:Hello everyone

00:20:45 Heidi Ullrich: I’ll change the agenda item, Marita. Will also add your slides.
00:23:07 Claudia Ruiz: Welcome Tony Holmes to the call
00:23:29 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: won't need 5 mins for our tiny update
00:24:15 Tony Holmes: Thanks Claudia
00:26:31 Claudia Ruiz: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:28:10 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Indeec thanks for recognising us both @Steve
00:28:24 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: but were regulrs in this WG as well anyway ;-)
00:31:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I remember it well
00:32:41 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and yes it was an 'interesting time" with the post 1st Review of the GNSO and the post Paris ICANN Meeting outcomes
00:32:47 Jonathan Zuck: And we have a new EPDP coming up
00:33:20 Jonathan Zuck: And the upcoming transfer policy will be big
00:34:18 Jonathan Zuck: Milton's happy!
00:34:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well noted @Steve re the current structure
00:37:01 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: At 0400 I am not putting on my video sorry
00:37:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Congratulations to her @SeB
00:38:31 Tony Holmes: Another concern we have is the apparent increasing inability of the community to help shape any holistic review. The Board have spoken of running a pilot but there is no discussion over how that would be introduced.
00:39:55 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes the word "Pilot" is a lot less than we were recommending in the ATRT3 Report
00:40:59 Tony Holmes: That point is so important
00:41:41 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and it was envisaged that the whole ICANN Community would be key to framing the Holistic Review as proposed
00:42:55 Tony Holmes: Any GNSO review held before the holistic review is totally pointless and will achieve little.
00:43:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I personally agree woth that @Tony
00:44:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: That is the politest way of describing it @Steve
00:44:13 Jonathan Zuck: Agreed with many of the findings but none of the recommendations
00:45:16 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and 2 voting Board Members was one of the ** Original** recommendations from OUR 1st Review
00:45:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: BUT the then Board cut the implementation to 1
00:45:39 Nadira AL-ARAJ: Good point and giving all board a voting members
00:46:44 Maureen Hilyard: The OFB is the group that I suggest is where we could make some sort of suggestion of a structural review of ICANN
00:46:45 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It could come out with a recommendations that the structures of the AC/SO's needs to be focusses on in a 1st Holistic Review
00:47:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Exactly @Syeve a power balancing review
00:47:19 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: sorry typos abound today
00:48:12 Jonathan Zuck: What needs to happen now. Keeping up pressure on the timeline and making sure the charter doesn't exclude a board restructuring?
00:48:50 Maureen Hilyard: We could have a dedicated call on this topic after the CPWG and OFB have been able to provide an At-Large position on these suggestions.
00:49:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Agree totally @Tony
00:49:10 Maureen Hilyard: +1
00:49:39 Jonathan Zuck: Sounds good @Maureen. Not sure this is a CPWG issue but certainly an ALAC issue.
00:49:50 Tony Holmes: A holistic review may not be able to change the GNSO at that stage, but it can make a very strong representation that it needs to be addressed
00:50:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Exactly @Tony!!
00:51:15 Steve DelBianco (BC): The “Pilot” is just about prioritizing recommendations coming out of all the reviews. I understand that the Pilot is not related to the Holistic Review.
00:51:51 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes if nothing else we need to get the best outcomes from such a "Pilot" if that **has** to be the starting point lets assure it is not a dilution of concept to less than desired
00:52:44 Maureen Hilyard: @JZ I too agree on an At-Large approach
00:53:36 Maureen Hilyard: with ALAC working together with others of like minds on this particular issue because it is ICANN wide.
00:53:48 Tony Holmes: Thank You We would really appreciate that opportunity
00:53:55 Jonathan Zuck: Thanks for coming, guys!
00:53:58 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes we should note than as far as I am aware none of the ATRT3 shepherds were even reached out to regarding this "Pilot" for the Holistic Review ***SIGH***
00:54:50 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes Greatly appreciated to hear from you and look towards some mutualism going forward
00:54:53 Jonathan Zuck: If only we had some sort of...Accountability Framework...for the board...
00:55:03 Tony Holmes: Thanks everyone for allowing me to join
00:55:14 Wolf-Ulrich Knoben: Thank you
00:55:23 Maureen Hilyard: You have all been very welcome Tony, Steve and Wolf
00:56:16 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: ++1 Maureen
00:56:27 Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo: Thanks all
00:56:29 Wolf-Ulrich Knoben: I think we still have a chance to help design the pilot
00:56:34 Jonathan Zuck: Steve has a reputation for being idealistic and trusting...
01:01:30 JUDITH' hellerstein: Exactly
01:02:37 JUDITH' hellerstein: I also submitted a longer individual comment on accessibility
01:04:22 JUDITH' hellerstein: As we can say trust but verify
01:04:36 Maureen Hilyard: Great summaries, Marita
01:05:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes very valuable review and analysis greatly appreciated @Marita
01:05:56 Olivier Crépin-Leblond: strange that my name came up as announcement. I did not speak
01:07:13 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: We did and we requested a part FTE to be hored
01:07:36 Maureen Hilyard: @Olivier.. obviously the system likes the sound of your voice
01:08:02 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: but we got it for a short period during Implementation Review work not going forward to do the SUPPORT work **SIGH**
01:09:06 Maureen Hilyard: @Marita.. it is really important that we acknowledge the responses that Org has given to our comments, and it would make sense that we incorporate these responses into our future work
01:17:24 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks @Marita
01:17:38 Maureen Hilyard: @Marita This provides great backgrounding for future work
01:17:39 Dave Kissoondoyal: Thanks @Marita
01:19:52 Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo: Well done @Marita
01:22:16 Marita Moll: Just a starting point for next time
01:23:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Did I drop off I had to switch back to phine to hear anything?
01:24:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: phone
01:24:35 Marita Moll: I will be there -- tomorrow
01:24:49 JUDITH' hellerstein: Well done Marita
01:24:55 Jonathan Zuck: thanks! Marita
01:25:07 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now then
01:25:23 Heidi Ullrich: Should the call with the CSG be scheduled for next week and the. Next OFB WG in. Two weeks?
01:25:30 Dave Kissoondoyal: Thanks and bye to all
01:25:38 Marita Moll: Bye all

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