Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the ROP WG and Metrics SC call on Monday 27 August 2012 at 1800 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/fA8eAg
Matt Ashtiani:hello and welcome everyone
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello!
Holly Raiche:Hi everyone. Just waiting to be called
Darlene Thompson:Hello all!
Nathalie Peregrine:Holly, can you please confirm your number, to be on the safe side, we're doing the dial outs now.
Holly Raiche:The US number is (508) 758 2442
Nathalie Peregrine:The operator got your VM, they're trying again Holly
Nathalie Peregrine:For those connected on the audio bridge, please mute your PC speakers to avoid echo and background noises, thank you!
sergio salinas porto:hello all
Heidi Ullrich:Hello, everyone!
sergio salinas porto:hi heidi!
Eduardo Diaz:Hoal a todos
Yaovi Atohoun:Hello all
sergio salinas porto:hola eduardo!!!! comoe stas amigo? saludos desde argentina
Eduardo Diaz:I am connected to the EN channel
Alan Greenberg:Bad echo
Alan Greenberg:(or a GOOD echo if you like echos)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:bit of an echo we will try and sort
Matt Ashtiani:hi all, please remember to mute your computer seakers
sandra hoferichter:Hi all, I´ll be with you in 5 min.
Heidi Ullrich:Holly, your line has been muted. It was causing the echo.
Cintra Sooknanan:Hello everyone
Heidi Ullrich:Holly, *7 to unmute
Heidi Ullrich:All Drafting Teams now have Sandbox workspaces :)
Sylvia Herlein:hello everyone!!
Heidi Ullrich:they are linked to today's agenda as well as each of the DT Wiki workspaces
Natalia Enciso:hello everyone!
Darlene Thompson:Yep!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:We do
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Sylvia and Natalia!
Sylvia Herlein:hi
Natalia Enciso:I am in the EN channel
Natalia Enciso:Hi Nathalie
Nathalie Peregrine:Noted :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Oh OK sorry I thought youy were in ES
Natalia Enciso:I am on the AC, maybe thats why I am on the En channel
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:ahh :-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes new definitions will be handled at the end
Nathalie Peregrine:Natalia, we can dial out to you if you want to join the ES channel
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I have put a polaceholder in for Glosarry as an APENDIX
Heidi Ullrich:apologies!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Jacque Morris sends her apologies - she sent an email
Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Sala!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Draft Working Document for this call has been sent to the DSDT - please check mailbox
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:to help us idenitfy areas of overlap
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I like tht style Alan
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes Alan that is the most efficient way to do it
Carlton Samuels:Definitions in 1 place, please
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:there are rare exceptions
Darlene Thompson:Agree with Alan - don't bother defining in-line
Cintra Sooknanan:I prefer just the definitions.. so it is easier to update
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:prefer Definitions in one place
Carlton Samuels:I prefer defintion is in one place, in the Definitions Section
Darlene Thompson:Yep, I know Alan - sorry - typed it before your "in-line also" comment came out.
Darlene Thompson:In-line becomes redundant then, in my mind, but I won't be heart broken either way
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:[I hope all the DSDT on this call have received their copy of the working document to help track areas of overlap
Natalia Enciso:On the sp now, thanks Nathalie.
Heidi Ullrich:sorry, we are trying to mute that line.
Nathalie Peregrine:Operators are on it
Heidi Ullrich:that was Olivier's line
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lol
Heidi Ullrich:he's on the call, but no in the AC
Darlene Thompson:Its hard to keep Olivier in line...
Carlton Samuels:The structure of the document must follow a pattern we would have established. The very first two sections will be A: Authorities and Structure B: Defintions
Yaovi Atohoun:I am traveling to Accra (Ghana) early tomorrow morning and I am sorry that I will leave the meeeting a 18h30 UTC to solve an issue in town. Thanks
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:With respect to the Definitions, we have reviewed the existing definitions and would like to give a cut off date to all other draft Teams to send in what they perceive need to be inserted into the Definitions section. The Peer Review Process will be ongoing until the final draft is submitted
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This is in terms of new definitions, please visit the DSDT Workplan to see teh scheduling for this
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:NP Yaovi
Cintra Sooknanan: I prefer just the definitions.. so it is easier to update
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we won't decide now but the comments are noted Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:we will decide now Sala
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:ok
Darlene Thompson:Agree with Cintra
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: I mean a specific section of the document that has a header/label "Definitions" and which contains all of the definitions for all terms requiring this before use in the document.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:as each DT will be doing some in text Deffiitions as well as task and Major Definitions from DSDT
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:if Alan's proposal is agreed to
Eduardo Diaz:Maybe we can footnotes for those definition the first time they appear in addition to the definintion section
Eduardo Diaz:i missed the verb "use" before footnotes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:yes that is also a alteration option to the inline either links it to the oage the 1st reference happens
Alan Greenberg:Footnotes work well on paper but the equivalent on the web is hyperlinks.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:agreed Alan
Eduardo Diaz:I like hyperlinks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:rememebre the written form for us is a downloadable and printed PDF
Alan Greenberg:On the web, for definitions, perhaps better than a hyperlink is that you can hover over word and definition pops up.
Eduardo Diaz:@alan: +1
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes we can prepare two modes
Rudi Vansnick:footnote alikes
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:one for web and one for print
Carlton Samuels:@Alan on thinking for plain old analog documents; +1
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes footnotes seem easy
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:it will be readable
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Teams are asked to visit the DSDT Sandbox to see the current draft revisions of existing definitions
Heidi Ullrich:DSDT sandbox link: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Definition+and+Structure+Draft+Team+Sandbox
Eduardo Diaz:@cintra: I disagree. I always like a section where I can see ALL definitions regarding from which section it is used
Rudi Vansnick:i'll have a look on what technology can offer us as a solution
Yaovi Atohoun:Sorry that I am leaving now. We'll see the minutes
Heidi Ullrich:Holly, your line is NOT muted, so you should be able to speak when called upon.
Alan Greenberg:Agree with Eduardo. If a term is capitalized, it must show up in the definitions section. COnsistency is important.
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks for joining, Yaovi.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:By Yaovi, your presence is appreciated - will update you later
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Rudi, you can look for something and let us all know
Alan Greenberg:Typically the display and print forms are the same text, but with different CSS (stylesheets) to define how items are handled.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Readability id the main driver at all times
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:absolutely
Matt Ashtiani:cheryl - please confirm - AI: Staff to help draft a glossary/preamble of all definitions within the ammended ROPs?
Cintra Sooknanan:ha.. I would love to see the length of time we take on the substantive points.
Heidi Ullrich:ok, thanks
Alan Greenberg:MAtt, think the issue was that staff would confirm/suggest style formats to allow both display and print
Heidi Ullrich:that was a suggestion I made to Cheryl regarding using the bylaws as a starting point for the definition of the ALAC: http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI
Holly Raiche:i did alan is right
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Alan most often is...
Carlton Samuels:At Alan on rules of conduct: +1
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I find the RoP to be for ALAC Business and Conduct of Meetings etc such as voting, proxies etc
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Declaration of Conflict of Interest etc
Nathalie Peregrine:Hadja Ouatarra has joined the audio bridge
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This is why we are using the current style in Definitions
Heidi Ullrich:ICANN's Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Eduardo Diaz:What if we you include a statement that we shall follow the code of conduct adopted by ICANN as a whole
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Re: code of conduct, might be more straightforward to link to ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Natalia Enciso:I think the code of conduct should exists as a document. Maybe mention in ROPS that at-large members are binding to that document which forms part of the Rops.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes agree with Natalia
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Cheryl - the syncing of Work Plans too please at some stage
Heidi Ullrich:Duties and Metrics DT Sandbox: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Rules+of+Procedure+Duties+and+Metrics+Drafting+Team+Sandbox
Cintra Sooknanan:agree that code of conduct needs to be a separate document as it may be updated more frequently and has a different standard of agreement than the ROP as a whole
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Someone needs to mute their mike
Nathalie Peregrine:Please remember to announce yourselves for the interpreters, thank you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:hmmm Matt I note the sandbox has no link toi the document Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:is referring to
Matt Ashtiani:i am happy tp add it. alan - can you send me the document(s)
Heidi Ullrich:Alan, could you please send staff the links?
Heidi Ullrich:oh no!
Matt Ashtiani::-)
Heidi Ullrich:thanks, Alan. That is what we wanted to know.
Heidi Ullrich:last night, Alan ;)
Heidi Ullrich:Apologies for not informing the Penholders
Cintra Sooknanan:I am disconnected but following on adobe so no need for call back thanks
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Our Repository is the Rules and References Section
Heidi Ullrich:ok, Cintra.
Natalia Enciso:I have to leave now. Have an appointment with phisioterapist. Will listen to the audio later. e-See you on wednesday.
Cintra Sooknanan:hope all is well Natalia
Holly Raiche:we aren'y doing meetings
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Thanks Natalia
Natalia Enciso:THanks Cintra, yes everything is fine. Take care. Will leave the AC open for recording. Cheers
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:For instance things like qualification of ALAC
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:so when we are drafting the structure we can leave space for things like Subject to <xxxx> the ALAC shall...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Alan
Holly Raiche:yes please
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Alan
Heidi Ullrich:Meeting and Administration DT Sandbox: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Rules+of+Procedure+Process%3A+Meetings+and+Administration+Sandbox
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:rofl re: standing
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Things like types of Meetings, face to face meetings; working meetings
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:All of Prime Ministers in the Pacific are in Cook Islands
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:including Hillary Clinton?
Cintra Sooknanan:wow
Heidi Ullrich:Sandbox of the Elections, Selections and Appointments: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Rules+of+Procedure+Process%3A+Elections%2C+Selections%2C+and+Appointments+Drafting+Team+Sandbox
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lol
Heidi Ullrich:Staff wrote Yjro an urgent message to join the call.
Cintra Sooknanan:I am off to the WHois Survey Drafting Team call
Carlton Samuels:I need to leave the call now. Duty calls. See y'all
Cintra Sooknanan:bye bye
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Bye Cintra and Carlton
sergio salinas porto:bye
Rudi Vansnick:bye
Heidi Ullrich:Metrics Sandbox: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Metrics+Sub-Committee+Drafting+Workspace
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:where is the template?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:i see
Matt Ashtiani:almost up
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Excellent Cheryl
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro::) [Now I have hope that we will finish before Toronto]
Eduardo Diaz:Is there a link to the template?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:i can't seeing the template
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:oops see
Heidi Ullrich:Cheryl is this the right page: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Metrics+Sub-Committee+Drafting+Workspace
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes i was also wondering where that new addition came from - had seen it on the wiki but did not open it
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I don't think the right thing is up
Matt Ashtiani:sorry :-)
Heidi Ullrich:Sorry, that was my fault
Alan Greenberg:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Rules+of+Procedure+Modification+Proposals+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Alan!
Alan Greenberg:The link above is the TEMPLATE page
Eduardo Diaz:Who is moderating this page? Can we make changes directly or via comments?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:for the DSDT - we comment on our own wiki; for comments on other DTs, yes everyone can comment on others but we are not allowed to touch any other's DT space
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we can change our DSDT space
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:For us - we will create a childpage for comments from other DTs
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes numbering is not so important at the moment - Cheryl was wise in using letters for now
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:+1 Cheryl
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This is most excellent
Heidi Ullrich:The next joint call should be in 3 weeks - 17 September
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Cheryl can you please add A.0 for Definitions
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I will do it
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you for the permission
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@Alan which is why we preserve the childpages - on our drafts we have inserted comments on revised changes
Darlene Thompson:THANK YOU CHERYL!!!!!!!
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks for that, Cheryl! ;)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:II thought it was inbuilt for transparency
Darlene Thompson:E-mails on minor wording changes are driving me buggy
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:but if people are happy not to be notified, fine with me
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:the alternative also is to unsunscribe to to the watching
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:excellent Cheryl
Darlene Thompson:As a working group member, why would I want to unsubscribe when there may be major changes???
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:see the second comment
Heidi Ullrich:Alan, just inform staff
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:overrides the first comment
Heidi Ullrich:when you would like to hold your DT calls.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Cheryl explained and am happy with the explanation
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:adios everyone - gracias
Rudi Vansnick:bye and thank you all
sandra hoferichter:Bye, bye!
Eduardo Diaz:Gracias. Great meeting!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you everyone
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:bye all
sergio salinas porto:bye
