Jean-Jacques:Hello...
Sergio Salinas Porto:hello everybody
Matt Ashtiani:hello jean-jacques and sergio!
Eduardo Diaz:Hola from Eduardo Diaz
Matt Ashtiani:hola eduardo
Jean-Jacques:hi Matt, Heidi, Marilyn, Olivier, Sergio, Gareth, Tijani...
Tijani:Hi Jean Jacques and all
Marilyn Vernon:Hello Jean Jacques!
Alan Greenberg:I will likely not be on this call until the end of the post-JAS drafting group call.
Evan Leibovitch:Greetings. I'll be with Alan but monitoring this chatroom
Heidi Ullrich:At 14:05 UTC we have reached quorum
sylvia herlein:hello everybody from Brazil
Heidi Ullrich:Hi Sylvia!
Matt Ashtiani:hello JJS!
Sergio Salinas Porto:hello jean jacques, matt, eduardo, tijani, alan, evan, heidi & sylvia
Jean-Jacques:could someone have the operator call me please? +33678107085
Marilyn Vernon:Noted JJS
Dave Kissoondoyal:Hi all
Evan Leibovitch:on the alac call now
CLO:noted
Marilyn Vernon:noted Evan, thanks!
CLO:JJS dod you get your dial out?
Jean-Jacques:no not yet
Heidi Ullrich:Link to the July 2011 Action items: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Meeting+26.07.2011+Action+Items
Marilyn Vernon:CLO the operator is dialing JJ now.
Tijani:Can you please tell Adigo to call me on +216 70 825 231?
Tijani:I'm still waiting
Jean-Jacques:Marilyn, I was into the call, but then the line was dropped. Call me again please?
Heidi Ullrich:This is Jamie, the interpreter
Marilyn Vernon:noted JJS
Marilyn Vernon:Tijani the operator is trying to reach you
Heidi Ullrich:Hi Dave! Welcome.
Heidi Ullrich:Dev Anand has joined the call on EN
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Dev.
Sergio Salinas Porto:hi dev!
Matt Ashtiani:https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Dakar+Meeting+Preparation+Workspace
Marilyn Vernon:FYI - Edmon Chung has left the call.
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Olivier and Matt for the new format of AIs.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello Evereyone!
Jean-Jacques:I suggest we vote now, if we have the RALO recommendation
Jean-Jacques:oh, my line was just dropped...
Eduardo Diaz:Can someone post the link to these reports?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/LACRALO+Secretariat+Monthly+Reports
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Sorry : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large%20Reports%20from%20WGs,%20RALOs%20and%20Liaisons
CLO 2:they are all in wiki pages Edwardo and linked from the AGemda
Dave Kissoondoyal:As usual Dev is very prompt in pasting the links
CLO:my ccNSO Liason one os here https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ccNSO+Liaison+Reports
Heidi Ullrich:Matt will aim to start the ALS vote within 24-48 hours
Heidi Ullrich:PC on Strategic Plan: http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/stratplan-2012-29jul11-en.htm
Heidi Ullrich:At-Large wiki workspace on the 2012-2015 Strategic Plan: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/Strategic+Plan+2012-15
Heidi Ullrich:AT-Large Improvements Workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/At-Large+Improvements+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich:Work Team C focused on the Strategic Planning: https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/At-Large+Improvements+Work+Team+C
CLO:Yes Tijabi I was going to make that pont as well\
sylvia herlein:we are working on this in LACRALO
Oksana Prykhodko:great
Oksana Prykhodko:i am in the call
Evan Leibovitch:I wish to be on the record advancing that the Strategic Plan is a complete sham and that our participation in it is a total waste of time. What is the point of spending a single person-minute on the SP if ICANN routinely ignores it at execution time?
Evan Leibovitch:Existing Strategic Plans would do quite fine and don't need to be refreshed. A lack of will to execute the plan -- regardless of how it is crafted -- make the whole SP creation process moot.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:http://www.atlarge.icann.org/summit-en.htm
Evan Leibovitch:As I am on another call and multi-tasking here, I would appreciat if someone could read this PoV into the record at the first appropriate moment
Heidi Ullrich:Link to At-Large Summit page, including At-Large Declaration: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/summit-en.htm
CLO:there is a s resonence with the 7/8 topics in the famework and our ALAC statements from the at-Large Summit declarations Yes OCL
Heidi Ullrich:Would the ALAC like to have an At-Large community call on the Strategic Plan in addition to having Kurt on the regional calls?
Sergio Salinas Porto 2:good idea
Evan Leibovitch:has my comment been read into the record?
Heidi Ullrich:Staff will be sending the At-Large wiki worspace on the Strategic Plan to the regions
Evan Leibovitch:i'm here and can say it mysrelf :-)
CLO:JJS I was about to offer the same thing :) great minds :)
Gareth Shearman:My line has dropped - trying to reestablish
Heidi Ullrich:Gareth, please let us know if you need a dial out
Alan Greenberg:On call now.
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Alan!
Gareth Shearman:Thanks Heidi - I am back and OK at the moment
Heidi Ullrich:ok, thanks
Heidi Ullrich:Carlton has joined the call.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Tijani:I'm droped
Tijani:Can you please ask adigo to call back
Heidi Ullrich:Yes, Tijani
Tijani:Thank you Heidi
Heidi Ullrich:Adigo is dialing you now
Sandra Hoferichter:The line is terrible today - my line only?
Marilyn Vernon:Sandra, we will have the oprator check your line.
Sandra Hoferichter:Thanks
Tijani:it was very bad from the beginning
Tijani:the voice of Olivier is ached
Tijani:hached
Eduardo Diaz:I can hear you well.
Tijani:and I'm still waiting for Adigo
Oksana Prykhodko:i have also technical problems i support icann academy i need more information in russian
Marilyn Vernon:for those who are having problems Adigo is checking the line
Tijani:bt Ined t be on thebrige now
Tijani:*but I need to be on the bridge now
CLO 2:It was SFO
Marilyn Vernon:tijani, the operator is having trouble reaching you on your office line
Marilyn Vernon:they are now trying your mobile and then home#
Alan Greenberg:Can someone give me the URL to the new Wiki page of draft PEDNR comment?
Marilyn Vernon:Tijani is back on
Evan Leibovitch:If there is something to be done at the Toronto meeting I may be able to help with local logistics.
CLO 2:Sorry Alan I must have been dreaming can't find any sign of it :-(
Alan Greenberg:ok. I couldn't see it either, so good to have confirmation that *I* am not dreaming.
CLO 2:perhaps we dream together ;-)
Alan Greenberg:After 3 cups of coffee, I shouldn't be! ;-)
Alan Greenberg: Kinky!
Oksana Prykhodko:my full support to Sandra!
sylvia herlein:agree
Sandra Hoferichter:https://community.icann.org/x/XgBsAQ<https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/ICANN+Academy+Proposal
Evan Leibovitch:Re: timing for the academy... may be best for a bit before AND a bit after:
sylvia herlein:@sandra is not working
Evan Leibovitch:Before to give people some idea what to expect and introductions
sylvia herlein:the link
Carlton Samuels:5 voting members!
Sandra Hoferichter:indeed the link nis not working
Sandra Hoferichter:could staff please check the link for the ICANN Academy
Oksana Prykhodko:Sandra, it's great!
Heidi Ullrich:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ALAC+and+RALO+Elections%2C+Selections+and+Appointments+2011
CLO 2:Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATESDelegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making;2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN;3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities;4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities;5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and6. Persons
Oksana Prykhodko:I did check this link today morning
Carlton Samuels:http://nomcom.icann.org/bylaws.htm
Eduardo Diaz:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ALAC+and+RALO+Elections%2C+Selections+and+Appointments+2011
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://community.icann.org/x/VYEUAQ
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:The shortened version workls
Matt Ashtiani:http://www.atlarge.icann.org/alac
Matt Ashtiani:https://community.icann.org/x/VYEUAQ
Tijani:Droped again
Sandra Hoferichter:I droped again, could you pleasecall me again?
Tijani:Are they going to call back?
Eduardo Diaz:Carlso Vera from LACRALO was selected already by a 50.3% vote
Tijani:+216 70 825 231
Eduardo Diaz:and Glenn is the only one nominated by NARALO
Sergio Salinas Porto:call me please i{m out
Tijani:pleeeeese let them call me
CLO 2:Remeber Edmon is a 7th yes
Tijani:ok, I'm on the bridge
CLO 2:Tijani OK
Evan Leibovitch:Sergio: the current vote is to approve the three NomCom candidates who have been out forward for NA, EU and AF regions
CLO 2:I was going to start typing via skype woth you
Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: That was a non-binding preference by LACRALO. It is the ALAC that nominates eventually
Sandra Hoferichter:I am back in the call
Marilyn Vernon:Sergio, the operator is dialing out to you now
Eduardo Diaz:@Carlton: thanks for the clarification
Sergio Salinas Porto:back one
Evan Leibovitch:Sergio: we will do the other regions next. This is just for the three regions where only one name has been put forward
Sandra Hoferichter:I was out of the calll and missed the item
Ron Sherwood:Please can I receive a new dial out? The call was dropped. Thanks
Sandra Hoferichter:yes
CLO 2:We seem to have lots of issues with the lines today
Sandra Hoferichter:aftet the call
Matt Ashtiani:I believe it has already passed: Agree: OCL, Carlton, CLO, D. Kissoondoyal, Leibovitch, Gareth, Sylvia, Tijani, Edmon, Sandra
Carlton Samuels:Any ALAC member may ask for another vote. But the entire mebership has the right to vote on that also!
Evan Leibovitch:@Sergio: What is your opposition to Yrjo, Mohammed and Glenn?
Carlton Samuels:@Dave Kiss...need to put down your hand!
Dave Kissoondoyal:I propose that we do an anonymous poll for the remaining regions
Carlton Samuels:@Dave Kissoon: please...
Carlton Samuels:OK done
Dave Kissoondoyal:@Carlton - Thanks
CLO 2:REGIONS do not choose ALAC does Regions can poout forward names that is all we ALAC has choosen outside of such lisy=ts before and we can again
Sergio Salinas Porto:sorry, I was wrong
Carlton Samuels:@Tijani: The vote will be recorded, just not the detail of the vote
Dave Kissoondoyal:I am in favour for secret vote as well
Dave Kissoondoyal:the vote will be recorded but with no mention of the members who have voted to any specific candidates
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: +1. Support the need for people with deep experience in ICANN matters!!
CLO:Yes indeed!
Evan Leibovitch:@alan: IMO a mix of necomers and "old timers" is called for.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Agree with Alan
Tijani:fully agree
CLO:and we also MUST consider the criteria
Carlton Samuels:The NomCom is probably the most imporant place where experience is a real plus!
Evan Leibovitch:Too many newcomers and there is no continuity. Too many insiders makes the focus too narrow
CLO:I personally think a BP vote for next 48-72 hrs is onky way to go on this
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Yes, call the BP vote
sylvia herlein:agree with sergio
Alan Greenberg:I beleive that the ALAC rules of Procedure REQUIRE a secret vote on issues related to people.
Eduardo Diaz:What is consider experience in ICANN ?
CLO:Yes unless we have consensus and we go to vote as I said in my intro it must be such a CLOSED VOTE
Dave Kissoondoyal:Disgree with Sergio
Carlton Samuels:@Segio: Sergio is incorrect!
Carlton Samuels:the ALAC RoP does NOT say so!!
Jean-Jacques:CLO, absolutely !
Dave Kissoondoyal:100% clear CLO
Evan Leibovitch:I am trying to track down the RoP document
sylvia herlein:Ok about the secret vote, but what about the preference of LACRALO members about the especific candidate?
Marilyn Vernon:ALL: friendly reminder that the interpreters have a hard stop in 5 minutes.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Evan Leibovitch:Got it: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2262672/AL-2007-1-1-Rev11+ALAC+Internal+Rules+of+Procedure+-+EN+.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1287527930000
Sergio Salinas Porto:ok, only was just a suggestion
Evan Leibovitch:10.2: All voting in elections will be CONFIDENTIAL
Evan Leibovitch:It's not a matter of agreement.
Evan Leibovitch:There is nothing to agree to
sylvia herlein:50,8% is already a preference of LACRALO
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Yes, it is noted!
Evan Leibovitch:Next on the agenda: agreement that the earth revolves around the sun
CLO:we know the RALO preferences for AP an LAC
Carlton Samuels:@Evan..and if there is another idea, I will be the one to mumble "yet still it moves"...
CLO:and we will transmit names as soon as quorate ? or at the end of the 48 hrs??
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:48h
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:This is to make sure all votes are accounted for
Evan Leibovitch:Also consider that the ALAC Executive Coimmittee has also considered the names submitted and itself has come to other conclusions and other recommendations in the case of the LA and AP regions.
Sergio Salinas Porto:im out call me pleasse
Jean-Jacques:lost the line too
sylvia herlein:PLEASE SEND ME THE ENGLISH CHANNEL CODE
Evan Leibovitch:1638
Marilyn Vernon:1638#
Ron Sherwood:No telephone contact Bye evereyone.
sylvia herlein:TKS
Jean-Jacques:OCL, is the meeting still on? My line has been dropped.
Carlton Samuels:Somthing happening on Adigo!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:yes the meeting is still
Sandra Hoferichter:no voice?
Alan Greenberg::-)
Heidi Ullrich:apologies, everyone
Dave Kissoondoyal:Sorry i need to go
Dave Kissoondoyal:Bye to all
Sandra Hoferichter:back
Seth Greene:Yes, Jean-Jacques, it is still on.
Eduardo Diaz:I understand that ALAC has the final saying on who goes to the NomCom and other positions but if ALAC selects somebody different from what the RALO is suggesting is going to send a sour message back to those that voted in the region. Just for my curiosity: Has it happened before that ALAC selected a different person than the one preferred by the RALO?
Jean-Jacques:thanks Seth. I've asked Marilyn to have the operator call me again (5th time today)
sylvia herlein:agree with eduardo
Sergio Salinas Porto:agree fwhit eduardo too
Jean-Jacques:ah, got my ears back.
CLO:and @Edwrdo that is why when we do it and we have before we do so for good reason and not lightly considered
Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: Yes, ALAC has in fact done it before
Evan Leibovitch:The quick answer is: yes, that has happened in the past. That is why this is an ALAC appointment and not a RALO one.
Ron Sherwood:I asked the operator for a different trunk line, and she called back with a clear connection
Jean-Jacques:connection: same here, thanks.
Carlton Samuels:But just so we rememebr, ALAC consists of 5 'independent' members plus 10 'regional' appointments.
Carlton Samuels:the ALAC as a group is NOT bound to accept the ideas of any one region, member, or group
Eduardo Diaz:Then there is something broken in the process. The RALOs should just nominate their people and then send them to ALAC for its final selection. Otherwise, we are sending the wrong signal to the RALOs.
Alan Greenberg:I am not completely sure that the ALAC has rejected RALO preference. But there was a case where a RALO could not come to consensus on a selection and in that case, both names went to the ALAC for discussion. In that case, the RALO did present to the ALAC the pros and cons on the candidates to allow the ALAC members to make the decision.
Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: this IS the process! Just that some of our members are mistaken that a recommendation means an instruction!
Jean-Jacques:Carlton +1
Alan Greenberg:When I said the RALO could not come to aconsensus, I mean just that. There WAS a prefernce identified, but it was far from unanimous.
Sandra Hoferichter:droped again, but have to leave now anyway by by and hear you soon!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Jean-Jacques:Same here Tijani, although I'm in France.
Jean-Jacques:Tijani +1
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I note that LACRALO calls have had similiar problems with dropped communication with translation not hearing each other
Ron Sherwood:I am on a U.S. trunk line and the quality problems are the same
Eduardo Diaz:@Carlton : That is my point. RALOs are voting on something that at the end may or may no have any final consequence going forward.
Jean-Jacques:OCL, I suggest our Chair report to the Chair and CEO of ICANN that these connection problems are of particular concern to ALAC which, by its nature, is highly distributed geographically.
Carlton Samuels:@Alan re JAS Staff support: +1
Carlton Samuels:There was always a concern that JAS was destined to fail by some interests
Jean-Jacques:OCL, see my remark above please?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks Jean Jacques
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Let's make it an Actio Item
Evan Leibovitch:It's unfortunately that asking Kurt directly for additioonal staff support in Singapore did not succeed and this escalation was required. But I happy that eventually Rod came through.
Jean-Jacques:sure.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Matt -> please action Item for me to report to Chair & CEO of ICANN re: connection problems being of particular concern to ALAC whic, byits nature, is highly distributed geographically
Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: You're correct. And the way to avoid ths is to have a consensus BEFORE we report. However I now understand that the conccept of 'concensus' for LACRALO is a majority vote, no matter how fundamentally flawed the question we are answering!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:lol
Jean-Jacques:ALAC = At Large Amusement Conference ?
Evan Leibovitch:This medicine is niiiiice......
Ron Sherwood:We've been hacked
Jean-Jacques:This wiki is leaking...
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:LOL
Evan Leibovitch:So is Sophia
Heidi Ullrich:Sorry, everyone. Sophia had just picked a flower which I thought was very impressive!
Marilyn Vernon:awe :-)
Marilyn Vernon:we had fun listening in
Jean-Jacques:Heidi, joy!
Alan Greenberg:Flowers are important!
Seth Greene:Olivier, I believe Heidi will be back in full for the scheduling of the Dakar meetings.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Heidi Ullrich:yes, I will be back 1 Sept
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: as CLO says, SNAFU!
Carlton Samuels::D
Carlton Samuels:@OCL: My time on the Ex-Com call will be very short
CLO:were not dong ExCom straight after this but at 2000 UTC on your Thur
Matt Ashtiani:hi all, i have no idea why you cannot hear me so i will type my response regarding travel to dakar. in essence, i said that i expect CT to launch very shortly - within a week or so.
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Thanks, I migh've been looking at an old mail then
Jean-Jacques:where has he gone (former Chair) ?
Eduardo Diaz:Need to go. Bye every one.
Carlton Samuels:@JJS: Exec Chair of Mind + Machines
CLO:Minds and Machines CEO
Jean-Jacques:oh.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Have to go. Take care all
Matt Ashtiani:be safe dev!
CLO:This is the matter I was refering to in my AOB from ccNSO call
Gareth Shearman:I must leave the call
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Yes, I made the connection
Alan Greenberg:Not the only ex board member to loin board of registry organization.
Alan Greenberg:loin = join
Carlton Samuels:Gotta run now, see y'all
CLO:or 0233 in MY time zone
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, everyone!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks, Matt
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care all
Marilyn Vernon:Thanks All.
CLO:Bye
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