Zoom Chat: 2021-08-04 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

07:59:58 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Hello all, welcome!
08:00:04 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to the CPWG call on Wednesday 4 August at 13:00 UTC
08:00:10 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Hi All
08:00:32 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Hello everyone
08:00:49 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hi all
08:02:28 From alberto soto to Everyone:
Hello everyone!
08:02:41 From Adrian Schmidt to Everyone:
Good morning!!!
08:03:03 From Devan Reed - ICANN Org to Everyone:
RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
08:03:13 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Greetings all. Always Nice to join you.
08:03:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Morning/Afternoon/Evening all.
08:04:18 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
hi everyone.. greetings from India
08:04:52 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Good day, all!
08:04:59 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
hi Priyatosh,,,, greetings from Ecuador
08:05:10 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
good day dear Satish,,
08:05:37 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you
08:05:46 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Unchecked AIs are in progress - thank you Olivier
08:05:55 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Hola Arcos!
08:06:03 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I have done my action item
08:08:36 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Sorry to be late
08:09:33 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
did I lose audio
08:11:43 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Olivier, I will be leaving just before the hour, so would appreciate the two minutes I need for the Board Advice before that.
08:16:51 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
*1 Justine. The next step is for the Board to reply to the ALAC Advice, which is no longer up`for MSM discussion.
08:16:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Existing geo gTLDs or prospective geos?
08:17:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
A few of the existing ones are doing quite well but a few have failed to meet expectations.
08:17:50 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
@JZ is there any takeaways from ICANN71 session, which we would want to continue this time
08:19:04 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
I like that idea! Holistic review will get the juices flowing....
08:19:22 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
That's a good idea Holly
08:19:38 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
"Transfer Policy: An End-User Perspective"
08:19:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
I ran web usage surveys of all new gTLDs in July. The usage landscape varies considerably and geo gTLDs are probably better as a set than some of the generics.
08:19:52 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone:
Very relevant topic Holly
08:20:38 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone:
Given the fact at-large talk on behalf of the end users
08:21:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I have prepared a document with the issues
08:21:55 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@CW I could share it with you
08:22:23 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
The MSM suggestion was a follow-up to the last session
08:23:57 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
On the geo issue, I think that GoDaddy is supposed to be taking over some geo gTLDs as a result of a deal. I think that approval is needed on some.
08:24:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ the changed registry operator landscape?
08:25:09 From Devan Reed - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Sébastien is requesting the floor on audio
08:25:11 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
I believe that Joanna is planning to submit an ICANN plenary session proposal on the ABR she is leading on the topic of Protecting the Internet’s Unique Identifier System in an Age of Disinformation.
08:25:59 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ the emergence of GoDaddy as an RO is one of the biggest developments in recent years.
08:26:08 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Please refer to the ICANN71 Policy Outcomes Report for follow up/summaries regarding all At-Large and other SOAC sessions: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN71+Policy+Outcomes+Report
08:26:32 From A-Eduardo Diaz to Everyone:
What is a RO?
08:26:39 From Sivan to Everyone:
Good businesses have their interests aligned with that of the end users, but there are some who are not
08:26:41 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Just to clarify Hadia - Its not to pitch one against the other but discussing the diverse interest and finding aligning
08:26:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Registry Operator (operates multiple registries)
08:27:33 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - how would you frame that as a plenary suubject?
08:27:57 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It might be well beyond my diplomatic abilities. :)
08:28:32 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - surely there is a cleaner version...
08:28:33 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
@eduardo -- there is indeed a link
08:28:47 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
between MSM and holistic review
08:29:37 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Amrita
08:30:04 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Without a holistic review and readjustments the MSM might just falter
08:30:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly Well Donuts is the main player at the moment but GoDaddy is a far larger player than Google or Amazon. It also is one of the largest hosting/registrar operator. Google is good but nowhere as effective as GoDaddy when it comes to sales.
08:31:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - it may be a competition issue - but does that raise other issues?
08:31:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly the survival of standalone registries would be one interesting point.
08:32:21 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Sebastient is a man of many voices.
08:32:21 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - but should ICANN become a competition regulator?
08:32:39 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It wouldn't know where to start.
08:33:02 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John- maybe the issue is the survival of a country based nationally based registry?
08:33:19 From Sivan to Everyone:
@Holly ICANN does not need a new designation, it is *the* Coordinating body
08:33:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly the hosting/registry/registrars business is already seriously concentrated. Country based would be a different thing.
08:33:43 From Sivan to Everyone:
within its sphere is the task of 'facilitating' competition.
08:33:55 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
the issue of Godaddy having monopoly conditions on the Registrar market is one which is not likely to be taken up at ICANN
08:34:09 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - so is this too sensitive for the ccNSO?
08:34:16 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Sivan Which would be a good argument for ICANN staying out of the regulator aspect.
08:34:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly The ccTLDs are demolishing the gTLDs in their home markets.
08:35:13 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Not exactly 'staying out' but definitely a kind of 'keeping an eye
08:35:26 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
' on what goes on within this sphere
08:35:27 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
but rather the WTO & the country's regulator. But when the US Dept. Of Commerce was asked about this, the response was that the Registrar market is so small in the wider scheme of things, focussing on the GAFAs which are magnitudes larger than Registrars, makes sense.
08:35:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly many of the legacy gTLDs have gone to replacement/brand protection levels only.
08:35:44 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
The DNS market is just too small fry for governments - at least it seems to be at present
08:35:56 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - which is to say that the ccNSO probably would not want to talk about it? But isn’t that an issue of nations controlling their own cc
08:36:06 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva It should monitor the situation but the it is complex even for those of us who monitor it.
08:36:25 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@OCL the market may be relatively smaller compared to the size of enterprises in other segments, but this happens to be a market that is concerned with core identifiers
08:36:44 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Olivier The goverments have a vested interest in the success of their ccTLDs.
08:37:17 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - if they do then why is GoDaddy taking over?
08:37:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Ok thanks Johnathan
08:37:27 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John If the situation is complex, it is all the more reason why it needs to be observed, don't you think?
08:37:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly Some of the ccTLD regs don't understand their own market when it comes to the spread of TLDs in it.
08:37:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/x/TgEuCg
08:38:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly GoDaddy is both RO and sales. It is the largest operator in the market and has been buying up a lot of ccTLD registrars.
08:38:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John I don't think so.. Governments, some governments do care for their ccTLDs, but this doesn't imply that they would want to see the gTLD space ignored.
08:39:06 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - so the issue is when national control over critical infrastructure doesn’t include control over their cc
08:39:17 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
@John many ccTLD operators do a deal with GoDaddy to sell domains in their TLD so they don't see GoDaddy as a problem
08:39:20 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva I did an market concetration check on the gTLD market. At a registrar level, there appears to be a lot of competition. At a hosting brand level (multiple registrars) it is highly concentrated.
08:39:46 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
TAC=Transfer Authorization Code
08:40:15 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Olivier It is already active as a registrar in many of those ccTLD markets. Europe is amazingly concentrated in terms of hosting brands.
08:40:15 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@OCL GoDaddy wouldn't be a problem, as long as the Registries do business with GoDaddy for want of choice, or dwarfed by the might of GoDaddy
08:41:01 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@John, when you say the “hosting” market, you mean the RO market, yes, not the web hosting biz
08:41:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ the hosting/sales side of the TLDs rather than the registries.
08:41:29 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John what kind of cncentration at the hosting level?? Please expalin.
08:42:09 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Is there a link to your study report please?
08:42:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva There are approx. 1M hosters (grouped by nameservers) in COM/NET/ORG/BIZ/INFO/MOBI/ASIA. They reduce to about 4K hosting brands and that covers 95% or so of some TLDs.
08:42:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Or, could you email me a summary at 6.Internet@gmail.com ? It would be useful.
08:42:50 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
that is @John
08:43:14 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John that is a concern
08:43:19 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Will provide some stats.
08:43:25 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Such a degree of concentration is a definite concern
08:43:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Thank you John.. Will wait for it.
08:43:41 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
@Siva: I saw this coming several years ago when opposing Vertical Integration Registries/Registrars.
08:43:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva it is the illusion of competition in a very mature and concentrated market.
08:44:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@cw I was a participant at the Vertical Integration WG, but in a different context, it seemed to be a bad idea to restrict Registries from becoming Registrars and vice versa
08:45:15 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Even if that happened, the present situation might not have been any different.
08:45:46 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
The problem we have with the concentration situation has to be do with multiple factors
08:46:02 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
I don't think that registries as registrars worked out as the registries expected.
08:46:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Whatever competition is seen, is almost make-believe competition
08:46:26 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Alan and I have a small EPDP team call in 10 minutes
08:46:38 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
+1 Alan
08:46:53 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva There's competition at the low end of the domain name food chain but the top is highly concentrated.
08:47:18 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John, but Registrars as Registries has worked out. If Registries as Registrars happened hand in hand, there would be a balance
08:47:42 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(winking) Perhaps it is time to see a Regisry that is also a Registrar????
08:48:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Daniel - Agree with Alan and what really helps is the diagram we have already seen - showing what documentation is required at the different stages of the transfer - and by whom
08:48:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva The expectation was that the registries would benefit from being able to sell directly. (new gTLDs) The problem is that they were in much the same position as small registrars competing against massive players.
08:49:19 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
And interveners
08:49:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John a breakthrough could happen
08:49:40 From Berry Cobb to Everyone:
May I intervene on the process of the TPR?
08:50:01 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
@Siva registries are obliged by ICANN rules to treat all registrars equally - while the reverse is not true. We had this problem at PIR when we created Enset
08:50:10 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Even the whole new gTLD business model has changed. The main volume of new regs are in the ccTLDs and .COM
08:50:14 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
@Berry - yes, if you could please
08:51:21 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
We had to go through the deliberation - some statements are straight forward and they already taken as a requirements and industry practices
08:51:47 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks Danial
08:52:07 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
(sorry - Daniel)
08:52:12 From Sivan to Everyone:
You don't really need a working group to discuss the technical design of the auth code. Assign it to one technical executive and he or she would come up with a design with attention to various dimensions.
08:54:10 From Sivan to Everyone:
'specifically' designed to keep issues out of the table, out of the room ???
08:55:27 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Totally agree with @Sivan , I'm also quiet surprised to see a Policy group discussing some technical issue which will evolve by the time
08:55:42 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
I would rely on the At-Large team in each PDP to analyse, propose and highlight (only) the areas with end-user interest which requires our input. Though a general update is appreciated even if I can't say that I comprehending the update fully. Hope this makes sense.
08:56:00 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
( My name appears in abbreviated form, even after I changed it in the participant's list, apologies)
08:56:35 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(sorry that was from the phone where the name is still unchanged)
08:57:06 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(zoom auto-login name issue)
08:57:26 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Please bear with me for these off-topic mentions
08:57:35 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
+1 Berry I think that such group discuss is the process itself (holistically) and not some technical issues
08:58:33 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all I have to leave
08:58:50 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(that is my conception of anonymity to the maximum limits of my technical capabilities)
08:58:52 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
See: Google Doc of ALAC Advice: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J6VkbSOQ_3XL1ywVzSbACxhFAu5tzHyFIIOa3jfVvoo/edit
09:00:33 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@ALAN All this makes ICANN look weak, to make a strong comment
09:00:39 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Agree with the addition
09:01:04 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
+1 -- we are not here to waste our time.
09:01:36 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Alan's point relates to a number of issues we have touched on today.
09:01:36 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
go to the document now
09:01:40 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@alan All your time, all the time, has been very well spent, it has brought us this far.
09:10:30 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Just on that market concentration thing, the reseller market (non-registrar) for the main legacy gTLDs is approximately 23.76%.
09:11:55 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John That would be a serious concern
09:13:13 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
And, in some sense, even this percentage might be an under-estimation, given the fact that many of the Resellers under accredited registrars are not really as much subjected to the controls of the Regisrars
09:13:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Not really. The registry-registrar model used by ICANN was great for the 1990s. It just doesn't scale well for the current market. The ccTLDs are a major part now. Some ccTD registrars outsource their gTLd regs to registrations as a service operators.
09:14:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The registrars still handle the gTLD regs but they are hosted on the resellers' own nameservers/hoster.
09:14:35 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@ there are a multiplicity of issues in the Domain Registration process.
09:15:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The market changed,. The model didn't. The market innovated.
09:15:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John in a situation where there are numerous Registrars and Resellers, the dispersion of nameservers is a serious problem.
09:15:43 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
@D I will continue connected by the cell phone call
09:15:56 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Yep. I have to track them all. :)
09:16:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Registries could run nameservers together with four or five top registrars who are capable of inviesting (almost probono) in uncomprimising nameserver infrastructure
09:16:56 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
+ ICANN's escrow (kind of)
09:17:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva the DNS as a service operators (Cloudflare etc) would object.
09:18:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Operators confirming to rigid standards such as Cloudflare or Google would actually be a part of the soultuion --- they are not at all - NOT at ALL seen as contributing to the problem
09:19:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva A lot of registrars would object because the DNS traffic provides a lot of information for hosting purposes and for possible resale/auction of non-renewed names.
09:20:33 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John, I am the Registrant, I register the name of my choice, I thought of the name, how is it that the Reseller or Registrar claim an unspoken right over the name, and assume some sort of a ...
09:20:51 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
... privilege in the situation of resale / auction ?
09:21:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva the registrar argument is that once the domain name expires, the registrant's rights expire after tha grace periods.
09:22:00 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John How does an expired domain name confer rights on the Reseller or Registrar?
09:22:16 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Resale is a big business and about 9.71% of doms in .COM are on sale (approx. 15M)
09:22:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
An expired domain name should go back to the Registry pool. Isn't that fair?
09:22:46 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva That's the theory but it hasn't really worked in practice for decades.
09:22:51 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Requires plenty, plenty of attention
09:23:02 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
and a bit of power
09:23:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
ALAC could borrow a little for a while from those who have shared public interests
09:23:50 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(for a while)
09:23:57 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva It is unlikely to change in the short term.
09:24:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John 23 years have passed.
09:24:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
What is long term?
09:24:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
200 years?
09:25:13 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you, Hadia!
09:25:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva That's fast by ICANN terms. :) Seriously though, the market is too developed. Sales are a major component of most successful TLDs.
09:26:55 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John the transition need not be a jolting event, but rather a smooth one, there are multiple ways to cause the good Registrars to change course
09:27:05 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
This may not be a threat, but an opportunity
09:27:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Even if the doms are not moved to auction, the majority of registrars are drop catch registrars. Their only function is to reregister expiring/dropped domain names.
09:28:29 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John This is a form of a Intermediary problem, problem with the intermediaries of a sub-optimal standard
09:29:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
ICANN visualized Registries, Registrars, but did not foresee an extensive proliferation of domainer intermediaries.
09:30:09 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Premium value of some names are real, but it requires an altogether new process
09:30:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva It is the domain name industry. Without this whole process (auctions/sales/dropcatching) some TLDs would struggle. ICANN created a system for the 1990s. It hasn't evolved but the industry is very different from that of the 1990s.
09:30:32 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Hadia, thank you for your presentations, they were VERY useful.
09:31:10 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Thanks @Hadia.
09:31:11 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yikes. I think we SHOULD respond.
09:31:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John, we could freely conceptualize further and AFTER THAT, pay attention to and address the issue of the TLDs that are prone to be affected significantly during implementation.
09:31:44 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Already responded as an individual. Not sure how ALAC should respond.
09:31:55 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Response thus far is vey low
09:32:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva The problem with ICANN trying to conceptualise a system is that there will be many more people working on methods to exploit it. No matter how robust a system appears, there's almost always something that was overlooked.
09:33:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Gaming of the process?
09:33:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Without registry and registar buy-in, it won't work. ICANN could end up killing the golden goose.
09:34:10 From Holly Raiche to Devan Reed - ICANN Org(Direct Message):
Hi Devan - I have to levave the call - will catch up later - so no need to call me back now.
09:34:28 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John What do you mean by the egg from the 'Golden goose'?
09:34:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
25 cents per domain?
09:34:53 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva the gTLDs. There is massive competition from the ccTLDs that wasn't there in the 1990s.
09:35:55 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
So we are unable to participate as we cannot skip questions. That's a whole other issue
09:36:01 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Is it because of the perceived ills of the gTLD registration processes? Is it because whatever gTLD domain name that a Registrant wishes to register seems to be taken already?
09:36:13 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Question: What is a grouped ALS?
09:36:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
that he or she goes to the ccTLD? (apart from geographical requirments in some cases to register a business with a ccTLD name)
09:36:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva The "all the good names are taken" thing really doesn't exist as a valid argument.
09:36:47 From alberto soto to Everyone:
Dear, I have another meeting, greetings!
09:37:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva The high value, short, one domain names are often taken.
09:37:08 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John I may be wrong.. I can't possibly assert this
09:37:18 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(that is the argument that the names are taken)
09:37:36 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
This is part of an ODP -- so they are trying to assess number or requests and costs.
09:37:47 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John high value short names always taken as you say --- but by who?
09:37:52 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
whois?
09:37:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva There's approx. 30K high value doms that tend to get registered across most TLDs.
09:38:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva People who are willing to pay for keywords like insurance, poker etc
09:38:23 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone:
@Amrita, I think grouped ALSes could be the RALOs
09:38:29 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
But those are important considerations :(
09:38:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Is there a dictionary of high value domain names that any one has compiled and is available to be shared with me secretly?
09:38:51 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes, Justine
09:39:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva You are about 20 years too late. They are almost all taken. :)
09:39:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
I am not sure the different differentiation would get any substantially different responses.
09:39:35 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
+1 Olivier
09:39:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John names like insurance for example -- the value is real, apart from paying attention to the premium revenue, the considerations that have to go hand in hand is who gets insurance.TLD.
09:39:39 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
+1 Olivier, that's why I thought the way the survey is structured is "skewed"
09:39:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Have a cross-TLD process running at the moment that is counting the domain names regged across TLDs. It could generate a dictionary.
09:40:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Legacy TLDs are 20 years old, some new gTLDs are a few years old, some are yet to be on stream.
09:40:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
There is always hope
09:40:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
That wasn’t our argument. We said it wasn’t going to justify its cost and we could create a simple ticketing system at a much lower cost
09:40:45 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva the process is checking all gTLDs and a few ccTLDs.
09:41:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva without web usage and development, the high value doms in the new gTLDs are nearly worthless.
09:41:20 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Thanks for clarifying @JZ. Yes, now I remember who it went
09:41:25 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
For end-users, at this cost it is merely "WHOIS theatre".
09:41:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@ John agree with you on the importance of web
09:41:56 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The value of these premium doms is linked to the rate of web usage and development of the TLD.
09:42:38 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all bye for now
09:44:49 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Yrjo, who was speaking for the BC?
09:45:22 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Yrjo Where the name in question is an IGO name with reasonable certainity, why not reverse the process of onus of proof-- perhaps by an interim directive to suspend the domain name giving the benefit of doubt to the IGO and then continue in the judidicial process?
09:45:50 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
... provisionally according the benefit of doubt to the IGO....
09:46:52 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
See Draft ALAC Statement on second page of Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIEPkUXmtoHU-WzfqvR7Lv8o56kvKDHXf0tTobE5Ic4/edit?usp=sharing
09:48:44 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Most welcome Steinar, thank you and the reps for your coordination on the statement.
09:51:52 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Okay, thanks Olivier. That was my qiestion
09:52:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Apologies, I need to leave early
09:53:03 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
no objection from me
09:53:10 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
none
09:53:52 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
The ALAC Chair is aware, we will coordinate on next steps. Thank you all
09:54:04 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN72 Mentor) to Everyone:
Sounds good.
09:54:12 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone:
thank you
09:54:52 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
I guess we just lost the 1/2 hour we gained last week
09:55:07 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Thanks a lot all
09:55:19 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN72 Mentor) to Everyone:
Stay well and safe!
09:55:21 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Thanks to Evin for her assistance
09:55:25 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Thanks and bye to all
09:55:27 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Take care all… stay safe and be kind.
09:55:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks and later all.
09:55:39 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
bye all
09:55:40 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Bye. Stay safe!
09:55:48 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
bye all - thanks!
09:55:57 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Bye