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Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Monthly ALAC call on Tuesday 28 January 2014 at 1500 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/RwCuAg
Murray McKercher:Good Morning from chilly Toronto
Maureen Hilyard:Good morning from very warm Rarotonga, even at 5am
Murray McKercher:Gisella, if you could arraneg a call out to my mobile phone, I find it better than the AC audio 416.803.3183
Peter Knight:I'm aboard. Entered as Guest. Forgot username and password recorded, but not clear: How can I reestablish
Gisella Gruber-White:Peter - you are correct in entering as guest
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hi Ron...
Peter Knight:OK. I'm writing a book on the Internet in Brazil: Origins, Development, Strategy and Governance with a preface by Vint Cerf. Hope it will be useful for participants in Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance in São Paulo 23/24 April
Hadja:Hello everyone, this is a warm greeting from Burkina Faso, West Africa
Oksana Prykhodko:Hi everybody!
Leon Sanchez:Hello everybody
Eduardo Diaz:¡Saludos a Todos!
Fatima Cambronero:hello everybody
Aída Noblia:Por favor se cortó la llamada . Me pueden llamar al (598)29023380 o al (598)98456389? Gracias
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Aida - yes noted thank you
Siranush Vardanyan:hello, everyone
Aída Noblia:Hello everbody
Aída Noblia:Tanks Gisella
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Hello all
Holly Raiche:Hi Evan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi Julie did you have a good Aus Day w'end?
Fatima Cambronero:I don't have audio in the Spanish channel
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Fatima - no Spanish interpretation?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Certainly re: collection of AIs
Leon Sanchez:I have audio now in the spanish channel
Alberto Soto:Hi Gisella, please give me a call at 54 11 4636 0954? I do not have audio in Adobe. Thanks!!
Gisella Gruber-White:@ ALberto - we will call you
Gisella Gruber-White:Sandra Hoferichter has joined the AC
Gisella Gruber-White:Jordi Iparraguirre has joined the AC room
Jordi Iparraguirre:Hi everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Heidi /Alan happy to be added to that WG it fits with other WG activities. just let me know and get me added to the lists
sandra hoferichter:Is there no audio bridge today in the AC room?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes I'm using it
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The AC audio is working
sandra hoferichter:okay I will try to log off/in again.
Roberto:I see nowhere in the reports page https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large%20Reports%20from%20WGs,%20RALOs%20and%20Liaisons the due report from BCEC about the slate of candidates - or am I misreading something?
Evan Leibovitch:Here too. BTW, still need to use my tablet to get into AC
sandra hoferichter:now the audio works for me as well.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:same here @Evan only the mobile app works. now for me..
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Sandra pew
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:pew
Gisella Gruber-White:We have an issue with the French interpretation channel. I will confirm once sorted.
Peter Knight:Yes, Capital Area Globetrotters, I am representing us in this call
Heidi Ullrich:Apoligies, I was looking at the December agenda! :(
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:phew dam auto correct
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Welcome Peter :-)
Peter Knight:Thanks, Cheryl ;-)
Peter Knight:Last with you F2F in Toronto '46
Pierre Dovonou (Bénin):Hi All
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes @Peter good to have the new ALSes here at these calls aa well
Evan Leibovitch:I have a question about newly approved ALS participation in ATLAS II. Do I ask now or in the ATLAS report?
Pierre Dovonou (Bénin):i am not hearing anything on my tel
Murray McKercher:@ all If I can assist with the Kenyan ALS outreach please plug me in as I do have conacts in Nairobi...murray
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Tijani makes a Very Important Point ALA
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Evan - ask now please
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ALAC Needs to be flexible on these points IMO
Eduardo Diaz:ISOC Global has a program to pay individual ISOC Chapters to help them in covering the cost of hosting their pages
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Domain Name issues like this plague many groups
Garth Bruen:@Olivier and Staff: Missing action item/Agenda, re: Compliance investigations
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Cheryl
Garth Bruen:@Tijani, agree in principle
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Pierre - on te rappelle
Gisella Gruber-White:Hadja is back and French interpretation is working
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: I emailed you about this
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:the AI was on the ALT call
Murray McKercher:@Alan G, I agree with your comments, however, as I feel Kenya is a very important part of the African ecosystem and a hot bed for internet development in Nairobi, we should continue our outreach
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Gisella - thanks!
Heidi Ullrich:@Evan, please send staff a note regarding which ALSes
Heidi Ullrich:Matt has been asked to send the survey to all new ALSes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Murray. agree totalyy but also this is why local info/ input from Regional leaders (as @Tijiani just did) is essential to have and consider
Garth Bruen:HETS in particular was having technical problems with the survey
Peter Knight:I want to verify that Capital Area Globetrotters' Rep, Judith Hellerstein, is authorized to travel to ATLAS.
Eduardo Diaz:ISOC Kenya is listed as a chapter in the ISOC web page so they do exists: http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/where-we-work/chapters/kenya-chapter
Garth Bruen:@Olivier, the compliance issue was submitted to EXCOM by me, I have completed all the additional work requested of me, it should be on the agenda.
Heidi Ullrich:WG reports: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large%20Reports%20from%20WGs,%20RALOs%20and%20Liaisons
Heidi Ullrich:GNSO liaison report: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/GNSO+Liaison+Reports
Gisella Gruber-White:@ ALL - please mute your computer speakers if using the AC
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Julie - I have muted your microphone
Heidi Ullrich:ccNSO liaison report: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ccNSO+Liaison+Reports
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:is the vote for accreditation not already going just extended. and id so when it is quorate and if affirmative to accredit surely the ALS can then be finalised and welcomed ... Especially based on whay @Tijani and @Evan as well as others have said, if not quotaye or affirmative to accredit vote then that is another matter re Kenya ISOC IMO
Holly Raiche:Not sure what is happening but at regular intervals there is loud interference
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:someone is not muted @holly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:very loud if your using hradset as I am almost deafening
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:it is IN her formal report on the wiki
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Cheryl - some ALAC members have said they wish to change their vote, thus the vote is unsettled at the moment and I'd rather suspecnd it rather than risk a rejection of the application
Gisella Gruber-White:@ All - I have muted Julie again as her mic was causing interference
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:oh dear new mic time for @Julie perhaps
Julie Hammer:Hi Gisella, don't think it was me. Absolutely no noise at my end!
Maureen Hilyard:Thank you Tijani
Gisella Gruber-White:Sorry Julie - just saw your microphone come up!
Julie Hammer:I was getting ready to give my report!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@ Julie was muted by staff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:LOUD and bit buzz
Heidi Ullrich:SSAC report: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/SSAC+Liaison+Reports
Holly Raiche:VERY loud and I think the problem was her mic
Heidi Ullrich:Apologies to those on the ES and FR. They found Julie hard to interpret.
Heidi Ullrich:dotMobi report page: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports
Julie Hammer:Sorry...maybe my mic is malfunctioning.
Heidi Ullrich:Policy Advice Workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Policy+Development+Page
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:It is there on the wiki : https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Review+of+Trusted+Community+Representation+in+Root+Zone+DNSSEC+Key+Signing+Ceremonies+Workspace
Alan Greenberg:Suggested Spec 13 Statement: The ALAC has no input on the details of Specification 13, but wishes to go on record as objecting to the creation of a new category of gTLD at this point, when earlier decisions were made to not have categories of TLDs supporting community, geographic and other similar classes of gTLDs.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43986993
Alan Greenberg:Seconded
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:yes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:At-Large Proposal for a Specification 13 to the ICANN Registry Agreement to Contractually Reflect Certain Limited Aspects of ".Brand" New gTLDs Workspace : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43986993
Heidi Ullrich:Only ALAC members are to vote
Hadja:Ok for me
Evan Leibovitch:I have also put a link to the comment in the ALAC skype
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Haja voted yes as well
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:12
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:by my count
Ron Sherwood:Unfortunately I must leave the meeting now. Goodby all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye Ron
Maureen Hilyard:bye Ron I will be in touch
Carlton Samuels:Hiya all
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Olivier - question from Antonio Medina Gomez please
Holly Raiche:Welcome Carlton
Carlton Samuels:PPSAI is done
Holly Raiche:@ Carlton - how did it go - have we agred on the questions finally?
Alan Greenberg:Fatima is incorrectly listed in participants as not being ALAC.
Heidi Ullrich:ALAC ROP Revision Motion: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+ROP+Revision+Motion+-+28+January+2014
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Alan - this has been corrected thank you!
Fatima Cambronero:@Alan, I am ALAC member by LACRALO
Evan Leibovitch:So there is still an open motion waiting for a seconder...
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Fatima - apology - this has been corrected
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Gisella
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Olivier - Antonio is back
Evan Leibovitch:Happy to re-move it.
Carlton Samuels:No audio on A/C for me. Was the same on PPSAI
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Carlton - please reconnect - some members had the same issue when joining
Gisella Gruber-White:We DO have audio
Carlton Samuels:I'm in via Skype on the US TF number
Carlton Samuels:Thanks Gisella
Alan Greenberg:The two new rules will be inserted in 19.10 (19.10.4 will become 19.10.6 and the two new section 19.10.4 and 19.10.5)
Alan Greenberg:Due to the shifting, I would suggest we not put the numbers in the motion.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks @Alan that is clear
Garth Bruen:@Tijani, even dead people can vote in the U.S. ;-)
Fatima Cambronero:@Garth, also in Argentina :)
Oksana Prykhodko:ALAC member as a candidate for Board, for example
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:with Tijani's points noted. please just take the vote he and others can abstain or not as others can
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Alan would the two rules work as 19.10.5 and 19.10.6 , thereby not requring to change numbering ?
Roberto:Dead people - is that what they call "the silent majority"?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:it still needs to be done now or later why not now
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:LOL @Roberto
Garth Bruen:@Fatima, los muertos viven en el tango (y las elecciones)
Fatima Cambronero:@Garth, exacto, mucho en el tango ;)
Holly Raiche:My call has just dropped out. Could someone redial - thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:acan you boys on the motion here @Holly?
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Holly - dialling you back
Hadja:Abstention for me please
Carlton Samuels:Might I hear Tijani's concerns?
Carlton Samuels:I'm sorry if I catch the tailend
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:he has spoken at length here (earlier) and in BA @Carlton
Alan Greenberg:He already gave them a few minutes ago. Does not disagree in substance but feels timing is inappropriate. And probably not needed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:perhaps a pvt chat will do to brief you...
Garth Bruen:@Oliveir , want one quick comment on Accassability
Carlton Samuels:Thanks Alan and CLO. WIll contact Tijani directly
Heidi Ullrich:Background on Accessibility WG: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Proposal+for+Establishment+of+an+At-Large+ICANN+Accessibility+Working+Group
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Yes Garth -- you'll speak immediately after Chris
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Alan, can you please send me the voted motion
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:why not just type it @Garth we can note your points that way as well
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I have to include it in the BMSPC references
Fatima Cambronero:@Tijani, I think this is the link https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+ROP+Revision+Motion+-+28+January+2014
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks Chris nicely reviewed
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Thank you Fatima
Fatima Cambronero:you're welcome
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:we a
Oksana Prykhodko:who can participate in this group&
Oksana Prykhodko:?
Gisella Gruber-White:Cheryl is only on AC
Alan Greenberg:@Tijani - sent
Maureen Hilyard:This is a great initiative - APRALO is also pushing for more involvement of people with disabiilities in the Singapore meeting
Leon Sanchez:I also think this is a great initiative
Siranush Vardanyan:yes, Maureen, just was typing that:) at this stage we are contacting some disability groups to identify their interest to participate in Sinapore meeting and we aimed only on local organization, as we do not have funds to bring people from other places
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:it is all about Accessibility
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@ Sala ww will add your name to the WG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup first calldoodle ready ro go out
Oksana Prykhodko:Great initiative! Can I participate in this WG?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:happy to act in org role I
Garth Bruen:@Oksana, how are you holding up in the Ukraine?
chris mondini:many thanks to the group. i look forward to supporting
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks Chris. we will. talk to you soon then and of course having Peter Major on board as well is very nice
Heidi Ullrich:Congratulations on the establishment of this WG!
Oksana Prykhodko:@ Garth revolutionery!
Heidi Ullrich:Singapore: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43985498
Siranush Vardanyan:I just would like to bring to the attention of all RALO chairs, that we have a request for funding from APRALO member to come to Singapore and who is also a member of this accesibility group, so if there are people who are funded by ICANN to come to Singapore, and are not able to join and no substitute people there (not a reality I know:), but just wanted to inform if there are such situation, just let staff or myself know about this. Thanks
Siranush Vardanyan:so, Heidi, is this final - Gala on Monday?
Garth Bruen:@Oksana, be safe!
Heidi Ullrich:For Singapore, we are still waiting to confirm whether AFRALO would like a meeting in addition to the AFRALO/AfriCANN.
Heidi Ullrich:Also, we will be sending the notices regarding questions for certain meetings
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Oksana do take care
Heidi Ullrich:@Siranush, I believe it is.
Eduardo Diaz:@Heidi: Are the agendas for the Singapore meetings set or can they be changed?
Siranush Vardanyan:thanks, Heidi
Garth Bruen:@Holly, No comments, in interest of time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:APRALO Showcase for Wed is fine for us we can work with that...
Heidi Ullrich:Monday: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43985506
Siranush Vardanyan:yes, of course we can work with having Showcase on wed
Silvia Vivanco:Great, thank you APRALO, its a matter of moving the day. I will ammend the wiki accordingly
Maureen Hilyard:The Showcase could develop into a second GALA event :)
Silvia Vivanco:@ Maureen you got it!
Siranush Vardanyan:Yes, Maureen:)
Heidi Ullrich:Agendas for Singapore are requested!
Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS II Workspace: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=39420675
Oksana Prykhodko:@Garth @Cheryl Thank you very much!
Fatima Cambronero:Mentoring Program https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ATLAS+II+Mentoring+Program+Organizing+Committee
Eduardo Diaz:Mentoring Draft Docuemnt is here: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Draft+Mentoring+Program+ATLAS+II
Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: Very Welcome
Heidi Ullrich:BCEC WG: https://community.icann.org/display/ABMS/Board+Candidate+Evaluation+Committee+%28BCEC%29+2014
Garth Bruen:On item 11 - having to join another call at the hour, I yeild my time. Will put all comments in CHAT and continue monitoring.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth - ok
Carlton Samuels:Congrats to the BCEC. Job well done.
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1
Tijani BEN JEMAA:dropped
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Tijani - dialling you back
Gisella Gruber-White:Tijani is back
Fatima Cambronero:where is the list of candidates?
Heidi Ullrich:@Tijani. Staff will do so today
Heidi Ullrich:it was to be announced to the ALAC first
Siranush Vardanyan:sorry, need to leave now, thank you all and bye
Fatima Cambronero:bye Sira
Siranush Vardanyan:bye, Fati
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thank @Suranush
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Siranush
Maureen Hilyard:Will be in touch Siranush
Roberto:@Evan thanks I owe you a beer
Heidi Ullrich:We will add the AI. However, staff are aware of what needs to be done, so no AIs are needed.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thank Heidi!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Yes this is all part of following the Board candidate selection process and so on and so forth and this is ongoing
Fatima Cambronero:@Gisella my call is dropped
Heidi Ullrich:@Fatima, Adigo is dialing you
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Heidi, I am in again
Heidi Ullrich:Two minutes of interpretatuin remaining
Gisella Gruber-White:French interpreters have left.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The filing of the objections was the culmination of the process by which the ALAC could file objections to a new gTLD application (https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31178691/alac-facts-objection-final.pdf).
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The gTLD Review Group (https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) facilitated the objection process within At-Large.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The new gTLD Dashboard at http://bit.ly/newgtld has the archive of the comments received by the gTLD Review Group, the objection statements considered by the RALO and ALAC and a record of the RALO advice and the ALAC's consideration of the RALO's advice.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The ICC decisions : http://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/drsp/17jan14/determination-1-1-1684-6394-en.pdf ; http://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/drsp/17jan14/determination-1-1-1489-82287-en.pdf
Evan Leibovitch:http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/2014q1/009931.html
Gisella Gruber-White:@ ALL - Spanish interpreters will continue
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Gisella
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/odr/determination has a list of the objections deterrmination
Evan Leibovitch:Olivier, I don't think that there is any demand for a reconsideration request
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:some people have emailed me to ask whether this could be possible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes focus on lessons learned and improvement possible through the debrief
Evan Leibovitch:Is there a reason those requests are private to you?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:CROPP RT proposals : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/CROPP+RT+Resources
Evan Leibovitch:This needs to be transparent
Carlton Samuels:Good idea to let it go. Keen reading of the decisions will show a documentary and process analysis hard to discount. The ALAC is without a pot in this one. Let it rest.
sandra hoferichter:Sorry I have to leave now, bye!
Heidi Ullrich:Bye!
Oksana Prykhodko:@Dev Is it necessary to say OK for each application or is it enough not to object?
Heidi Ullrich:APRALO discussed it on their call earlier today and EURALO will in their call today
Evan Leibovitch:+1 Carlton
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed, the lessons to be learned are for future gTLD rounds and what role should ALAC play in objections
Peter Knight:What about Vint Cerf's Panel and its report?
Peter Knight:Vint and several other Strategy Panels are making inpus
Peter Knight:Excellent webinars -- you can see the video archive and chat record
Fatima Cambronero:Vint's Panel Webinar http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-06jan14-en.htm
Oksana Prykhodko:we just translated Vint even unpublished article into Russian
Peter Knight:Excellent, Oksana!
Garth Bruen:This, of course concerns a broad number of issues, but specifically the case of “rapetube[dot]org” a site which sells sexual assault materials and also has false WHOIS. ICANN Compliance declared that “the registrar validated this record as correct” but this is impossible. Compliance refused to discuss the matter further. The issue was brought to Fadi in a formal letter. Fadi promised the ALAC Chair (before Toronto) to respond to this with a written investigation but this never happened. Fadi was specifically advised of the “rapetube” situation. The issue has been validated by an independent investigation by the Washington Post. Reporters at the WAPOST China office contacted the registrar involved who claimed they never heard from ICANN on this, which contradicts ICANN’s stated record. Cleary this is a messy situation which needs to be cleared up.
Peter Knight:Can you get this to Yuri Hohlov and Tatiana Ershova?
Heidi Ullrich:11. Update on Compliance Issue - Garth Bruen and Evan Leibovitch (5 minutes)See ALT Action Item: Garth Bruen, Evan L x eibovitch, and Alan Greenberg are to work on the issue of the submission, documentation, handling and findings of Compliance investigations They are to develop a draft Statement and present it to the ALAC on the next ALAC call.
Garth Bruen:Original letter to Fadi, with report: http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/bruen-to-chehade-22apr13-en.pdf
Oksana Prykhodko:@Peter Could you please give their contacts?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Oksana - the review from the CROPP RT is more of a consensus agreement (ie no disagreement) since the RALO trip proposal has to be detailed
Peter Knight:OK
Garth Bruen:WAPOST Article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/how-violent-porn-sites-manage-to-hide-information-that-should-be-public/2013/12/06/e0861378-3773-11e3-ae46-e4248e75c8ea_story.html
Oksana Prykhodko:@ Dev Thank you
Garth Bruen:As originally sent to ALAC Chair: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+Monthly+reports+2013
Garth Bruen:This, of course concerns a broad number of issues, but specifically the case of “rapetube[dot]org” a site which sells sexual assault materials and also has false WHOIS. ICANN Compliance declared that “the registrar validated this record as correct” but this is impossible. Compliance refused to discuss the matter further. The issue was brought to Fadi in a formal letter. Fadi promised the ALAC Chair (before Toronto) to respond to this with a written investigation but this never happened. Fadi was specifically advised of the “rapetube” situation. The issue has been validated by an independent investigation by the Washington Post. Reporters at the WAPOST China office contacted the registrar involved who claimed they never heard from ICANN on this, which contradicts ICANN’s stated record. Cleary this is a messy situation which needs to be cleared up.
Leon Sanchez:I have to leave the call now
Leon Sanchez:thank you all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye
Garth Bruen:@Alan, this is an inherent problem with ICANN. Poor data management.
Peter Knight:@oksana yuri.hohlov@iis.ru, hohlov@gmail.com, see www.iis..ru. Ershova is General Director, Yuri is Chairman of the Board. They were both involved in early days of Internet in Russia, academic side
Oksana Prykhodko:@Peter thank you!
Oksana Prykhodko:at some circumstances proxy is the question of freedom(
Garth Bruen:In addition to "rapetube" this false service protects illicit drug trafficking, malware, phishing, etc...
Evan Leibovitch:+1 with Olivier. We MUST depersonalize this.
Garth Bruen:There is a complete disconnect between what compliance tells us and what the registrar claims.
Garth Bruen:The facts do not match
Alan Greenberg:Garth, agreed 100%
Garth Bruen:The overall inability to deal with, explain this, or handle mass complaints violates the AOC
Garth Bruen:Thank you all!
Alan Greenberg:Garth, no question. The trick is to do it in a sustainable way.
Roberto:Sorry, I have to leave now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NP
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I assume ALAC will also send a written Vote Of Thanks to Avri?
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Cheryl
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:yes Cheryl
Carlton Samuels:I have to drop off. Need to put food on the table..
Carlton Samuels:Bye all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks @OCL
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye. thanks. all
Murray McKercher:@OCL, Thanks for the long call, but excellent content
Oksana Prykhodko:Thank you, bye
Maureen Hilyard:Thank you Olivier
Eduardo Diaz:adios
Evan Leibovitch:Bye!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks everyone ; take care all
Aída Noblia:Bye all !
Fatima Cambronero:thanks Olivier and everyone, bye
Hadja:Bye All