Zoom chat: 2020-06-01 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

12:54:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
12:55:43 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the ALS Mobilization Working Party Call
12:56:56 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : hello everyone!
12:57:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi
12:58:55 From Judith Hellerstein : hi all
13:01:37 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
13:09:08 From David Mackey : It would be nice to automate this part of the process.
13:09:17 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks for letting us know, Sarah.
13:09:37 From Heidi Ullrich : Apologies for any inconvenience. Please could you send a note to At-large staff to action?
13:10:31 From David Mackey : Mark Final. Agreed.
13:12:46 From Sarah Kiden : @Heidi, I’ll send an email shortly after the call
13:13:31 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Please scroll back so that the entire #3 can be seen
13:13:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : No harm in them being separate points
13:14:54 From Maureen Hilyard : I think they are OK being separate - they do discuss two issues
13:15:01 From Alperen Eken : The link for the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jPI9qQ0_h3B04iEAarmbcm_0NZM9LcctyyQC3ACS7LQ/edit?usp=sharing
13:15:10 From Sarah Kiden : I think we shouldn’t specifically mention Google docs. Just saying tool is enough
13:15:16 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 Maureen
13:15:24 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 Sarah
13:15:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I agree Sarah
13:15:29 From Ali AlMeshal : i am fine the it as is
13:15:34 From Roberto : +1 Sarah
13:15:52 From Barrack Otieno : I agree with Sarah
13:16:09 From Barrack Otieno : We should not prescribe
13:18:02 From Roberto : @Alan It is not wordsmithing, the concern is that if we mention one tool we give the impression of endorsing it over other tools by competitors
13:18:36 From Judith Hellerstein : hi Roberto I understand
13:18:58 From Barrack Otieno : The period between monthly meetings i propose
13:19:02 From Judith Hellerstein : i think it is 2-3 weeks
13:19:10 From Barrack Otieno : 4 Weeks
13:19:11 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : 10-20 days maybe
13:20:03 From Ali AlMeshal : 2 weeks is enough
13:20:17 From Heidi Ullrich : If that period falls during an ICANN meeting, will the clock stop?
13:20:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : No More than 30 days
13:20:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I always prefer Days over Weeks in these things
13:21:41 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : 4 weeks business
13:21:50 From Nadira Al Araj : one month
13:22:01 From Barrack Otieno : I agree with 30 days (Monthly cycle) - Days are better for project planning
13:23:22 From Judith Hellerstein : yes Barack that makes sense
13:24:02 From Sarah Kiden : Agree Barrack
13:24:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Stop Counting time in ICANN Meetings seems OK
13:24:07 From Roberto : +1 for days
13:25:45 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 agree Barrack
13:27:02 From Nadira Al Araj : Why not always to ask for rational
13:28:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Because it is ALAC that formally votes on the accreditation
13:28:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : RALO's get to be included
13:28:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the rules say ALAC consuts with the RALOs
13:28:39 From Eduardo Díaz - NARALO : RALOS do not make a decision they provide a recommendation to ALAC
13:28:57 From David Mackey : +1 Eduardo
13:29:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Both Alan
13:29:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactl ED
13:29:33 From Heidi Ullrich : Bylaws: ALAC, with the advice and participation of the RALO where the applicant is based, shall be responsible for certifying organizations as meeting the criteria and standards for At-Large Structure accreditation.
13:30:49 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : RALO will give advice (yes , no) and must participate also on the decision
13:30:50 From Judith Hellerstein : is it a hold period or a probation
13:31:18 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : agree @Abdekdjalil
13:31:28 From Sarah Kiden : @Judith I think it is a hold
13:33:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : These are ICANN Bylaws that ALAC RoP's comply with
13:33:53 From David Mackey : I don’t think we need to open up a by-law discussion. There is a shared responsibility between ALAC and RALO to do the due diligence on a new ALS. The by-law designates the ALAC as the decision maker, but the RALO is a partner in the process … the process that we are reviewing now.
13:34:42 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : we can also need to document the different scenarios/cases of rejection of accreditation by ALAC
13:35:09 From Maureen Hilyard : @David I agree
13:35:30 From Sarah Kiden : +1 David
13:35:41 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : as ALAC is the umbrella of all RALOs
13:37:44 From Judith Hellerstein : I think that i am not for observing. I can see a probation period but not putting a group on hold
13:38:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I agree David!
13:39:02 From Roberto : @Alan +1
13:39:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly @Alan!
13:39:37 From Roberto : Not surprisingly, those who have lived history agree
13:39:39 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Alan +1
13:40:47 From Maureen Hilyard : *Roberto... very true :)
13:41:28 From David Mackey : “The structure of At-Large is confusing to everybody” LOL Thanks for the frank observation Alan. :-)
13:41:52 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : -))))
13:41:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : In the beginning there was ALAC and ALSes
13:42:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : RALO's were a convenience added later
13:42:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : LONG after the ALSes
13:43:00 From Roberto : Then came the unaffiliated individuals
13:43:04 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Interesting story Cheryl... Need to come back to project History of ALAC, already asked to write it Wolfgang...-)
13:43:27 From Roberto : Who as individuals were there since the beginning, but that’s another story
13:44:34 From Judith Hellerstein : i agree with Alan here
13:44:41 From David Mackey : +1 Filina re: History of ALAC
13:45:14 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thanks David, almost ready it is. Need to complete
13:46:41 From David Mackey : History is an important part of culture. It’s important to understand and acknowledge our culture. :-)
13:48:03 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 David
13:48:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The Founding ALSes ICANN Accredited ALSes most of who where accredited by the ALAC or Interim ALAC <@Roberto can you confirm?> in each Region formed into the original RALOs and executed each MOU and YES earlier still it was all just At-Large as Individuals;-) after the concept was born out of interest and discussion from the single entity Domain Name Support Organisation after an earlier mailing list/ discussion group this DNSO later was replaced by GNSO and ccNSO etc.,
13:48:18 From Judith Hellerstein : Ithought all big pulse votes were anonymous
13:48:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and Yes @David there are also some excellent ICANN History resources available
13:48:36 From Nadira Al Araj : It is better to keep everything open
13:49:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct @Alan there is that history
13:49:20 From David Mackey : @Cheryl, yes, I’ve been reading/viewing those resources as I have time :-)
13:49:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent @David :-)
13:50:07 From Nadira Al Araj : No need for confidentiality for votes at ALAC level
13:51:38 From Nadira Al Araj : I think there must be standards
13:51:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Open is always the default in ALAC At-Large but this allows for issues to be met
13:52:07 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 I agree Alan
13:52:16 From Roberto : +1 Alan
13:52:24 From Ali AlMeshal : +1 Agree Alan
13:52:30 From Sarah Kiden : Agree
13:54:02 From Heidi Ullrich : ALAC ROPs: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Rules+of+Procedure
13:56:02 From Maureen Hilyard : can you move the page up please
13:58:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : No reasn why not it is a section
13:59:09 From David Mackey : good, thanks
13:59:12 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you everyone!
13:59:16 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 david
13:59:21 From Judith Hellerstein : when we make a clean version will it have the changes accepted
13:59:30 From Ali AlMeshal : thanks to all
13:59:31 From David Mackey : Bye All
13:59:36 From Maureen Hilyard : Thanks all
13:59:38 From Roberto : Bye