Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the MADT call on Tuesday 04 September 2012 at 1800 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/IoMoAg
Maureen:Hi Gisella.. you are as clear as a bell, but I have just sent you a screen dump of the message I am still getting about verifying my hard drive... can't access the audio.. so its my side but not sure what the problem is
Maureen:will need a dial up please
Gisella Gruber-White:Please send me through your number and we will dial-out to you. Sorry you are having these issues - do you have tech support you could ask?
Eduardo Diaz:Saludos a todos.
Eduardo Diaz:thanks
Eduardo Diaz:I can hear you thur the AC put will connect thru the bridge
Rudi Vansnick:hello everybody, i'm connected to the adobe audio
sergio salinas porto:hi everyone!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all
Yrjö Länsipuro:Hello
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello, Maureen, what's the message you are getting? you can email it to admin@ttcsweb.org
Tijani BEN JEMAA:hi gisella
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I'm on the bridge
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/IoMoAg
Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome Sergio!
sergio salinas porto:Thanks Gisella!
Silvia Vivanco:Matt will take the minutes for the first 45 min and then I will take over
Gisella Gruber-White:ROP Template: https://community.icann.org/x/H4AoAg
Matt Ashtiani:no problem, alan :-)
Matt Ashtiani:but we can change the name and the links *should* work
Maureen:no looks good
Gisella Gruber-White:Sandbox: https://community.icann.org/x/_oAoAg
Matt Ashtiani:Please remember to mute your speakers if you are have dialed
Gisella Gruber-White:Please remember to state your names when speaking - much appreciated
sergio salinas porto:@alan perfect! understanding!
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Eduardo - your line is not very good - can you speak closer to your phone? The interpreters are having difficulties
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree on the right to any Member to 'Call for a Vote' on any issue...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:including the Right of the Chair to do so....
Maureen:I kike the idea of the quorum including regional representation before decisions are made
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:should also consider the 'Right' for a ' Members Decision / Vote to be Recorded" => that is IF a Member(s) want their Yes/ no/ Maybeb ?if... noted
Maureen:We record how people vote now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Just a pointing out for future Yes Alan picks it up as a 'Members Right' later as a matter for Consensus /decisions as well as Votes per se....
sergio salinas porto:I think it is necessary to record the votes and how each of us vote
Silvia Vivanco:@ OCL, interpreters could not interpret you
Silvia Vivanco:could you please write down what you said for the record
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I said for the record, that I fully supported the idea of listing the vote of each person. If we want to ask for transparency in ICANN, we have to be transparent ourselves
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you we will note it in the minutes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes for Vote that also helps woth metrics/expectations... it is the Right to have the reason for NON unanimous consensus outcomes a decenter can also have why ( if they wish) they disagree
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:just meetings and extra-ordinary meetings
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:like Cheryl said
Silvia Vivanco:Sergio puedes escribir lo que dijiste
Silvia Vivanco:por favor ? Yo lo escribire
Silvia Vivanco:en los minutos
Silvia Vivanco:gracias
Silvia Vivanco:I will translate Sergios comment now
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with a 'waiver of Notice Rule' being a Power/Right of the Chair and then if that is abused in the future by a Chair they get voted out ;-)
Gisella Gruber-White:PLEASE say your names before speaking
sergio salinas porto:creo que debe de haber instancias definidas: reuniones ordinarias (las que se hacen una vez al mes), asambleas ordinarias y asambleas extraordinarias (las cuales debn
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:usually called Ordinary, Annual Special or Extraordinary metings/ Assemblies
sergio salinas porto:las cuales deben de ser bien acotadas y para casos extraordinarios) con reglas claras y precisas de procedimiento
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Special and Extraordinary tend to be interchangable trms depending on juristriction
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Olivier - we are calling you back
Maureen: I like the three levels that have been explained already.. they are for quite different purposes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Annual are normally Major business matters that occur Annually Special / Extraordinary an AGM that is a mini AGM for specific purpose e.g. a Rule Change of Recall of Vote or 'Vote of No Confidence etc.,)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Ordinary are the Regular ones
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:shouldn't define different purposes of meetings in bylaws
Yrjö Länsipuro:I agree with Dev
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:ordinary - regular meetings ; extraordinary meeting - shorter notice
Tijani BEN JEMAA:what is an in person teleconference?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:in our LACRALO RoP - A virtual meeting shall mean an electronic medium that facilitates remote participation.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Tijani I saw those as alternates ( this my note on hybrids)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:agree that virtual meeting should not be technology specific
Maureen:I agree Dev
Alan Greenberg:my id is alangreenberg-mtl
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:meetings should be recorded
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Dev there is great power in the word ( a defined term i trust) in Record
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:with audio available (and possible transcript afterwards)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree ALAC must be clear in HOW it is transparant though
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:OK with it being an Adunct as long as we LINK to that from the Rules
Rudi Vansnick:wrt lists : let's keep the posibility to hand-over easily to new members/officers in ALAC so the historical aspects of lists are not lost
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed Rudi it is terrible when "history' disappears or is obfuscated
Rudi Vansnick:newcomers very struggle with what is discussed as they have not had a view on the lists
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Right to Vote or contribute to Consensus I would have thought
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I think that the priniciple however needs to be stated that the ALAC meetings are open to any observer (for eg) and that records of the meeting would be available to the public and maintained for future retrieval
Rudi Vansnick:indeed proxy can only be interpreted in relation to voting
Rudi Vansnick:2 namings : proxy receiver and proxy giver
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Edwardo
Rudi Vansnick:what about proxy limitation ?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:the power to Direct my Proxy on how to Vote is the matter re Votes control when a Proxy acts as a Replacement
sergio salinas porto:agree with eduardo
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I think an ALAC member can give the proxy to any ALAC member regardless of region
Eduardo Diaz:@dev - +1
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree to Proxy being given to anothe ALAC Member agree with you Alan
Maureen:@ev +1 (directed vote)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:if we limit that Proxies can only be given TO ALAC Members that is a non issue Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and goes hand in hand with Open Meeting YES
sergio salinas porto:I Think an Alac member only can give the proxy to other member of your region
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I think Sergio ANY ALAC Member
Rudi Vansnick:limitation for 1 proxy per person present at meeting !
Maureen:but people can direct their proxy to vote a particular way, which may be different from the proxy
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:You can set a limit to how many proxies an ALAC member can receive
sergio salinas porto:I'm seeing the representation of the region within alac
Rudi Vansnick:in Europe such mechanism is not allowed in non-profit : only one proxy per physical person
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:for example, have an rule that An ALAC member can only hold one proxy in a meeting
Rudi Vansnick:Dev +1
Maureen:To an ALAC member is important..
Rudi Vansnick:no, only 1 proxy per person present
Rudi Vansnick:the chair can have a decisive decision
Maureen:Perhaps we could put a limit on the number of proxies per person
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:That can work but we need to note any power of the Chair
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I DISAGREE with Sergio we create all sorts of logistic complications giving proxy to NON ALAC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree Dev
Eduardo Diaz:plus someone that is not an ALAC Member will not be as informed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes SCARY
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:disagree with Sergio re: giving proxy to anyone outside of ALAC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:it is recorded on a meeting WHO holds a Proxy though Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:OK with 2 week cycl Alan
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:agree
Maureen:OK with me.. at this time?
Maureen:or earlier?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no earlier PLEASE
Gisella Gruber-White:I will send around a Doodle poll
Maureen:OK
sergio salinas porto:sorry is the error
Maureen:I forgot what time it is for you Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:We will start with this issue again next call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks Mauren ;-)
Rudi Vansnick:thanks alan and bye
sergio salinas porto:bye+
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye
Matt Ashtiani:thanks all!
Maureen:bye
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:bye everyone
Maureen:Alan I will be in touch
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