Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the Fifth At-Large Capacity Building Webinar: "Exploring the Public Interest within ICANN's remit" on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 13:00UTC.
Ergys Ramaj:Hello everyone.
Yesim Nazlar:Hello Ergys!
Glenn McKnight:yes
Otunte Otueneh:Hello everyone
Adam Ahmat Doungous:Hello everyone
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, All!
Heidi Ullrich:At-Large Publice Interest WG: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_atlarge_At-2DLarge-2BPublic-2BInterest-2BWorking-2BGroup&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=xnD25kZ1IxkD1Q58WNko2fTFWQMlXcDYt4f0ADj6r8Y&s=MinG76p7KqiBUEzIUVm7AUOONP-Kj6cVpsauosKPrxw&e=
Heidi Ullrich:It has open membership.
Alberto Soto:Hello all! I'll be there for 40 minutes.
javier Rua Jovet:Hi all!
javier Rua Jovet:@staff / @all Sorry for lateness.
Heidi Ullrich:There will be a meeting of the At-Large Public Interest WG during ICANN 59 on Wednesday, 28 June between 17:00-18:00 in Ballroom 4
Javier Rua Jovet 2:@Staff; please add me as participant in roll call, pls THX
Yesim Nazlar:added, thanks
Javier Rua Jovet 2:(Theres a Javier Rua Jovet & Javier Rua Jovet 2 'cause I got disconnected and then reconnected)
Ricardo Holmquist:sorry for being late
Ricardo Holmquist:good day to all
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:What difference between the public interest and universal service?
Bastiaan Goslings:is the presnter looking at the same slide?
Bastiaan Goslings:I think he is at #9
Bastiaan Goslings:Thanks
Yesim Nazlar:thank you Bastiaan!
Wolf Ludwig:The difference is may be that "universal services" can be merely commercial and selctive etc. while the PI should serve the broad public ... Will come back to this later ...
Glenn McKnight:The challenge is the assumption is that do we really do have a bottom up multistakeholder engagement
Ricardo Holmquist:Question: are you going to have a meeting in Joburg?
Glenn McKnight:The challenge in getting true engagement
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:@Thanks Wolf
Yesim Nazlar:We're trying to locate the announcement - please disregard
Bastiaan Goslings:@Wolf: I’d say a universal service is a service that is considered so essential that it has to be available to everyone, most of the time at a regulated price. The reason to regulate such a service might very well be because it is of public interest that the service is (made) available to all
Bastiaan Goslings:(Btw as a FYI: I need to leave in half an hour)
Glenn McKnight:Universal service oftimes implies a fixed price and level of service. ie. A Human rights to access broadband service
Alberto Soto:Me too Bastiaan...
Javier Rua Jovet 2:The concept of "polis" as "public good" is reflected in the English idea of "Commonwealth": the "common weal", the " common wellness", the "common good", the "common riches or wealth"
Satish Babu:What proportion or percentage of the population does "public" indicate? The majority?
Ergys Ramaj:@Satish, Usually, yes. But some would disagree.
Satish Babu:Thanks @Ergys.
Javier Rua Jovet 2:on the previous Q: the spanish option: "yo cuido" was a bad translation. It should be something like "Yo me inclino"
Javier Rua Jovet 2:bad translation again. "Similar a Igual"
Javier Rua Jovet 2:These Q gauge well what we undertsand as public interest.
Javier Rua Jovet 2:GAC, but At Large also.
Javier Rua Jovet 2:the interests of individual end users is an important measure of "public interest"
Alberto Soto:In Roman law, the concept of public interest, determines and justifies the performance of public administrations (government). Therefore, the State determines what is of public interest, then intervene for that determination to be fulfilled. What happens if a government determines that the Internet is of public interest? Can you regulate it according to the public interest?
Satish Babu:We have a reasonable agreement on the basic definition of how Public Interest applies to ICANN. What actions can we plan to better integrate Public Interest within ICANN?
Bastiaan Goslings:Govts not only regulated the traditional telecom sector, they owned the PTTs/incumbents
Ergys Ramaj:May I please follow up on Wolf's comment before we move on?
Alberto Soto:Sorry, I have to leave the meeting. Kind regards !!
Yesim Nazlar:thank you for joining Alberto!
Bastiaan Goslings:I need to go to
Bastiaan Goslings:thanks to the speakers
Bastiaan Goslings:ciao!
Yesim Nazlar:thanks for joining Bastiaan!
Wolf Ludwig:good point, Tijani, the question of "legitimacy" ...
Heidi Ullrich:Goran Marby will have a discussion with ALAC/At-Large on rural connectivity during the ALAC Wrap Up Session on Thursday at ICANN 59.
Ergys Ramaj:For those of you who may be interested in this particular topic of Internet accesss & human rights, I invite you to read this interesting peace by Vint Cerf. I admit it is a bit old-ish, but he argues that access TO the Internet IS NOT a human right. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2012_01_05_opinion_internet-2Daccess-2Dis-2Dnot-2Da-2Dhuman-2Dright.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=xnD25kZ1IxkD1Q58WNko2fTFWQMlXcDYt4f0ADj6r8Y&s=saRf2Ip3e_bBx8hTBcL5oxLGJYoQ2uZz_GETIEaXCaQ&e=
Ergys Ramaj:piece*
Wolf Ludwig:It's an issue of competition as well ...
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Thank you very much for all his explanations
Javier Rua Jovet 2:Bye to all!
Yesim Nazlar:thanks for joining Javier!
Wolf Ludwig:And it's all about choice!
Heidi Ullrich:@Ergys, you have dropped
Heidi Ullrich:we don't hear you.
Heidi Ullrich:there you are!
Wolf Ludwig:What we are doing now is broader awareness raising on the issue of the PI ...
Ergys Ramaj:@Wolf, agreed. Certainly in the European context.
Satish Babu:We can hear you
Wolf Ludwig:My answer is Yes
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Please can we have the link for th WG PI
Ergys Ramaj:If you would like to join the discussion taking place on this topic, the following mailing list has been created as a forum for initial conversations: https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/publicinterest
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Thanks
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:@Ergys
Ricardo Holmquist:Good day to all, thanks for the webminar
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks for this excellent interaction on such an important issue.... long way to go yet, but a good start... bye for now then
Satish Babu:Thanks Ergys & Wolf...and Tijani...and Yesim & interpreters !
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:MERCI BEAUCOUP
Adam Ahmat Doungous:bye bye
Heidi Ullrich:Bye, thanks!
