15:34:45 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 13:00 UTC.
15:34:56 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/xoDOCg
15:59:22 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Hi all, welcome
15:59:57 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Hi. No sound - nobody singing, telling jokes?
16:00:10 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
hello everyone
16:01:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-)
16:01:19 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hello all
16:01:38 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Singing will be OK. But if he starts rapping, that would be a problem
16:01:52 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
Looks like this will be an interesting meeting :-)
16:02:23 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
hi everyone I am Frank Anati from Ghana http://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
16:02:41 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Welcome Frank, and all!
16:02:45 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Hi everyone
16:03:17 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Good afternoon from Accra, Ghana
16:03:24 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Hi Frank Anati
16:03:39 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
@Evin Thank you
16:03:45 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
16:03:49 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:04:34 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
Hi Raymond
16:06:22 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
Hope to learn alot here
16:09:30 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
ALAC Advice to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 2: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+ALAC+Advice+to+ICANN+Board+on+EPDP+Phase+2
16:10:29 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Greetings everyone… always nice to be with you and hear your voices…
16:16:59 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
@Frank, yes, a lot to learn from here.
16:19:12 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
What is the expected timeline for SSAD implementation?
16:20:22 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
@Steinar, there is an ongoing study to try to estimate that (as well as cost). My guess is no less than 2 years from whenever we start, but tha is just my opinion.
16:22:09 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
@Alan: Kind of in line with an optimistic process for NIS2. Do agree that NIS2 and SSAD should be “matched”
16:24:26 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Alan +1 we don't know how things will develop and that is why we are saying - implement something that can be modified or wait till you have more clarity
16:26:26 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Noted
16:27:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Many more questions. Will take a small team to address, not just Justine!
16:28:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Agree @JZ I suggest you @OCL Justine and myself to start with on drafting
16:29:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Noting Justine and myself are still shepherds on this work related to the PDP
16:29:28 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Sounds good @Cheryl
16:29:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
+1
16:30:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Let's "make it so" then @JZ
16:30:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
@Evin seems you have a Small Team to get going then
16:32:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
the Public Interest tool test can be useful but we need to look at the specific Qualifying questions
16:34:52 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
not obstacles but enhancements to a new round
16:36:24 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Thank you and noted
16:36:24 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Exactly Marita and, more, clarity of purpose.
16:36:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and @OCL
16:39:37 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
LRG-Label Generation Rules
16:40:12 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
RZ-LGR - Root Zone Label Generation Rules
16:44:48 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Just to note spelling variations are not considered variants
16:51:23 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Are there currently guidelines for the String Similarity Panel to decide that a proposed TLD should be blocked as something that would confuse users?
16:51:41 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Or are they free to decide on any basis they wish?
16:54:13 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
wow, these really need to be build slides. This is a pretty complex, text heavy slide
16:54:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Indeed @JZ agree
16:55:00 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Jonathan next time we can have simpler ones
16:55:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
The consideration of the edge cases is essential IMO as that manual check is vital for a number of reasons
16:56:20 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks, Satish for the presentation
16:58:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Critical point @Bill but not insumoutable
16:59:22 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
@Cheryl, not insurmountable, but something that should be addressed before it actually happens.
16:59:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Agree totally @Bill
17:00:33 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
Apologies for tardiness. Just finished another call.
17:01:18 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Thanks Justine. But the EPDP group might want to note explicitly that this part of the process should be addressed
17:01:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
++ @Bill
17:02:24 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Justine it is one of the outcomes of sub pro
17:04:27 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Bill, happy to take things offline with you.
17:04:51 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Bill fair enough
17:04:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes its a communications oportunity
17:05:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Apologies for being late. Was busy categorizing approx. 22K ccTLD and gTLD registrars.
17:05:17 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
@Justine and Hadia, thank you for your patience with me on this.
17:05:27 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Not at all @Bill
17:06:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you Bill for bringing up important matters
17:17:03 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
@Alan: You shall receive on an yearly basis a WHOIS Data Reminder notice requesting confirmation od registered data or update
17:17:20 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Previous studies were generally statistical surveys based on a small sample rather than complete TLD samples. From work with hosters and registrars, the whole thing can be quite messy in real life (outside ICANN surveys).
17:19:16 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
There is only one ALAN Greenberg :)
17:21:21 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
They seem like reasonable responses
17:21:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thx @Alan
17:22:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
They could even use a burner phone.
17:24:37 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Most recently I received an email from my registrar for verification
17:24:38 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
I still get emails for verification
17:24:45 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
postcards? how quaint
17:25:16 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
the email says if there are no updates you don't need to reply
17:25:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
that is you are all good
17:25:55 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
A logical approach for people with hundreds of domain names but it might freak out single domain name registrants.
17:26:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
There's also the phishing angle where registrants are more wary of this kind of "verify your details" e-mail.
17:29:38 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Or lost
17:30:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Keep going
17:31:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
all parties need to take a degree of responsibility including Registrants
17:31:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I am saying that the accuracy check is important, should be done, and yes have a remediation mechanism as well
17:32:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Might be better to talk to ccTLD registars and registries a they will know their country better than ICANN.
17:32:30 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
That way you get an accurate view of the situation by country.
17:34:16 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Steinar @Daniel, good work!
17:34:57 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Thank you, Steinar and team!
17:35:08 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Thanks guys!
17:37:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Leap of Faith's proposal sounds interesting.
17:40:01 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Interesting that such a small (I think) org. is paying attention
17:41:08 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Ask our ccNSO Liaison?
17:41:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Marita Leap of Faith?
17:41:35 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
on the ccTLDs Retirement
17:41:53 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Basically there are a lot of people worried that IGOs will use the new regulations to steal domain names.
17:41:56 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Johnathan can you repeat the question please?
17:42:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Marita (Sorry, wrong topic.)
17:42:40 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Now I lost audio again
17:43:05 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
That's why we have liaisons -- yes?
17:43:11 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
but I assume you are talking about ccTLDs retirement
17:43:20 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
@John It just postpones the dilemma. Even if an IGO does not have to agree to mutual jurisdiction at the outset, at the end of the day they have to go to court , if they want to override the Notice of Objection
17:43:27 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
If so I could look at it
17:43:44 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
sorry I keep losing audio
17:43:49 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
ccTLDs are a whole other world and might be a bit more complex than gTLDs.
17:44:21 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Barrack
17:44:23 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Barrack
17:44:24 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Barrack Otieno
17:44:36 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
No It is Barrack
17:44:36 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Barrack
17:45:48 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all
17:45:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
That 170K domain theft attempts claim from GoDaddy does make the 60 day lock important.
17:46:17 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Noted, thank you - will ask for extension
17:46:25 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Retirement of ccTLD should be referred to Barrack
17:46:41 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
@jhon seems that registrar consider security is a business issue
17:47:06 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Chokri It is. It is selling a form of insurance.
17:47:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
But it is interesting to see the problem quantified.
17:47:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for no2100 w then
17:47:31 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
2100 hrs too late
17:47:46 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
both are good for me
17:48:13 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
2100 OK
17:48:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Rotation is ideal, for sure
17:48:55 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Agree
17:49:00 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Bye to all
17:49:03 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Take care everyone… stay safe and be kind.
17:49:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
rotate but push it earlier is also an option to maintain rotation
17:49:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks and later all.
17:49:20 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks all
17:49:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for now then....
17:49:24 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Thank you all, and happy Thanksgiving to those who are celebrating!
17:49:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Safe travels to those who are doig so
17:49:45 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all - Happy Thanksgiving
17:49:46 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
Happy Thanksgiving!
17:49:49 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
thank you all
17:50:08 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Bye all -- sorry about the turkeys
17:50:08 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Happy thanksgiving
17:50:09 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
:)
17:50:13 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
ok good that's us
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