Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function on Tuesday, 02 December 2014 at 13:30 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/5YAHAw
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Tijani and Glenn
Glenn McKnight:Hi
Glenn McKnight:Not yet in Oshawa -Gordon
Gordon Chillcott:Starts later this morning, I hear, Glenn.
Glenn McKnight:Glad it's not Buffalo
Gordon Chillcott:There is that
Eduardo Diaz:¡Hola a todos?
Yasuichi Kitamura:hi, all
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome all!
Eduardo Diaz:IF cold and windy come to Puerto Rico - 28 degreess with a nice sea breeze
Alberto Soto:Hi all!
Jimmy Schulz:Hi all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi Jimmy
Seun Ojedeji:Hi
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, All!
Heidi Ullrich:Action Items from 26 November - https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Ad-hoc+WG+on+the+Transition+of+US+Government+Stewardship+of+the+IANA+Function+2014-11-26+Action+Items
Heidi Ullrich:The RFP was not mandatory. The 2011/2012 RFP was the first since the contract was awarded in 2000. Information on how the NTIA determined to move to an RFP can be seen at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order, including the Notice of Inquiry and Further Notice of Inquiry, as well as the RFPs.
Jimmy Schulz:The link doesnt work
Heidi Ullrich:Try this: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order
Heidi Ullrich:It opens for me
Jimmy Schulz:the error is the "," at the moment
Jimmy Schulz:at the end
Yasuichi Kitamura:The URL has worked.
Alberto Soto:LACNIC http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/transicion/inicioAFRINIC http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-21/en/vodIETF http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response/
Alberto Soto:sorry LACNIC http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/transicion/inicio
Alberto Soto:AFRINIC http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-21/en/vod
Alberto Soto:IETF http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response/
Kathy Schnitt:IETF TRANSITION Proposal: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/2014-November/000721.html
Eduardo Diaz:Gracias Alberto.
Kathy Schnitt:@Olivier, Suen is now connected via audio.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thank you Kathy. Seun you are next!
Alberto Soto:@Eduardo, de nada!
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Tom Lowenhaupt
Kathy Schnitt:@Olivier, Cheryl needed to drop for another call.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I will stay in AC from my tablet connecting soon...
Kathy Schnitt:Thank you Cheryl
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Hello All, managed to get home earlier than expected.
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Jean-Jacques
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Welcome Jean Jacques!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thanks!
Glenn McKnight:Hi Jean Jacques
Seun Ojedeji:looks like once i changed to agree, raising back my hand took me down the queue ;)
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Loris Taylor
loris taylor:Thank you. Had trouble logging in this morning.
Glenn McKnight:Many stakeholders are A. not aware of the process B Lack of action by organizations to get involved. Not unusual that many groups are not coopted into the process.
Alan Greenberg:I think the word "periodic" is pretty well gone now.
Seun Ojedeji:I missed over 40min of this session but i hope i will be able to catch-up
Seun Ojedeji:yeah @Alan...and the fact that its now Multistakeholder group makes it more complicated
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, yes that's true, that model is the only one really envisaged at this stage.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, what's the gist of that exchange?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Bertrand"s point is that a contracting corp. is not needed and MoUs could be used instead
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:both IETF & W3C are not incorporated bodies
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:his point was that MoUs had been signed by IETF Chair so ther was no need to have incorporated bodies to sign MoUs
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, that's something some of us discussed on the Board, ca. 2007-08, a series of mutual undertakings.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Greg's point was that a MoU *was* a contract. so same as contract. And can only be signed by legal representatives of legal bodies and that any non incorporated body brought in the personal liability of its "members"
Alan Greenberg:I am afraid that I think that this entire discussion of who can sign an MoU is a waste of time.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Jean-Jacques -- I remind you of this: http://archive.icann.org/en/psc/
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:A very important archive which nobody in the CWG have looked at yet but I am planning on introducing it soon
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: yes, I know.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: good idea.
Glenn McKnight:I have no idea what Seun was speaking about
Seun Ojedeji:Sorry Glen
Seun Ojedeji:Glenn
Seun Ojedeji:what part was it you had no Idea about
Seun Ojedeji:all of it?
loris taylor:I agree with Alan.
Seun Ojedeji:I guess i should summarise my point, which is that MOU can be more lightweight than contract (without need to have an RFP)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:less than 3 is impractical
Eduardo Diaz:5 years sound like the best
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:5 or indeed up to 8 works
Seun Ojedeji:That will remove the need to have to estabish a contracting entity...then we focus on the MRT part
Eduardo Diaz:Only if there is a need to be done. If everyone is happy with the operation why doing a RFP
Glenn McKnight:Renewable contract based upon performance indicators
Glenn McKnight:IF benchmarks are met than automatic renewal Five Years is a good number
Gordon Chillcott:Agree wiht Glenn here
Alan Greenberg:Change for the sake of change is a dangerous thing. If you change suppliers, there is always the chance that the new one fails!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agreed @alan
Gordon Chillcott:I have to agree with Alan here. This is a personal opinion, by the way
Seun Ojedeji:i am either way
Seun Ojedeji:anything is fine for me
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, is it necessary? Obviously, the national authority (USG) will in any case not relinquish oversight if...
Alan Greenberg:An issue that has not had much focus here is what would happen if at some point, the contract IS taken from ICANN. There is pretty strong evidence that the ccTLD community is in ICANN because of IANA. If IANA departs, then there is a good chance that the ccNSO does as well. And it is not clear how viable ICANN would be at that point.
Seun Ojedeji:well do we need to worry about that @Alan
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Absolutly
Jimmy Schulz:mompl
Jimmy Schulz:no i found the mute button
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Seun: There textis here: "The transition must not take place until: the requisite accountability mechanisms have been identified by the CWG on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (“Accountability CCWG”), mechanisms that the community determines are necessary pre-transition have been put in place and agreements and other guarantors are in place to ensure timely implementation of mechanisms that the Accountability CCWG decides may be implemented post-transition".
Jimmy Schulz:now
Jimmy Schulz:ok i calling in
loris taylor:ICANN accountability is key to public perception.
Jimmy Schulz:i will dial in
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Jimmy we'll come back to you
Seun Ojedeji:Those mechanisms are not applicable since the proposed solution is expected to kick-in after NTIA withdraws
Kathy Schnitt:@ Jimmy we can dial out to you.
Glenn McKnight:@Loris this is correct as long as the accountability processes are rigerous and compliant to best practices ie. Transparency International etc
Jimmy Schulz:i´ll try again, seems to work now...
Glenn McKnight:@Seun you make a good point as to the timelines of implementation
Kathy Schnitt:@Jimmy if you are stil having issues private chat me your phone number and Adigo can dial out to you
Glenn McKnight:Very clear Jimmy
loris taylor:I agreethat the accountability mechanisms must be installed pre-transition, not post transition.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:deffinatly a real risk @Jimmy
Seun Ojedeji:lost audio
Kathy Schnitt:@ Suen we are dialing back out to you
Seun Ojedeji:back in ..thanks
Kathy Schnitt:@Olivier Interpreters can stay for another 10 minutes
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thank you Kathy! Thank you interpreters!
Alberto Soto:Sorry, I must go to the meeting...
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:I have to sign off now. Goodbye all!
Alberto Soto:Good bye!!
Kathy Schnitt:Thank you Alberto and Jean- Jacquees
Heidi Ullrich:Workspace on PC - https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=50823522
Seun Ojedeji:thanks
Seun Ojedeji:bye for now
Jimmy Schulz:thx
Tom Lowenhaupt:Good meeting everyone.
Glenn McKnight:bye all
loris taylor:Thank you for the substantive call. Tuesday works
Glenn McKnight:@ loris do you have some time to chat on SKYPE?
loris taylor:Hi Glenn, Not today, heading out to catch my flight. Friday?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thanks OCK, Thanks all bye for now...
Glenn McKnight:sure what time"
Gordon Chillcott:Bye now.
loris taylor:8am works for me
Glenn McKnight:ok
Glenn McKnight:speak on friday
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks very much to the interpreters!
Glenn McKnight:bye all
Kathy Schnitt:Thank you all and havea a great evening, morning or afternoon.
