Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on IANA Transition & ICANN Accountability call on Thursday, 13 August 2015 at 14:30 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/KZFCAw
Alan Greenberg:Terri, can you please be prepared to display the first 2 documents under item 3 (the draft proposal and current comments)
Terri Agnew:@Alan, I have them ready
Alan Greenberg::-)
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone
Eduardo Diaz:¡Saludos a todos!
Glenn McKnight:Hello
Leon Sanchez:Hola Ed! Que tal el calor tropical?
Alberto Soto:Hola a todos!! Heloo everyone!
Terri Agnew:11 August Action Items: https://community.icann.org/x/HpFCAw
Terri Agnew:CCWG Accountability: https://community.icann.org/x/IIMHAw
CLO:sounds lie a plan Alan
Terri Agnew:Welcome Yasuichi Kitamura,
CLO:like
Gordon Chillcott:Agreed, Alan
Terri Agnew:Synce is on, everyone can turn slides themselves
Terri Agnew:Sync is now off
Sébastien:It is my proposal ;)
Glenn McKnight:@Alan some are more civil than others :)
Leon Sanchez:it's easier to add the term end users than to remove civil society
CLO:how about the terms 'individual and business users'
Glenn McKnight:The defination of Civil Society varies alot depending on who you speak to. It's mainly NGO's not the end users
Terri Agnew:@Alan, looking
CLO:I am happy to just support the quoted 'minority view' as is i.e. "to include busuness providors, business users, individual end-usrs , civil society, academia and the technical community"
CLO:(without the typos of course ;-)
Leon Sanchez:I can hear you well Alan
CLO:yup
CLO:I am ok with eitehr 5x5,2x2 OR the 7x5 bit nothing els
CLO:but niothing else
CLO: and I slightly prefer the 7x5 in fact
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I agree with Alan's description & treatment of various stakeholders
Leon Sanchez:I too agree with Alan
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I understand what Tijani is saying BUT we cannot ask for more than 5 seats. So there is no solution but to make sure other ACs are using the enforceable powers
Terri Agnew:Welcome Jimmy Schulz
Jimmy Schulz:sorry for being late.
CLO:Hi Jimmy
Terri Agnew:As a reminder for interpretation, please speak one at a time.
CLO:trust the community
Sébastien:RSSAC could be "larger" than "just the root server managers, if we can include a representation of the one runing "servers" all around the world
Sébastien:Olivier after Tijani
CLO:noting I personally could live without the removal of Ind Directors rule... so be keen to read the coming rational
CLO:and yes agree woth Alan
Gordon Chillcott:I will agree with that, Alan
CLO:REJECT
CLO:re 429/30
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:This "no defamation" thing is moot. No matter whether there is a clause for "no defamation" or not, this clause could be abused - by people in the ICANN community being really offensive - we know they exist - and in the US you sue anyway and see later. I believe that common law overrules any internal clause under specific circumstances
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Does anyone have an example of a "no defamation" clause that actually worked?
Leon Sanchez:OCL nope
Terri Agnew:Welcome Tom Lowenhaupt
CLO:I beleive your right OCL I do not think you can actually dodge the risk /likelyhood of a defamation case
Leon Sanchez:indeed CLO
Tom Lowenhaupt:Arrived late. Where are we on the agenda?
CLO:one of the reasons for a "removal without 'cause' clause" in many M& A's
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:it is interesting how the CWG & CCWGs are building these nice looking card castles
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Tom: (3)
Jimmy Schulz:sounds good
CLO:I agree these things *diversity* needs ti be asoirational not mandated and deffinatlky not quotas
CLO:aspirational ( and indeed targeted)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:The question of skill vs. diversity is very hard to resolve at the moment
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:the very concept of opposing "skill versus diversity" appears to point that there is an unacceptable balance of skills in the world.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:or should I say "imbalance"
Eduardo Diaz:I got disconnected
Eduardo Diaz:connecting to aiudio again
Gordon Chillcott:Agree with Eduardo here. "Must" can create major headaches here.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:if the global community was going its capacity building job correctly we would not be faced with such a problem. But today it is, in my opinion, impossible to resolve.
Alberto Soto:Sorry, I must leave this meeting. Kind regards!
Leon Sanchez:+1000 to Cheryl
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Bye @Alberto. Of course you can listen to the recording later
Jimmy Schulz:Olivier: I agree, but its never too late.
Glenn McKnight:We are not speaking about Equity targets
CLO:A Diversity Officer / <insert role diesription> can also be of use
Sébastien:Agree Alan
Glenn McKnight:We should be looking at best practices of other organizations which are being proactive on this. This has been a problem with other groups ie. ISOC and others
CLO:skill set is not the same as capability OCL
CLO:OR Experience for that nmatter
CLO:let aslone performance
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:IMO skillset is most important
Glenn McKnight:Recently I was on NOMCOM for CIRA and we recognized the diversity issue of YOUTH Involvement and the challenge of selection of them given the lack of experience
Glenn McKnight:We looked at a shadow youth Cabinet idea
CLO:and that allows the experience and capabilities to be developed Glenn the sort of thing one can do in aspirational or aimed at tragets
Leon Sanchez:I think Alan, what you're saying, is inline with what Steve Crocker suggested?
Alan Greenberg:@Leon, yes.
Leon Sanchez:I think Steve and you have a valid point. Perpetuating a mistake made in the past is not convenient. I would therefore agree with you Alan
Gordon Chillcott:Agreed, Alan. Strongly
Leon Sanchez:Indeed Cheryl
Jimmy Schulz:I agrree that whois should be replaced.
CLO:That might be worth exploring ( the Ed Morris matter)
Terri Agnew:At-Large IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/LY1CAw
Leon Sanchez:As I said yesterday, the IANA trademark issue is not really an issue
CLO:AGree with you Alan
Leon Sanchez:If someone made a trademark search, it would be clear that IANA is registered by different people across the globe for different purposes INCLUDING those of IANA in the US registration by the USPTO
Leon Sanchez:As being stated, the IPR isue on IANA is a US restricted issue
Eduardo Diaz:Got disconnected will talk later
Alan Greenberg:@Leon, but the access to the domain name is not so restricted.
Leon Sanchez:indeed Alan, that is the only caveat
Eduardo Diaz:I am back
Alan Greenberg:I will comment once I have actually read the ICG proposal.
Leon Sanchez:I would suggest that an ALAC comment on having a wider view to the IPR issue would be in line with the global perspective it should entail
Leon Sanchez:Exactly Ed!
Leon Sanchez:Alan, that has already been made in various countries
Sébastien:iana.xyz ;)
Sébastien:or lets have .iana ;)
Jimmy Schulz:sebastien: Yeahh that´ll be cool
Leon Sanchez:exactly Olivier
Leon Sanchez:if it is, in fact, then the theory of the non-issue is reinforced
Terri Agnew:At-Large Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1) Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw
Gordon Chillcott:Two calls, yes
CLO:sadly agree
Jimmy Schulz:agreed
Terri Agnew:At-Large IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/LY1CAw
CLO:Yeah right
Jimmy Schulz:I´ll be on a plane on Tuesday, but thursday is good.
Jimmy Schulz:and I´ll be back at home with mor bandwidth than here on Ibiza...
Jimmy Schulz:;-)
Jimmy Schulz:I just wanted to confuse You olivier
Leon Sanchez:LOL
Sébastien:Bravo Cheryl
Jimmy Schulz:I´ll be back with voice.
Jimmy Schulz:Next week
CLO:Bye fior niw all thanks Good Call :-)
Gordon Chillcott:Bye all.
Tom Lowenhaupt:bye
Eduardo Diaz:Bye
Jimmy Schulz:bye
ZZ Alan Greenberg:STATUS VIEW - Who would'a thunk?
