Zoom chat: 2024-05-01 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

08:57:20 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Luke is at OFB
08:58:26 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Hello Everyone
08:59:28 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
08:59:51 From Nur Adlin Hanisah to Everyone:
    Reacted to "To follow along with…" with 
09:01:33 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    I'm really looking forward true self driving cars. Humans are the problem.
09:02:03 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Replying to "I'm really looking f..."
    
    Unless they are self-crashing cars.  Which they are so far
09:02:11 From Barkha Manral to Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm really looking f..." with 
09:03:09 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
    Hi, everyone. Frank Anati from Ghana 
09:03:14 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Replying to "I'm really looking f..."
    
    Yes Bill, because they have to coexist with human driven cars!
09:04:23 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Reacted to I'm really looking f... with "
09:04:27 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thank you, Michelle... Good afternoon to all...
09:04:59 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome everyone!
09:05:01 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:05:10 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Reacted to Welcome everyone! with "
09:05:14 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Reacted to To follow along with... with "
09:05:49 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
09:08:45 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    The OFB-WG call tomorrow will have an update on NETmundial+10 tomorrow - see agenda at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2024-05-02+Operations%2C+Finance+and+Budget+Working+Group+%28OFB-WG%29+Call
09:11:08 From Evan Leibovitch to Everyone:
    @avri doria, didn't you say that multiple of your comments were ignored?
09:11:28 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm really looking f…" with 
09:11:40 From avri doria to Everyone:
    more complicated - worth discussing in terms of how to do hybrid
09:11:50 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Reacted to "more complicated - w..." with 
09:11:52 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "more complicated - w..." with 
09:12:04 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Replying to "more complicated - w..."
    
    not truly hybrid
09:12:09 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:12:16 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    it was a bit of a love fest, as Seb says. Without conflict, there's no progress.
09:12:35 From Evan Leibovitch to Everyone:
    Reacted to it was a bit of a lo... with "
09:12:38 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    One good thing was there were no real conflicts
09:12:56 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    Issue is all had their version of multistakeholdersim
09:12:57 From avri doria to Everyone:
    at the time seemed that way, but assured they were taken into account by pen holders.
09:13:03 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    I actually think conflicts are essential, @Amrita Choudhury
09:13:13 From Claire Craig - ALAC to Everyone:
    Thanks Avri and Seb
09:13:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    Agree Jonathan and that was missing
09:14:44 From avri doria to Everyone:
    https://netmundial.br/pdf/NETmundial10-MultistakeholderStatement-2024.pdf
09:18:54 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Do we have an idea how many cases we are looking at for grandfathering?  <QUESTION>
09:20:07 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Replying to "Do we have an idea h..."
    
    Further, how is the resolution found ? <QUESTION>
09:20:30 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    :-)
09:21:45 From Evan Leibovitch to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..." 
    
     Should have register...
09:23:14 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    Reacted to "more complicated - w…" with 
09:23:44 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Reacted to "it was a bit of a lo…" with 
09:24:13 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:24:48 From Barkha Manral to Everyone:
    Reacted to "it was a bit of a lo..." with 
09:26:25 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Should have register..." with 
09:27:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Apologies.
09:33:14 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    ICANN IDN Table Review Tool, June 2021: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-table-review-tool-user-guide-04jun21-en.pdf
09:33:15 From Evan Leibovitch to Everyone:
    Have to leave briefly. Home Internet issues
09:33:23 From avri doria to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    wasn't not there, but did not miss a moment of the online. There were differences of opinion.  I think it is possible to have these even when in a love fest.  I think love fests are often the most productive in the long run. And in today's world of hate events, a love fest seems a good thing to have.
09:33:52 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "wasn't not there, bu..." with 
09:33:53 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hand up by Jonathan
09:36:18 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    that's my impression as well. Seems like we should go for it as binding
09:36:37 From ALAC-Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "that's my impression..." with 
09:38:16 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo..."
    
    Certainly NOT recommending a "hate fest," but we are, for example, often aligned with governments on a number of consumer protection issues but governments are growing increasingly frustrated with the timelines associated with multistakholderism. There is friction there that really needs to be addressed.
09:38:41 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Satish Babu (Member, ALAC)<OBSERVATION> The genericity of the variant problem really depends on what is a Variant. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
09:39:26 From ALAC-Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Much easier to deal with a small number of existing conflicts for grandfathering.
09:39:26 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo…"
    I was very happy to be on CS group as we had a good coordination for the one onsite 
    It was not the case for the other groups
09:39:36 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Much easier to deal ..." with 
09:39:50 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo…"
    JZ this friction was discussed
09:40:32 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    I am leaving now.
09:40:49 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    Replying to "it was a bit of a lo…"
    For what was the objective of NetMundial+10 the meeting went well
09:41:03 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "For what was the obj..." with 
09:42:23 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Guidance not laissez faire
09:42:29 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Thank you @Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) for the making some pertinent internals of the ICANN IDNs deliberated and documented. More later...- Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
09:47:16 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Guidance not laissez…" with 
09:47:48 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
    Hello all apologies for joining late
09:47:56 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Hello all apologies ..." with 
09:48:44 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Apologies for doing late. Was on another call.
09:48:47 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
    I lost audio
09:50:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    What if there's a split between a registrant's company targeting a new market covered by one IDN? Will the original registrant have to maintain ownership or can the IDN be transferred to a subsidiary company?
09:50:44 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    I don’t see the pool on my phone 
    But go
09:55:19 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks. Some areas covered by IDNs might achieve independence or become different countries. It isn't so much the set breakaing as the registrant company splitting.
09:55:40 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you Satish !
09:55:44 From ALAC-Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you Satish
09:55:52 From Jasmine Ko to Everyone:
    Many thanks Satish
09:55:53 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:55:56 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you satish'
09:56:02 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Satish
10:00:04 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Sure seemed like it
10:00:11 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    yes maybe
10:01:31 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Thanks what I understood based on @Satish Babu (Member, ALAC)  conversation.
10:02:01 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    @ALAC-Jonathan Zuck I think you understood Satish  correctly
10:02:29 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    The representatives will come up with a first draft
10:02:37 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "The representatives ..." with 
10:02:37 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Based on today’s poll
10:02:49 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Replying to "Thanks what I unders..."
    
    That’s what I understood. Liaisons would work on it.  Thanks @Hadia.
10:03:05 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Replying to "Thanks what I unders..."
    
    same I
10:03:17 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
    Apologies. But I have another engagement. Thank you all.
10:03:22 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    I will take guidance from Satish and those who are vested.  But the  main takeaway from the poll was the EPDP should provide guidance? Is that enough to take note now?
10:04:12 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    End User Impact assessment, as Evan suggested
10:05:04 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    @ALAC-Jonathan Zuck +1
10:05:34 From ALAC-Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Got to run for another meeting.  Sorry
10:05:49 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Agree @avri doria
10:07:37 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    Sometimes the silence is more communicative than not. Sitting on our hands is also a signal.
10:07:53 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thanks Carlton. We will take the poll results as CPWG guidance.
10:08:56 From avri doria to Everyone:
    Replying to "Sometimes the silenc..."
    
    also a good way to become invisible or irrelevant..
10:09:53 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    I think I raised it 5 years ago!
10:10:46 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    but hopefully, we are making our voice heard on those WG. So we can do a quick comment.
10:11:24 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    :-) we have time today.
10:13:00 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    The other thing I wanted to say was that a topic that is important for one person might be unimportant for another and vice-versa. So it is very hard to determine what is important and what is not important.
10:13:01 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    @Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond you are right, but @ALAC-Jonathan Zuck  has a great point when we right a comment we can support it, but we need to be careful to not to duplicate other community’s comments, unless it impacts “end-users” directly.
10:13:55 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Olivier MJ Crepin-L..."
    
    Right = write
10:14:42 From Kathleen Scoggin to Everyone:
    I think it is important to note that although the statement can be the same, the framing or method of conveying it does often say a lot/provide nuance. Totally agree that we need to have a specific view but just that the definition of duplicative can be malleable
10:14:44 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg (ALAC)  My view has not changed. The bye-laws gives the ALAC standing to give advice to the Board on anything. In the same way the ALAC as representative can comment on anything of fancy in the moment. My view continue to be these should be judicious.
10:15:11 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    And the trouble is deciding when!
10:17:01 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    @Carlton, I don't think that Advice" is the issue. We can give Advice to the Board on anything, but historically, the number of times that "ADVICE" is warranted is very small. Most of our comments are not aimed at the Board or are capital-A advice.
10:18:22 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg (ALAC) seems like - as CLO would say - we are in violent agreement.
10:19:23 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "@Carlton, I don't th..." with 
10:19:44 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you all and apologies again for joining late today.
10:20:00 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you Avri and Olivier
10:20:05 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks Avri and Olivier.
10:20:11 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Bye all
10:20:13 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Bye all
10:20:18 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Carlton, I don't th..."
    
    Exactly, @Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
10:20:22 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    Bye all
10:20:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    I will be in apology for the next call
10:20:27 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye!!
10:20:28 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you all, Bye
10:20:29 From ALAC-Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you all
10:20:38 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    Thanks for the meeting! Bye!
10:20:40 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
    Thanks to all,,  bye bye
10:20:52 From Rookayya Gulmahamed to Everyone:
    Thank you all!
10:20:55 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Bye and have the best of the rest of the day...
10:21:00 From Nur Adlin Hanisah to Everyone:
    Thank you, everyone!
10:21:04 From Herve Hounzandji to Everyone:
    thanks to all, bye bye from Nancy
10:21:21 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    +1 to avoiding conflict with the AFRALO monthly call
10:21:38 From Herve Hounzandji to Everyone:
    Reacted to "+1 to avoiding confl..." with 
10:21:38 From ALAC-Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Thanks all
10:21:38 From Kalpesh  Chaudhari KBCNMU to Everyone:
    Thank you very much
10:21:41 From ALAC-Claire Craig to Everyone:
    bye for now
10:21:44 From Kathleen Scoggin to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone!
10:21:46 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Bye to all.  Great meeting.
10:21:47 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Thanks all!
10:21:47 From ALAC-Claire Craig to Everyone:
    See you tomorrow on OFB
10:21:50 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
10:22:03 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Continuous improvement!
10:22:03 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
    Great session
10:22:23 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    Foe someones there are new Q-)))
10:22:35 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    thanks Olivier, Avri!
10:22:44 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
    Bye everyone
10:22:59 From Seun Ojedeji to Everyone:
    Bye
10:22:59 From Bendjedid Rachad Sanoussi to Everyone:
    Bye
10:23:03 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    bye
10:23:06 From Jasmine Ko to Everyone:
    Thx bye
10:23:06 From Denise Hochbaum to Everyone:
    Thank you all!