00:17:57 Gopal Tadepalli: Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
00:19:46 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
00:24:39 Jonathan Zuck: Registrants are a type of end user, we've long established.
00:25:27 Jonathan Zuck: conflated, exactly
00:25:31 Justine Chew: Out of order
00:25:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "Registrants are a ty..." with
00:26:51 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, and we have discussed that transfer policy can have an impact on DNS Abuse which DOES impact all end users
00:27:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: All work we explore have that same impact assessment done
00:27:57 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Reacted to "Yes, and we have dis..." with
00:28:13 Evan Leibovitch: I will defer to later. To address Michael's broader question ... on the whole, any statement that cannot have a directly relevant statement of "this issue impacts end-users BECAUSE ..." ought not to be considered.
00:30:03 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): https://www.icann.org/rdrs-en
00:33:55 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
00:34:15 Steinar Grøtterød: Is there a link to the document on the screen?
00:35:09 Steinar Grøtterød: Replying to "Is there a link to t..."
Found it :-)
00:35:11 Andrew Chen - ICANN Org: Replying to "Is there a link to t..."
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2024/agenda/new-gtld-subpro-supplemental-recommendations-2apr24-en.pdf
00:35:16 Andrew Chen - ICANN Org: Reacted to "Found it :-)" with
00:35:28 Andrew Chen - ICANN Org: Reacted to "https://www.icann.or..." with
00:39:51 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Avri is correct
00:40:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and E PDP means that an Issue Report is not required
00:41:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: well noted @Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
00:44:00 avri doria: I do not think the GAC had scorecard on this issue
00:44:42 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Replying to "I do not think the G..."
okay thanks
00:46:59 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: we went through it in the ALAC call but not CPWG
00:52:56 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: anything that a Registry pays out will ultimately be paid by an end user. That's where the money comes into the ecosystem.
00:53:09 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): I do have the answer!
00:53:22 ALAC-Shah Rahman: Reacted to "anything that a Regi..." with
00:54:13 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: it is a filter NOT a dyecast however
00:54:40 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: a key consideration but not a hard line IMO
00:55:04 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
00:56:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and not ALL the policy work we are engaged with (as opposed to comment on) is going to test as Even so desires; BUT it is an ALAC Mandate to contribute to ICANN's SO's PDPs
00:57:16 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy: Did I hear it right? 100,000 domain names and it is an "incredibly successful TLD"?
00:57:17 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: .CAT is effectively a ccTLD in terms of use and community.
00:58:07 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: A successful TLD is not measured by numbers but rather by usage and renewals.
00:59:25 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy: John, my question relates only the number, as one of the parameters. .com is 200 million domain names, and a new gTLD with 100,000 is "incredibly successful" ????
00:59:53 Christopher Wilkinson: @.CAT - is not a cctld. +1 Mike Palace.
01:00:22 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: A TLD that serves its market and community is a success.
01:00:55 Steinar Grøtterød: Replying to "John, my question re..."
Successful - in my view, since .CAT serves the community and make money.
01:00:56 Michael Palage: Alan - I can go over the 2012 applicant guide book . .CAT would have lost - they would
Not have gotten 14 points
01:01:04 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Christopher Wilkinson .CAT is effectively a ccTLD. It may not be a pseudo-ccTLD like .EU but it has the characteristics of a ccTLD.
01:01:08 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Nor are users impacted by MUCH of what we need to contribute to in ICANNs work +++ @Alan
01:01:09 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy: Agree with some of your criteria, but my question is narrow, on the numbers @John McCormac - HosterStats.com
01:01:47 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The .COM is a global TLD, Siva. Community gTLDs are not really global I the same way.
01:02:07 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yes we should take it into account but it is not a Go/No Go
01:02:13 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): @Michael, you may well be right, and hopefully we will do this better this time around.
01:02:21 Michael Palage: +1 Alan - wrt to ICANN’s legitimacy on this being a public benefit corporation or a trade association
01:03:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: specific end user impact paragraph => certainly a great add
01:03:40 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "specific end user im..."
In fact it could be right up front in our general template
01:03:42 Evan Leibovitch: Cat lovers never had an opportunity to offer an alternative community. So that was not a good example, especially when .CATALAN could have been used to enable cat lovers AND Caterpillar corp and the Catalonian community to have their own domains.
01:04:39 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): #Evan, but in that era, .catalan whould never have worked. Three letter TLDs ruled.
01:04:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I hope so
01:05:08 Evan Leibovitch: Then it could have waited .. just like every other culturally-oriented TLD
01:06:37 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The most non-obvious metric for the success of a TLD is that the registrants begin to identify with it as *their* TLD. Every successful ccTLD and even a few geo gTLDs have this characteristic.
01:08:13 Evan Leibovitch: Carlton's not going to be able to make t
01:08:34 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Can we set a speaking time on each intervention Avri
01:09:08 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy: Thank you John
01:11:34 ALAC-Bill Jouris: A though occurred to me (just lasts night actually; i.e. late). We have issues with how Compliance has (not) enforced these RVCs. Might it be worthwhile to say that, if a registry has failed to live up to its RVCs, that should cound AGAINST their application for renewal?
01:11:35 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: All proposed Statements are linked from the Agenda Item 5
01:11:56 ALAC-Bill Jouris: Replying to "A though occurred to..."
As a general principle, not just for .xxx
01:14:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I would identify the named as Justine / Michael paper as the CPWG current proposal
01:15:11 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: the Evan/Carlton is an option to be considered in the line of does it garner general support in the CPWG or not
01:16:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and CPWG text is drafted for ALAC's use to the JZ text can be seen as an option for ALAC to consider with whatever CPWG proposes to the ALAC
01:16:28 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: +1 Michael
01:16:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Pithy could be the Executive ummarry
01:17:03 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: sumary
01:17:03 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): My issue is not pithy vs legal, but that the recommendations are different.
01:26:02 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: But also to recommend an outcome to the ALAC
01:26:54 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Like an Appendix or something?
01:27:36 Evan Leibovitch: Jonathan's statement - The ALAC statement The original ALAC statement - separate backgrounder document.
01:28:49 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "Like an Appendix or ..."
Yes an adjunct associated text for information and details
01:28:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: ONLY JZ and the CPWG one to pass on
01:29:29 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: There's TOO much implied in E&C's draft although all those issues can be revisited
01:29:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "There's TOO much imp..." with
01:29:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: NOT slow at all @avri doria
01:30:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: ALAC is in this call so they should know about the options
01:31:05 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and YES time is our enemy here
01:31:43 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Pithy is not better with these things. It is better to have data (legal arguments) and not need them than to not have data and need it.
01:32:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: it is also ALAC's problem to deal with Alan in terms of what goes in as a comment (or not)
01:34:23 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: we have 2/3
01:34:43 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: Michael has made that declaration as well
01:35:02 Alan Greenberg (ALAC): The recommendations at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C04oyYcUDLlKRC4fGoQNUc2f45cAcEC5jYDTCcgJ09M/edit list in detail continuing old rules without a mention of "until RSEP process may change them"
01:35:06 ALAC-Bill Jouris: Replying to "Pithy is not better ..."
Pithy is desirable in an Executive Summary. With details later
01:36:02 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: you can choose more than 1
01:36:56 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: Thank you!
01:37:04 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: That would be most helpful IMO @Michael Palage
01:38:17 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Over to ALAC then :-)
01:38:35 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: Yes!
01:39:11 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I'm leaving now I am already missing the Sydney ANZAC Dawn Service
01:39:12 ALAC-Justine Chew: Replying to "The recommendations ..."
We could have made that clearer, but that was the assumption.
01:39:12 Amrita Choudhury: Apologies will have to leave
01:39:24 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The Africa DNS market study should be out by then. Might be a possible topic.
01:39:46 Evan Leibovitch: Gee, what a good idea
01:40:07 ALAC-Lilian Ivette: Reacted to "The Africa DNS marke..." with
01:40:53 Ashrafur Rahman Piaus --: Thank Avri & everyone
01:41:13 Evan Leibovitch: Thanks Avri, you've handled a difficulte meeting with ease and skill
01:41:15 Vanda Scartezini - Brazil- DNS WOMEN & ABES: thank you Avri
01:41:18 Waqar Ahmad: Thanks Avri
01:41:19 ALAC-Jonathan Zuck: Our new Ringmaster!
01:41:22 Waqar Ahmad: great discussions
01:41:29 ALAC-Bill Jouris: Reacted to "Thanks Avri, you've ..." with
01:41:38 ALAC-Shah Rahman: Thank you Avri, and all
01:41:44 Gopal Tadepalli: Thank you for the nice meeting.
01:41:46 avri doria: Thanks, was my second. But the first with an issue
01:41:46 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: Next meeting: Wednesday, 01 May at 14:00 UTC
01:41:54 Ashrafur Rahman Piaus --: Great time it was
Thank you all
01:42:05 Ashrafur Rahman Piaus --: Reacted to Thanks, was my secon... with "
01:42:05 Claire Craig - ALAC: Bye everyone. Thanks for these updates
01:42:20 Vanda Scartezini - Brazil- DNS WOMEN & ABES: aren’t you return from Brazil next wednesday
01:42:26 Laura Margolis: Great topics, bye!!
01:42:52 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Thanks and later all.
01:42:58 Vanda Scartezini - Brazil- DNS WOMEN & ABES: welcome to all here in Sao paulo
01:43:04 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Bye, all.
01:43:05 Nthabiseng Pule: Thanks
