16:38:21 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call (CPWG) taking place on Wednesday, 31 January 2024 at 14:00 UTC.
16:38:45 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/ZYC5EQ
16:56:33 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Afternoon, evening, morning all.
16:57:34 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Was reading over the AFRALO submission. On Section 6, there's a formatting inconsistency on the ccTLD gtlds and the bulleted next line for the gTLDs.
16:57:39 From iPhone Vanda Abes to Everyone:
Hi everyone ! I am in two different meetings so will keep my camera and mic closed to not interfere Good day to all
16:58:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Also the AF region is a composed of markets at different stages of development so while the index is good, that point about development might need to be highlighted.
17:00:08 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
Hello everyone
17:00:33 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
ICANN's expectations of being able to map gTLD registrations in the AF region were somewhat optimistic given the damage that has been done to the WHOIS by GDPR and WHOIS privacy. PSA did a good job trying to compensate for that problem and gather data on registrations in the region.
17:01:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Lets go ahead
17:01:37 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus to Everyone:
Greetings Everyone!
17:02:17 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
17:02:38 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Real time transcription (RTT) available at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
17:04:14 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus to Everyone:
Reacted to Real time transcript... with
17:07:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
A big spike in Apr/May 2021. Any explanation?
17:09:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Replying to "A big spike in Apr/M..."
COVID?
17:10:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Replying to "A big spike in Apr/M..."
Possibly. It looks like a registrar(s) issue though.
17:10:11 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
Poll 1:
At this stage in the group's discussions, are you convinced that the Change of Registrant (COR) policy should be eliminated entirely?
- YES, there should no longer be any COR policy anywhere – 50%
- NO, there should remain a reduced COR policy somewhere – 50%
Poll 2:
At this stage in the group's discussions, are you convinced there should be mandatory notifications sent to the Prior & New Registrant when specific contact fields are updated?
- YES, notifications should be mandatory – 60%
- NO, notifications should be optional – 40%
17:14:08 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Thank you. I am leaving now. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University
17:16:03 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
Recording from the GNSO-TPR meeting inc. ICANN Compliance presentation: https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2024-01-30+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call
17:18:45 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+IDN+Policy+Working+Group
17:20:24 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you Satish
17:20:56 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Satish Babu, what would you say is the main question on which the group could use guidance?
17:22:33 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Jonathan, I'm not sure if we have to decide on anything since the group is already in existence, but its original focus was only IDNs but now it would be IDNs+UA, especially in the context of the next round.
17:23:01 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Replying to "Jonathan, I'm not su..."
Okay. Let's take it offline.
17:23:14 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Replying to "Jonathan, I'm not su..."
Sure.
17:35:29 From avri doria to Everyone:
doesn't conflict because it does not look at content, only whether the 3rd party says they are in compliance with their rules.
17:35:47 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
+1 Avri
17:36:25 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus to Everyone:
Reacted to doesn't conflict bec... with
17:37:53 From avri doria to Everyone:
consensus policy has more to do with whether the contractual condition can be changed while the contract is already in existence.
17:38:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
picket fence
17:45:03 From avri doria to Everyone:
Some will argue that the RVC circumvents consensus policy - that is going to be a trickier argument as many of the issues may indeed fall in an area determined by consensus policy.
17:48:37 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Replying to "Some will argue that..."
Yes but why is the RVC there? Because otherwise without an RVC the application for this string is unlikely to be allowed? What is the default?
17:48:59 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Replying to "Some will argue that..."
rejected application
17:49:10 From avri doria to Everyone:
The Board can decide and Legal can recommend. And when it is tested in a IRP we will find out whether it worked.
17:49:39 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Replying to "Some will argue that..."
exactly. So the RVC is there to help the application in having an application accepted.
17:49:39 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes
17:49:46 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Replying to "Some will argue that..."
I mean applicant
17:49:52 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
happy to support Avri's suggestion that it be the Board
17:49:56 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
When it comes to content, it is not a one size fits all. ICANN Compliance may be able to deal with a gTLD with a handful of domain names but that complexity would rapidly escalate once the regisrations increase.
17:50:51 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
And that is EXACTLY what the NCUC is complaining about, Alan
17:52:35 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
Will the new RA/RAA amendments on “DNS Abuse” be more easy to add “content” in a new RA?
17:53:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Registrars might not want to be put in the role of Content Police
17:54:00 From avri doria to Everyone:
if the external is contracted to ICANN, then ICANN is resposnbile for what it does, including content decsions.
17:54:04 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
The new RA/RAA amendments are a great example of something that COULD be subject to CP, but in this case were adopted using other methodology.
17:54:15 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
I volunteer!
17:54:24 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
Replying to "Registrars might not..."
Nor do they nescessary have the skill/expertise to “validate” content
18:00:43 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Don't know who else would do it? Even a PC ends up with the Board
18:00:47 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
ICANN legal
18:00:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Public comment might be better.
18:01:08 From avri doria to Everyone:
changing them should not be easier than making them in the first place.
18:01:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Reacted to "changing them should..." with
18:01:21 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
Reacted to "changing them should..." with
18:03:17 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
shepherds
18:03:28 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
I will propose a couple of bullets for consideration for the Public Comment on the Phase 1 Report on EPDP on IDNs
18:04:13 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
I will volunteer for the NCAP Study
18:06:40 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
Replying to "I will volunteer for..."
+1
18:07:05 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Hadia, do you have points for us to consider commenting on for this Africa DNS Report?
18:08:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
but ccTLDs can sell their domains at whatever price they want
18:08:40 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Why doesn't competition take care of this? are the ccTLDs that much more popular?
18:09:13 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Replying to "Why doesn't competit..."
Well it depends on the different markets
18:09:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ The AF region is a composite of markets at various stages of development. Competition hasn't really started in some.
18:09:31 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
the result is terrible figures for ccTLD domains
18:09:57 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Replying to "the result is terrib..."
it is..
18:10:16 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
But correlation and causation are pretty different beasts
18:10:20 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
if there is no market for 10000s of domain names perhaps the operators prefer exclusiveness over mass market if there is no mass market?
18:10:21 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond In some respects, it is like looking at the European market pre-2000.
18:10:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Reacted to "@Olivier MJ Crepin-L..." with
18:11:38 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
What is “free” here? Open for all or restricted domain name policy?
18:13:30 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
It would boost registrations but it also requires and uptick in usage. Usage is what makes the difference.
18:13:41 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
For comparison, a .in domain costs about US$ 1 for the first year, and about $5 per year thereafter.
18:14:08 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
inflation is one of them
18:14:23 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
In Uruguay is USD 25
18:14:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
You've also got a set of markets rather than a single market so it is not a general solution to say that the reg fee should drop deeply.
18:14:50 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
A meaningful qualification for price as barrier would be to look at the rates for data service in those markets.
18:15:16 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Carlton SAMUELS It is in the report. It is quite good on that.
18:15:45 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Replying to "A meaningful qualifi..."
+1 it's not just DN price, it's operating costs as well eg hosting, security etc
18:15:59 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Reacted to "A meaningful qualifi..." with
18:16:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
There's a glitch with one of the bullet indents on the text (the ccTLD line).
18:17:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
It needs to be based on a country by country basis.
18:17:17 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
What is this report going to be used for, if anything?
18:18:04 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The DNS Observatory is an excellent piece of work.
18:18:19 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Replying to "A meaningful qualifi..."
different costs in each country
18:18:47 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com Thank you. I will have a closer look.
18:20:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
yes the DNS observatory looks nice
18:21:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
ICANN's expectations of being able to capture the data for the gTLD registrants was optimistic given the damage to the WHOIS by GDPR and privacy.
18:22:29 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
FWIW and full disclosure. By virtue of the seat, at one time I ran the registry for .jm. Domain names are free for all qualified registrants. But on principle, I'm unalterably opposed to any attempt to impose price controls for ccTLDS from the outside.
18:24:00 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
A lot of the resellers in the AF region are small hosters with less than 50 doms hosted. And many of them host outside the region.
18:24:07 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Market with an entire eco system
18:24:34 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Sebastien we cannot say what price is best
18:24:35 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
+1 Sebastian
18:24:52 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
AF is not a single market in real terms,
18:24:58 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Only suggestions based on the studies and reports..
18:25:09 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
@Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond You hit the right nerve there. The domain registration policies do . Big +1 Sebastain
18:25:10 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
That's a point that's missed with the Index.
18:25:35 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 discuss with AFRALO
18:25:42 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
+1 Sebastian
18:25:52 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
+1 on that.
18:26:00 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
Reacted to "+1 discuss with AFRA..." with
18:26:36 From Waqar Ahmad to Everyone:
Reacted to "+1 discuss with AFRA..." with
18:26:38 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@hadia Elminiawi, @Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond I have a short AOB, please - I forgot to raise it earlier.
18:27:50 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Reacted to "@hadia Elminiawi, @O..." with
18:29:07 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus to Everyone:
Policies & prices could be restructured. Suggesting based on the market scenario.
18:29:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
One possibility: The unsuitability of ICANN's registrar model to developing markets.
18:29:53 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
I would find it hard to be unbiased on that. :)
18:30:00 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Reacted to "@hadia Elminiawi, @O..." with
18:30:05 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com this is also a comment that we had on the Domain name industry report
18:30:33 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
But was not put in the presentation
18:30:51 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com I could reach out to you
18:31:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Replying to "But was not put in t..."
There are thousands of resellers with small numbers of registrations but only a few will become ICANN registrars.
18:31:23 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
Hi everyone. Sorry I got in late.
18:31:44 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
whoo hoo!
18:32:02 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Justine -
18:32:33 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
I have volunteered as a member of the SPIRT Charter Drafting Team.
18:32:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Replying to "But was not put in t..."
Yep. I posted the MEAC figures to the mailing list but the estimates are crunched for all countries and by region.
18:33:34 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Reacted to "Yep. I posted the ME..." with
18:33:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Replying to "@John McCormac - Hos..."
Yes. I posted the details on MEAC to the list but the data is crunched for all identified hosters and their associated countries at the same time. It is a hosting market estimate rather than a WHOIS based estimate.
18:34:02 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
can you post a link, @Seb Bachollet?
18:34:02 From avri doria to Everyone:
Yea it was good. Worth the listen.
18:34:24 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
@Seb Bachollet +1 OCL did a great job!!
18:34:33 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you @Seb Bachollet
18:34:44 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
It was a great roundtable! Congrats to EURALO team who organized it.
18:35:30 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all
18:35:33 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
Thank you all. Bye all.
18:35:33 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Bye for now
18:35:34 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
Thanks all and bye
18:35:36 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
Thank you all
18:35:37 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
thank you all
18:35:37 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to Everyone:
Thank you everyone and bye
18:35:38 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus to Everyone:
Great conversation it was.
Thanks everyone.
18:35:38 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
Bye!
18:35:44 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
Thank you all
18:35:45 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
Good bye
18:35:46 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Bye!!
18:35:50 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Later all
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