Zoom Chat: 2022-11-02 ​​At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:31:49 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 02 November 2022 at 13:00 UTC.
15:31:58 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/-YUFDQ
15:45:17 From Mutegeki Cliff to Everyone:
    Greetings to you all.
15:47:26 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome all!
16:02:13 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    I don't hear an echo
16:02:57 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome, All!
16:03:24 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:04:07 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:04:57 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    Greetings everyone.
16:05:01 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
    for the records. Im here too. thanks
16:07:00 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    There are now comments for the RDDS Policy, but not complete.
16:08:45 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    +1 Alan yes far from complete
16:16:18 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Question: Satish what could be an example of Source string and variant labels?
16:17:29 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    @Amarita The variant labels are generated based on the soure
16:18:00 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    can an example be shared for easy understanding?
16:18:27 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    The set of labels will be the same if you start with the variant or source but the properties will differ thus impacting the outcome of the confusing similarity process
16:19:16 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    t if you start with ".strasse", the variant ".straße" will be blocked. But if you start with ".straße", then ".strasse" is allocatable
16:19:17 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    @Amrita, n German, there is a character called a Sharp S.  There is a variant to use a double S (ss) instead.  Thus Straße and Strasse.
16:19:50 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    Thank you, Satish! Are there financial implications for applying for variants? What impact would this have on applications?
16:20:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks Hadia and Bill
16:23:53 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks Satish for clarifying
16:28:02 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    Will all the variants have to complete technical tests (Name Collision) even though the primary TLD is approved?
16:34:22 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
    I think they have to complete the technical tests
16:39:05 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    From an administrative view: ICANN managed to run the ccTLD fast track, why should they not manage to handle theis as a stand alone process
16:39:06 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The advantage for the one-off option is that it doesn't overload the end users and gives them a timeline that won't be lost in a new round of gTLDs with users having to register their brands in more gTLDs..
16:40:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Interesting
16:42:42 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    Q2: The applicant apply for the primary and the variants in one (1) application?
16:43:31 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The 2012 round was like throwing mud at a wall and seeing what would stick in terms of the accelerated roll-out of gTLDs. The worst thing, for end users, would be to repeat that. End users need certainty.
16:43:49 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Are going to poll whether applicants must pay for all variants up front, or can pay when/if they want to register a variant
16:44:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Good idea, Bill.
16:45:28 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    It does seem like someone should get a chance to apply for more later.  After all, it might not occur to them that there even are possible variants.
16:46:11 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    hand up
16:46:53 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Satish: I agree that one application is a better bet. Can the Registrars permit some variants to be free and others paid ? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:48:12 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    +1 Siva your argument makes sense
16:49:12 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Question: Is there a cost in 6 delegation?
16:49:37 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    delegation=activation
16:50:05 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Should applicants have to introduce the variants within a given timeframe rather than just acquiring variants and doing nothing with them?
16:50:10 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Let me clarify my question is what is the cost difference in delegating 1 variable and many?
16:50:17 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    If it is a package its a package not 6
16:52:31 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
    If I buy .colour and not the variant -- could someone else buy .colour?
16:52:35 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    Using the example you shared earlier (e.g., colour vs color), it would be interesting to see what happens if 2 different people/organisations apply for variants in separate applications
16:52:58 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    Oops, Marita - you and I were thinking of the same thing :-)
16:53:07 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
    Yes, same question @ Sarah
16:53:25 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thiat is similar to the single/plural that didn't work out well with the 2012 round (accountant/accountants for example).
16:53:30 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Quiet surprised to know that gtld variants will be implemented as different gtld!
16:54:47 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    But the challenge is to pay for all the variants which may lead to huge financial costs
16:55:23 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    I am now on zoom temporarily
16:55:46 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Same entity principal has already been agreed upon
16:55:59 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Olivier - ADIGO is redialing you
16:57:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Could ICANN set up its own evaluation department for IDNs and variants or woutd that be too problematic?
16:59:22 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    The primary TLD and the variants must be the same Registry Operator. Correct?
17:00:03 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    it was a hypothetical, exaggerated scenario, nothing to do with Google.
17:00:03 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Can we close their poll
17:00:33 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    the point was that some applications cost less to process and some more
17:00:42 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    John, the next round will also admit IDNs & Variants and so it is the same processing infrastructure.
17:00:55 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    What was the result of the poll
17:00:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    fee needs to be non discrimative
17:01:07 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    @Steinar, yes the whole set has to be managed by a single RO.
17:01:08 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    #Satish.
17:01:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @Satish
17:02:06 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    It is the timings that are worrying, Satish. TLDs need marketing and time to get established. There needs to be more clarity on timelines for rolling out variants.
17:03:10 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    @John, agree on the time requirements.
17:03:45 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    Sorry, but have to exit for another meeting.
17:09:14 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
    I have to leave, bye!
17:11:51 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    <NOTE> Typically I see the concern : Rather than just buying www.mysomesite.com, should one also purchase www.mysomesite.club, www.mysomesite.info, www.mysomesite.blog, www.mysomesite.net, etc? And then the variants ? Good to have some guidelines on this with IDNs adding some dimensionality. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:14:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal Costs for end users is going to be a major problem because these end users will often be in the same market. The tuple registrations (com/net/org) will probably overlap with the gTLDs in that market and with the local ccTLD which may also have IDNS,
17:14:29 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    It was only supposed to be a 60 minute call
17:14:55 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
    I beg to leave
17:15:03 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    it was indeed marked as 60 minutes but the agenda's longer than 60.
17:15:05 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
    Thank you all bye
17:16:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Keeping the variants within one registry operator may be necessary because the variants and main TLD will effectively be a kind of pseudo-TLD that is commercially viable whereas the variants as separate gTLDs would not be viable.
17:18:29 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    +1 John
17:18:37 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    I also noted that costs are being looked into. I prefer waiting for a later time. Next Thursday, I will skip the CPWG meeting. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:18:39 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks all and bye
17:19:23 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Sorry, next Wednesday CPWG meeting, I will skip. Thank you. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University< Chennai, INIDA
17:19:24 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    Thank you everyone!
17:19:50 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Thank you Gopal see you the week after.
17:19:54 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Thanks all. Great discussion of IDNs. I feel like we might have been a little harsh on them. Interesting to see how they develop.
17:20:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    +1 JZ
17:21:06 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    Great call. Thank you. Stay safe and be kind.
17:21:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
17:21:16 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Next Meeting: Wednesday, 9 November at 19:00 UTC
17:21:16 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye!
17:21:32 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Thank you all - bye for today see you next week
17:22:11 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
    Bye all
17:22:19 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    bye
17:22:22 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you!!