Zoom Chat: 2021-04-05 At-Large Capacity Building Webinar: Consensus Playbook Focused on At-Large

15:36:08 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Welcome to At-Large Capacity Building Webinar: Consensus Playbook Focused on At-Large taking place on Monday, 05 April 2021 at 13:00 UTC.
15:36:19 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/GIaUCQ
15:36:41 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Hi Herb - the meeting will start at the top of the hour.
15:37:12 From Herb Waye to Everyone : Ok… tried to register and zoom took me here… I will be patient :-)
15:41:08 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : :)
15:46:14 From Melissa Allgood to Everyone : Welcome, Herb!
15:59:29 From Herb Waye to Everyone : Hi Melissa, nice to “see” you
16:00:04 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Hello everyone
16:00:24 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : Hi all, thanks for joining!
16:00:30 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : hi everyone
16:02:08 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Good morning! All good?
16:02:14 From Melissa Allgood to Everyone : It'
16:02:22 From Olévié Kouami to Everyone : Greetings everyone
16:02:26 From Melissa Allgood to Everyone : It is always Allgood over here!
16:02:58 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Hello everyone - Greetings from Mauritius
16:03:46 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone : waldo
16:04:52 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : right! Waldo!
16:05:02 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to Everyone : Hello everyone
16:05:30 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone : Hi everyone!
16:06:06 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone : @Jon they used it first in WW 2 with the character with " KILROY WAS HERE"
16:07:15 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : There actually was a Kilroy. But his graffiti went viral
16:08:03 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Kilroy. that was the one
16:08:11 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WhPCweO7QUlj7suMtYw0r9LvrldBm6l96fV_M2CsQ2w/edit?usp=sharing
16:08:34 From Eduardo Diaz to Everyone : Need access to tha docs
16:10:05 From Olévié Kouami to Everyone : Need access to the docs @Claudia
16:10:12 From hanan khatib to Everyone : Need access to tha docs
16:10:18 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : need access to the documents
16:11:23 From Lavish Mensah to Everyone : Hello to all, Lavish (EGIGFA ALS), Accra, Ghana... great to be here...
16:11:55 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : personal lives? We might need a glossary...
16:12:34 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : @All - please re-try accessing the document
16:12:46 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : everyone with the link should be able to access the document now
16:13:08 From Antonio Medina Gómez to Everyone : Cordial saludos a todos los participantes
16:16:00 From Lavish Mensah to Everyone : Greetings from Raymond Mamattah(EGIGFA ALS), he is currently embarking on a journey and hence apologies for his absence...
16:27:14 From Christian Nzhie to Everyone : Please, someone has noise in the background...
16:27:22 From Eduardo Diaz to Everyone : PLease close all mics.There is someone typing
16:28:23 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Please no not mute Cassandra line -it is amigo bridge line
16:28:32 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : We are trying to locate typing, thank you
16:29:37 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : What if the At Large view is yes and we genuinely agree to a yes since it is in the interest of end users, how is it possible to have alternatives? Offcourse there may be scenarios where there can be a middle path that can be somewhat agreed by At Large.
16:30:13 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Does it justify just to be at the table one has to change their views?
16:30:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Amrita that will be a great thing to work through in discussion in the breakout session IMO
16:30:24 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : https://www.dictionary.com/e/lean-in/
16:30:31 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone : amigo Line is creating background noise
16:30:39 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Thanks Cheryl
16:31:09 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone : Sorry Adigo line … is causing background noise.
16:31:32 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Amrita I think it’s a matter of process timing. It’s good to communicate and listen at the beginning, but form more educated opinions as the process moves forward
16:33:09 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : <Question>Is there a way to represent/document the "range" of positions, conditionals, etc., to facilitate approval by the ALAC and empowerment of the PDP rep volunteers?</Question>
16:34:14 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : Ok Alfredo. Merci. C'est dommage
16:34:59 From Frank Anati to Everyone : Good day everyone, Frank Anati from Ghana, link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
16:36:18 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone : <Question>When a consensus is reached and one is not comfortable with the result, is it reasonable to have a section in a position paper with those points<Question>
16:36:25 From K MOHAN RAIDU, HYDERABAD INDIA to Everyone : Greetings to all from ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter and myself K Mohan Raidu, President.
16:36:34 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone : sorry, i need to go to another meeting
16:37:10 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Sorry to be late. Another commitment turned up
16:37:43 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Jonathan @Alfredo I think both of your questions are related … documentation of the identified positions and tradeoffs
16:37:43 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone : Enjoy the rest of the webinar. With help of @Melissa it will be a create session.
16:37:59 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone : Nee to leave to setup a another meeting.
16:38:04 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : some time we have minority positions in some WG is that part of consensus?
16:38:43 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : @Alfredo, I confess I'm motivated to avoid that scenario. I really believe our influence, in the greater ICANN community, is a direct function of achieving and communicating consensus, within the At-Large community.
16:39:09 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : <Question, though likely repetitive to what we have discussed in other venues> How do we effectively deal with lobbying bias? E.g. those who have it on their professional agenda to disagree, as a planned negotiation position? To stall, delay or win by exhaustion? <Question> Thanks!
16:39:30 From Herb Waye to Everyone : Gonna back out now and let you folks work. Great session make the most of it. Stay safe and be kind.
16:39:38 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Joanna Good question
16:39:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thx @Herb
16:41:40 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : is the joining to the breakout room by invitation
16:42:25 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : @Dave, yes you should get a pop up asking you to jin
16:43:11 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : thanks @Claudia
16:45:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : 5 not 45
16:45:54 From David Mackey to Everyone : How does the representation model work for staying true to the voice of an end user? This moves away from IETF model
16:46:40 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : < Comment> I always find solving for the other is very important to reach consensus <Comment>
16:46:45 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : How so, @David?
16:47:09 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Jonathan are you familiar with IETF consensus?
16:47:17 From David Mackey to Everyone : Let me find a link …
16:47:42 From K MOHAN RAIDU, HYDERABAD INDIA to Everyone : On issues and ethics, we can take it to any length. But some people sit there with predetermined motives, may be out of selfish goals. They don't budge. If they are key people, others follow them blindly.
16:48:36 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Yes, @David. But the representative model also requires us to build our own consensus and "represent" that consensus in a WG. I think that's a GOOD thing, which is different from the "consensus model."
16:49:01 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone : I apologize, I just entered the call due to problems with my telephone connection at minute 38, I will try to understand what I should do in the exercise.
16:49:27 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Jonathan RFC 7282 - On Consensus and Humming in IETF … does not use a representative model to build consensus. Individual voices are a fundamental component (not groups or organizations)
16:49:36 From David Mackey to Everyone : https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
16:49:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : David that is in some GNSO WG specifically *not* what is intended as consensus as a yardstick in GNSO at time there I specific balancing or weighting guidance required of the Chair/Co-Chair to use when measuring what consensus is in a WG. It is important that all WG attendees fully understand the model they are working in
16:49:44 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : the problem comes when the Chair is not neutral
16:50:12 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : <Comment>The chair should be able to tackle issues stated by Joanna <Comment>
16:50:17 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone : Are there possibilities to enable the document to be able to translate it into Spanish? Google docs tells me that I do not have sufficient permissions to copy the document
16:50:21 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thanks @David for the link.. very helpful
16:50:48 From David Mackey to Everyone : @CLO I don’t have a problem with GNSO taking one approach and At-Large taking a different approach. We are representing very different interests.
16:51:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : @OCL remember these days (and yes only recently) WG Chairs are required to SHOW and be accountable for how the operate in a fair and balanced way
16:52:27 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : @CLO - I think that is actually a very welcome feature indeed.
16:52:39 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : +1 JZ
16:52:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : @JZ we need to practice that skill of "representation" and making effective voice in a WG
16:53:05 From David Mackey to Everyone : @Jonathan At-Large community identity/interest is definitely different from individual identity/interest
16:53:24 From David Mackey to Everyone : @CLO +1
17:00:55 From Alberto Soto to Everyone : Sorry, I'll only be present for five more minutes
17:01:19 From Melissa Allgood to Everyone : No worries - thank you Alberto
17:08:47 From Alberto Soto to Everyone : Thanks Melissa! I must go, unfortunately because it is very interesting. Bye bye !!
17:09:06 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Sergio dropped, just rejoined
17:09:14 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone : volvi!
17:09:38 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone : Come back, i'm already inside
17:22:01 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : I am back from the breakout room.. @CLO is our presenter
17:22:03 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone : I am the presenter for my team
17:22:09 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : I guess it's me
17:22:13 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : It is Joanna reporting for the Joanna moderated group.
17:23:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : We did 2
17:24:04 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : We went for scenario 3
17:25:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : between us all we may have covered all three
17:27:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank you Lavish... well done!
17:27:13 From David Mackey to Everyone : Thank you Lavish
17:27:35 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thank-you Lavish for reporting
17:27:52 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone : Thank you guys... We did it...
17:28:15 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone : Thanks to Cheryl... great lead
17:28:42 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : +1 @Lavish thanks @CLO
17:28:50 From John More to Everyone : Well summed up.
17:30:32 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 JZ - learning about others in our community is important
17:31:19 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : @JZ the breakout time was not enough .. perhaps for next sessions we can consider more breakout time
17:35:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : need to do MORE of these though
17:35:34 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : +1 Cheryl
17:35:48 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : écouter l'autre et accepter son point de vue est prioritaire. L'écoute et l'acceptation de l'autre , si diffèrent de nous, permet d'établir des ponts et a partir de là construire un compromis ensemble
17:35:52 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone : +1 Cheryl
17:36:29 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : The breakout rooms are very productive
17:36:41 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 Aicha
17:37:39 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : c’est un point très important, Aicha!
17:38:45 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : svp, quelqu'un peut traduire ma position. merci
17:40:04 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Aicha, here it is, from Bing: listening to the other person and accepting their point of view is a priority. Listening and accepting the other, if they differ from us, allows us to build bridges and from there build a compromise together
17:40:50 From David Mackey to Everyone : Ty JZ, I’m not a Fr/En translator lol
17:40:54 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : Thanks Jonathan pour la traduction
17:41:13 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : de rien
17:42:16 From David Mackey to Everyone : Thank you Hadia and Roberto - well said
17:42:36 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you David for your ideas
17:42:51 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : Merci chers Hadia et Roberto
17:43:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : We need a jamboard webinar, I think
17:43:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : We need the community to practice with Jamboard please add this to the CB repertoire
17:45:23 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : this is why we NEED better asynchronous tools!
17:45:29 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Merci a vous Aicha
17:45:36 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone : Merci bcp Melissa pour votre efficacité . Vous portez bien votre Nom All Good "tout est bien"
17:45:39 From Siranush Vardanyan to Everyone : Thanks all
17:45:41 From David Mackey to Everyone : Thank you all, good discussion!
17:45:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : GREAT session THAKS Melissa!!!
17:45:42 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you all
17:45:44 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Thanks a lot Melissa for this session.
17:45:44 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Thank you
17:45:52 From Alfredo Lopez hernandez to Everyone : Gracias
17:45:54 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thanks and looking forward for the next webinar
17:45:54 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone : Thanks all - Bye
17:45:57 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you Melisssa
17:46:00 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : bye to all
17:46:01 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : merci