00:48:44 Sivasubramanian M: Please post a clickable browser link in the chat for interpretation.
00:49:05 Matthias M. Hudobnik: hello everyone ;-)
00:49:19 Heidi Ullrich: Welcome to ICANN69, All!
00:49:29 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: Hi everyone!
00:49:30 Albert Daniels: Amarameetings.icann.org
00:49:47 Eng.MOAMIN HAMAD: hello everyone
00:49:52 Alperen Eken: To listen to the interpretation, please follow these steps. 1. Download the Congress Rental Network mobile app to your phone or cut and paste the mobile browser link a. Mobile App Download: https://urlgeni.us/ICANN68-GET-APP b. Mobile Browser Link: https://urlgeni.us/ICANN69-ALAC 2. Enter the Session Token: ICANN69-ALAC 3. For Reference in case needed - Participation How-To Guide: https://69.schedule.icann.org/participation-tools
00:50:55 Olivier Crépin-Leblond: can one listen to interpretation through a laptop instead of a mobileApp?
00:51:56 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, Olivier!
00:52:13 Jonathan Zuck: https://crn.interpret.world/page
00:53:58 Sarah Kiden: @Alp, the token gives an error “token not found”
00:53:59 Gisella Gruber: Important - Interpretation token is ICANN-ALAC
00:54:08 Alperen Eken: To listen to the interpretation, please follow these steps. 1. Download the Congress Rental Network mobile app to your phone or cut and paste the mobile browser link a. Mobile App Download: https://urlgeni.us/ICANN68-GET-APP b. Mobile Browser Link: https://urlgeni.us/ICANN69-ALAC 2. Enter the Session Token: ICANN-ALAC 3. For Reference in case needed - Participation How-To Guide: https://69.schedule.icann.org/participation-tools
00:54:32 Heidi Ullrich: Welcome to all new ALAC Members Sarah, Pari, Sindy and Greg!
00:54:52 Gregory Shatan: Thank you!
00:55:08 Sarah Kiden: Thank you!
00:55:09 Heidi Ullrich: And many thanks to Tijani, Bastiaan, Humberto and Javier for all of your valuable contributions.
00:55:10 Matthias M. Hudobnik: thx gisella for the token ;-)
00:55:31 Jeff Neuman: is there a running transcript or closed captioning?
00:55:39 Holly Raiche: Welcome to all - with sadness at losing Tijani, Bastiaan, Humberto and Javier
00:56:19 Nigel Hickson: Good morning
00:57:16 Herb Waye Ombuds: Warm greetings from the ICANN Office of the Ombudsman team. Welcome to ICANN69. Virtual Office will be open daily with details in the Attendee/Discussion forum. Be kind to each other.
00:57:33 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Alwys welcome @Herb!
00:58:21 Satish Babu: Thanks to Tijani, Bastiaan, Humberto and Javier...hoping you'll continue to share your wisdom.
00:59:03 Jonathan Zuck: @Satish, "you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave!"
01:00:12 Seun Ojedeji: the time says 8utc at my end so we should be 14min into this session
01:00:16 Seun Ojedeji: good morning from Nigeria
01:00:44 Seun Ojedeji: i don't have audio is it from my end?
01:01:00 Dave Kissoondoyal: Thanks to Tijani, Bastiaan, Humberto and Javier… Warmest welcome to incoming ALAC members
01:01:01 Ricardo Holmquist: there is audio, hearing well
01:01:04 Seun Ojedeji: i someone speaking please?
01:01:05 Gangesh Varma: yes Seun, try reconnecting audio
01:01:13 Seun Ojedeji: okay thanks
01:01:35 Dave Kissoondoyal: echo
01:01:36 Sivasubramanian M: Browser link loads with "ICANN69-ALAC" in the connect to your session form field, but then returns an error that says "token not found" when the go to my session button is pressed
01:01:44 Satish Babu: +1 Jonathan on Hotel California
01:02:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: For Sure!
01:02:36 Seun Ojedeji: now loud and clear, thanks!
01:02:51 Alperen Eken: Siva, sorry for the mistake, token is ICANN-ALAC
01:02:56 Evin Erdogdu: At-Large Talking Points at ICANN69: https://community.icann.org/x/R4JIC
01:06:05 Silvia Vivanco: Welcome all to the first At-Large session @ ICANN 69
01:07:59 Sivasubramanian M: Thank you @Alperen Eken. Works now.
01:11:21 Albert Daniels: hello Silvia
01:15:09 Nadira AL Araj: excellent highlights of ALAC position on the New gTLD subsequent procedures
01:17:09 Nadira AL Araj: Streaming will be an excellent resource
01:18:19 Roberto: Not only websites but also for instance email addresses
01:22:42 laurin: there’s data available. not all perfect but for the real problematic players, one can argue
01:22:55 laurin: that it’s indicative.
01:23:24 Holly Raiche: Thanks Laurin - we ned to work on that
01:23:36 Sarah Kiden: The end user campaign is a welcome initiative!
01:24:26 Matthias M. Hudobnik: holly we will talk about it in our campaign session
01:24:33 Matthias M. Hudobnik: thy sarah
01:24:35 Matthias M. Hudobnik: :-)
01:25:29 Holly Raiche: Thank Matthias
01:27:04 Justine Chew: DAAR - Domain Abuse Activity Reporting
01:28:48 Sivasubramanian M: Zuck, how do you make Registrants understand who his or her Registrar is? Most users deal with Resellers who are not very transparent (with Registrants) about the Accredited Registrar they work for (otherwise the Registrant would go direct to the Registrar rather than deal with the Reseller)
01:29:34 Nadira AL Araj: An excellent initiative to prepare the community in advance.
01:29:40 Heidi Ullrich: DAAR Page: https://www.icann.org/octo-ssr/daar
01:30:58 Sivasubramanian M: (Or, could there be a Reseller Accreditation process) @Jonathan
01:31:14 Yesim Nazlar: @All - Kind reminder to please state your names before speaking.
01:31:26 Jonathan Zuck: @Siva, resellers are, indeed, another level of complexity where we would like to see more transparency and responsibility by registrars.
01:33:38 Sivasubramanian M: @Jonathan. Yes. Registrars could be asked to "own" the actions and omissions of their Resellers;
01:34:01 Sivasubramanian M: Or, Registrars could move away from a system of multiple and indiscriminate Resellers
01:34:36 Sivasubramanian M: May be devise systems such as "Referrals" in place of Resellers, all Resellers or some of the Resellers.
01:35:13 Heidi Ullrich: At-Large Prioritization - All (08:00-08:50 UTC)
Competition, Consumer Trust, and Consumer Choice Review Team - Jonathan Zuck
WHOIS - Alan Greenberg
Rights Protection Mechanism - Greg Shatan
Multistaker Model - Marita Moll
SSR2 - Laurin Weissinger
01:35:17 Sivasubramanian M: Or, devise a simpler process for Reseller Accreditation by the Registrar Stakeholder Group or by ICANN
01:35:27 ДМИТРИЙ: Hello
01:35:31 Holly Raiche: Folks - the RAA does make registrars responsible for resellers’ compliance with the RAA - maybe work on that?
01:38:01 ДМИТРИЙ: I apologize for being late!
01:42:20 DANIEL NANGHAKA: Prioritisation has been key for the ATRT3 team
01:47:14 Glenn McKnight, Virtual School of Internet Governance: We had PIR's Brian Cimbolic do an informative session on DNS Abuse and their QPI Quality Performace Initiative . Video is here https://youtu.be/g36jCpu7W8U
01:49:14 Gisella Gruber: Please state your names when speaking
01:50:46 Volker Greimann: that is a really low threshold, as people give their credit card information to anyone with a pulse
01:51:07 Holly Raiche: Thanks JZ
01:52:42 Sivasubramanian M: Alan could speak a little louder
01:53:25 Holly Raiche: General Data Protection Regulation
01:53:30 Jonathan Zuck: @Volker, you may be right but it IS a measure of trust. We may conclude that consumers are TOO trusting, for sure but looking at their relative trust an begin to demonstrate the effectiveness of trust building policy. Fingers crossed.
01:59:13 Jonathan Zuck: High correlation between trademark and copyright infringement and malware
02:07:06 Roberto: I remember in the very beginning of ALAC it has been hard to make the point that IP infringement could be damaging for users as well
02:09:38 Jonathan Zuck: Yeah, the IPC does itself no favors sometimes but we need to keep repeating the facts about the correlation to malware and we don't CARE about whether the IP enforcers are altruistic, only that they are helping whether they mean to or not!
02:12:48 Yesim Nazlar: @All - IMPORTANT Reminder - Please state your names before speaking for both interpretation and transcription purposes.
02:18:54 Jonathan Zuck: Hmm. ICANN security COULD have an impact on users, I imagine but as the ALAC, we also have a responsibility to comment on institutional issues as well. That's why we have the OFBWG, for example.
02:21:14 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: My brief was to speak to the Prioritisation Recommendation SeB not *The set of recommendations*
02:21:45 Jonathan Zuck: Definitely a REAL issue, @Sebastien. We have a long road ahead to come up with At-Large priorities.
02:23:25 laurin: we have to consider
02:24:03 Jonathan Zuck: We should probably make the spreadsheet bigger on the screen.
02:24:22 laurin: that all these recommendations come from somewhere. maybe at some point in the future, we should have a conversation about why there are so many and what systemic issues exist that contribute to them all.
02:24:25 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: Looks like a community wide challenge @JZ. We just might want to give it a head start.
02:25:14 Gregory Shatan: Some more clarity on the recommendations woujld be helpful.
02:25:23 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: almost 50:50
02:25:41 Roberto: +1 Laurin
02:26:50 Ricardo Holmquist: Thank you Laurin, thanks the idea, to start a conversation about this.
02:26:50 Holly Raiche: Can we all put in the chat our top three rather than taking a polll\?
02:27:12 Marita Moll: I don't think we have discussed these recs in detail and had a chance to make really considered vote
02:27:33 laurin: in addition, SSR2 isn’t even done so voting e
02:28:03 laurin: on those might be pretty much moot. I happen to know that the wording changed. ;)
02:28:19 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Think of this as a setting scene and practice exercise perhaps
02:28:24 Ricardo Holmquist: @Holly, Marita, its difficult to find out a tool to do that, ICANN is not allowing most of the tools
02:28:39 Holly Raiche: Thanks Ricardo - pity really
02:28:54 Adela Danciu: What is the effect of this poll? Is it just an opinion survey or action (triage) will be taken based on the results?
02:29:22 Justine Chew: Temperature of the room
02:29:29 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: y=treat it as an exercise
02:29:39 Ricardo Holmquist: TY Justine, yeap, thats the idea
02:29:39 Jonathan Zuck: @Adela, I think it's just an exercise as we try to figure out how to prioritize our recommendations. This session itself is an experiment in how we will deal with the issue.
02:29:40 Holly Raiche: @ Jsutine - but temperature in relation to what?
02:29:42 Adela Danciu: (sorry if I missed a previous discussion and my Qs were out of track)
02:31:00 Justine Chew: @Holly, of one item in relation to the other items in the list.
02:31:03 Ricardo Holmquist: no worries please
02:31:07 Marita Moll: Agree with Seb -- if this session had been talking about these recommendations in detail, we might be in a position to vote. Otherwise, the results will give a wrong impression within the community
02:31:50 Roberto: I think that there is a wide difference between a formal vote and an informal straw poll
02:32:21 Sébastien Bachollet: Yes but take the ones that was presented!!!
02:32:21 Roberto: At least we know that people do not think that the topic is low priority, but medium or high
02:32:37 Roberto: @SeB you have a point on this
02:33:21 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I was very relieved to see that @Roberto
02:34:46 laurin: Going back to my previous comment: all these recommendations are dealing with real issues.
02:35:02 Jonathan Zuck: We shouldn't consider any of this final. Just seeing if polling is an effective way to discuss and see where people are.
02:36:13 Sébastien Bachollet: Can you tell what was the prioritisation given by ATRT3 itself?
02:36:21 Heidi Ullrich: The Operations, Finance and Budget WG Workspace: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=132940946
02:37:05 Justine Chew: Another angle to consider is to highlight potential overlap across the items which the straw poll "prioritizes"?
02:37:55 Jonathan Zuck: Google Jamboard is one of the tools that ICANN IT is evaluating and staff are currently being trained on: https://workspace.google.com/products/jamboard/
02:38:16 laurin: Justine, that is one aspect that I feel a discussion should focus on.
02:38:24 Gisella Gruber: @All - IMPORTANT Reminder - Please state your names before speaking for both interpretation and transcription purposes.
02:38:51 laurin: cct and SSR2 have lots of overlap actually.
02:38:54 Gisella Gruber: If you do not state your name, the transcription will have ‘man’/‘woman’
02:39:17 Marita Moll: Agree with Holly. I am not ready for this. Let's do it later
02:39:20 laurin: coming from different angles maybe but similar issues.
02:39:35 Maureen Hilyard: Come to the OFBWG meetings where the discussions will happen..
02:39:53 Holly Raiche: Set up a google doc so people can read in their own time and prioritise
02:40:05 Maureen Hilyard: in Justine-style small groups perhaps for different topics (??)
02:40:29 Holly Raiche: And yes- maybe a special OFBWG meeting
02:40:38 Jonathan Zuck: That's what I'm thinking Maureen: Small Group to OFBWG to ALAC
02:41:10 laurin: agree with holly. there is a need to do that. maybe even have q/a with people from the relevant reviews.
02:41:26 Jonathan Zuck: +1 Laurin
02:42:24 laurin: I can only speak to SSR obviously but some points might need explanation for “non-security” people
02:42:38 laurin: I very much assume that is the same for other reviews.
02:42:49 Heidi Ullrich: @Ricardo/@Maureen, should staff note an action item for a small group to form, then to OFB-WG and then to the ALAC?
02:43:22 Ricardo Holmquist: yes, it was already an action item for this session
02:43:39 Heidi Ullrich: Thanks, Ricardo.
02:43:54 Maureen Hilyard: The small group will be formed by the OFBWG and work within it to prepare a statement for the ALAC
02:43:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks @Alp
02:44:10 Holly Raiche: Thanks Maureen - a good way forward
02:44:41 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: +1
02:44:45 Justine Chew: @Maureen, plan not statement, right? :)
02:45:50 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, @Justine. It would be an "approved priority list" which would probably return to the OFBWG to delegate champions to represent different recommendations in the various ICANN fora
02:46:15 Justine Chew: :-)
02:46:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks everyone now you are better prepared to look into this item as action later this year!
02:46:31 Sergio Salinas Porto LACRALO: bye
02:46:32 Yesim Nazlar: Thank you all, this session is now adjourned.
02:46:35 Satish Babu: Thanks and bye!
02:46:36 Evin Erdogdu: Thanks all
02:46:36 Ricardo Holmquist: Thanks everyone
02:46:36 Heidi Ullrich: Bye, All.
02:46:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye fr now!
02:46:37 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: Thanks and bye
02:46:38 Danko Jevtović (ICANN Board): thanks
00:48:44 Sivasubramanian M: Please post a clickable browser link in the chat for interpretation.