13:31:46 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
13:33:17 From haroun mahamat cheri : hi
13:48:07 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
13:52:04 From Internet Australia : Good morning all
13:54:09 From Lutz Donnerhacke : The early minutes are much more fascinating with Zoom, than Adobe Connect. A big step forward!
13:56:35 From Glenn : Herb don't forget that we are doing a ICANN 65 Briefing on May 30th in Ottawa I will be at the Rebel Offices by 3 pm with Marita
13:57:27 From Herb Waye : I’m hoping to make it through the time is not favorable to it
13:57:31 From Glenn : Eventbrite registration
13:57:32 From Glenn : https://www.eventbrite.com/e/icann-65-marrakesh-briefing-tickets-60536750049
13:57:46 From Glenn : Its 5 to 7pm
13:58:40 From ALBERTO SOTO : Hola a todos, hello everyone!!
13:59:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi Alberto
13:59:41 From Marita Moll : Is it possible, in zoom, to get timer on a corner of the screen?
13:59:50 From ALBERTO SOTO : Hi Cheryl, I´m very fine, and you?
13:59:59 From Glenn : Launch of the English, Spanish and French Internet Governance Hub Blog
14:00:00 From Glenn : https://internetgovernancehub.blog/
14:04:29 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi all!
14:04:31 From Greg Shatan : Hello, all!
14:04:51 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : please call me at +5492235215819 !
14:05:02 From Greg Shatan : I am on the English Channel as well.
14:05:17 From Greg Shatan : (Or La Manche, as the French call it.)
14:05:32 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All
14:05:47 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : thanks heidi
14:05:54 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : grrrr thanks
14:06:55 From AlanGreenberg : Hadia, should I start for EPDP?
14:07:05 From Claudia Ruiz to Marita Moll (Privately) : I do not have a timer
14:07:17 From Claudia Ruiz to Marita Moll (Privately) : Apologies, we are working on getting one
14:07:45 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Marita
14:14:30 From Jonathan Zuck : Not time for these slides yet
14:15:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yes we can hear you well
14:16:20 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Slide deck from Marita on: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/109484117/Issue%20Brief%20--%20strat%20plan%20v.1.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1558532743000&api=v2
14:16:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thx OCL
14:16:54 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Sorry for my tardiness...coming from another meeting
14:18:36 From Glenn : Marita Ebook version of her slides
14:18:37 From Glenn : http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/dgdb/
14:23:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the EPDP Process
14:23:36 From Hadia : Hello all - apologies for being late I had a problem with my connection
14:24:56 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : Please can I have the slide shared again. lost connection and hence the previous chat
14:25:42 From Holly Raiche : my hand is up - just not visible to me
14:26:07 From Claudia Ruiz : https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/109484117/Issue%20Brief%20--%20strat%20plan%20v.1.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1558532743000&api=v2
14:26:54 From Claudia Ruiz : Order of Hands up 1. Jonathan 2. Sebastien 3. Holly 4. Hadia 5. Gordon
14:27:01 From Claudia Ruiz : 6. Alan
14:27:19 From Claudia Ruiz : 7. Cheryl
14:27:52 From Claudia Ruiz : 8. Greg
14:30:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Contracted parties also have the GDD Summit.
14:31:06 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : GNSO now has its own Strategic session in January each year.
14:34:20 From Jonathan Zuck : Holly has typically been the fan of summarizing. We responded to the questions with subproc
14:35:13 From Claudia Ruiz : 9.TIjani
14:37:41 From Jonathan Zuck : I think the scoping will turn out to be important. Ask @Cheryl about the importance of THAT!
14:38:16 From Jonathan Zuck : Exactly, that’s a reason to document it along the way, perhaps?
14:38:58 From Jonathan Zuck : Often the case. People don’t like homework!
14:40:14 From Carlton Samuels : Let the record show my endorsement of the f2f meeting for productive work
14:41:06 From Claudia Ruiz : 10. Dev
14:41:43 From Claudia Ruiz : Next, Cheryl, Greg, Tijani, Dev
14:41:58 From Jonathan Zuck : not about preventing changes but documenting them so it’s more “transparent?”
14:41:59 From Judith Hellerstein : Was able to join as my meetings ended early
14:46:09 From AlanGreenberg : Regarding how other groups do this, we need to remember that we have a VERY unequal multi-stakeholder model where some parties have FAR more power than others, and that there are HUGE amounts of money involved in some positions.
14:47:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Commenters should refer to the draft "Issues List" that reflects input received from the ICANNcommunity about how to improve the effectiveness of ICANN's multistakeholder model. We welcome all comments, and encourage you to focus on the following:
For each issue, or your issues of interest, provide a specific example about how the issue hampers the effectiveness of ICANN's multistakeholder model. Be sure to provide a specific and clear articulation of the issue so that it is clearly and fully defined. Please provide fact-based examples only. If offering a "new" issue to be considered, provide a clear articulation of the issue along with fact-based examples and a rationale about how the issue is hampering the effectiveness of ICANN's multistakeholder model. If you believe that an issue or issues do not belong on the Issues List, provide a rationale as to why the issue or issues should be removed.
Commenters are also invited to offer prioritization of the issues on the Issues List.
14:47:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : prioritization of the issues on the Issues List. When offering prioritization, carefully consider the following:
Issues that, if they are constructively addressed and solutions can be found, would have the greatest impact in making ICANN's multistakeholder model more effective and efficient.
Whether there are interdependencies between any of the issues that you are prioritizing. That is to say, for issue "A" to be addressed a solution for issue "B" must be addressed as well to achieve improvements in the effective functioning of ICANN's multistakeholder model.
Which issues could favorably impact the effectiveness of ICANN's multistakeholder model at a potentially lower cost?
Which issues could favorable impact the effectiveness of ICANN's multistakeholder model without introduction of unnecessary layers of process or bureaucracy?
Which issues could be combined or consolidated because their nature is so similar? When considering consolidating issues, carefully consider whether there are any interdependen
14:47:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=109479220
14:48:50 From Herb Waye : I have to drop out now folks, all the best
14:50:56 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Cheryl. My understanding is that Marita did look at the questions and usefully put them into headings - which makes responding much easier. Asking for everyone to go into detail one all 21 questions is a big ask for people without a lot of time.
14:51:45 From AlanGreenberg : I only mentioned the unequal issue because it means that some solutions that work elsewhere do not work as well here.
14:51:57 From AlanGreenberg : We are not going to fix that here.
14:51:59 From Rudi Daniel : thank you Cheryl..
14:52:04 From Holly Raiche : Good point Alan
14:52:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and that is a matter that is also associated with the advantage of having the At-Large VOice being integrated INTO any processes for Policy Development... A feature of the F2F meeting is that our voice say *if* we were to engage in Policy processes going on in a POlicy Meeting for example then that is to be an advantage from our POV
14:54:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : And at the public session in Marrakech we will be working *with* the revised list so perhaps preparation for the ALAC/At-Large input into that meeting is also a piece of prep work to be addressed in/for our Marrakech meeting...
14:54:32 From Jonathan Zuck : Exactly
14:55:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : AGreed we need to better and more professionally manage the critical control points and the Accountability and transparancy in decision making process points
14:55:20 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : My 2 cents: A big part of this discussion is cultural. What culture are we cultivating in At large and ICANN? How do we practice and show it? how do we talk about it?
14:55:26 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : +1Greg btw
14:56:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we need to use the material we have better *absolutely!!!**
14:56:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : all great point @Greg
14:56:33 From Holly Raiche : +1 Greg
14:57:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : dare I say a agree of predictability is required in and from any agreed process
14:57:29 From Gordon Chillcott : Thank you, Greg.
14:57:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and any of that is a huge **change** in culture and we all know how comfy people are with **change**
14:58:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yes I agree on those risks @Greg I have ben like a canary in the mine on that
14:58:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : been not ben
14:59:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Really important work on this though OCL
14:59:58 From Greg Shatan : Sorry to go on a bit, but being 8th in the list give you a lot of time to think of new stuff.
15:00:15 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : This is an excellent discussion and I am sorry to have to cut this short, but we still have several items still outstanding in the list...
15:00:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well a good CHair or Chairs should be looking at that Tijani
15:00:25 From AlanGreenberg : All (GNSO) groups are open NOW. That may not continue with the reforms the GNSO is looking at.
15:00:31 From Greg Shatan : Tijani -- the model you speak of is very much at risk. Maybe even obsolete, with regard to GNSO PDP Working Groups.
15:00:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as it is the CHairs role to establish consensus
15:01:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and PDP 3.0 is all new in this as well
15:01:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it has always been the case in ccNSO PDP
15:01:23 From Bartlett.Morgan : @Alan even if 'closed' wouldn't that simply be a case of dual membership between At-Large and a relevant GNSO constituency? What am I missing?
15:01:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : representative model used there
15:01:47 From AlanGreenberg : Tijani's statement is not a structural issue, it is a management one that could be addressed now.
15:02:20 From Jonathan Zuck : Agree @Alan, @Tijani
15:02:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Dev every volunteer role I have had for more than 50 years has had that as an issue
15:02:36 From AlanGreenberg : @Bartlett, I don't know what you mean by "dual membership".
15:02:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : issue some of us volunteers are better resourced even from a family support POV to provide better input
15:02:56 From Carlton Samuels : +1 Tijani. The consensus by numbers and the blithe non-recognition of "the interests" is an obvious weakness.
15:03:12 From Bartlett.Morgan : @Alan I mean participating in both At-Large and GNSO
15:03:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : reduce by 1 F2F meeting will do little to effect PDP's that are meeting WEEKLY
15:03:28 From Greg Shatan : Bartlett: The model may involve a given number of seats per group as in the EPDP. Being a member of a GNSO SG or C will not get an ALAC, unless that group puts you up, and then you need to represent their stakeholders' interests -- not the end users.
15:03:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : or in tracks 5-6 times per week
15:03:47 From Bartlett.Morgan : @Alan understood
15:03:48 From Greg Shatan : Sorry -- will not get an ALAC member into a Working Group...
15:04:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I agree with Dev's identity of issue but NOT with his solution
15:04:44 From AlanGreenberg : We almost ended up with no ALACon the EPDP. That could become the norm if some people had their way.
15:04:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but that is a discussion for LATER
15:04:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : INDEED JZ
15:05:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=109479220
15:05:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : read Section 1 if nothing else
15:05:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Marita has a good handle on this IMO
15:05:22 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - agree
15:05:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Who is speaking
15:06:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ahhh connection issues
15:06:04 From Judith Hellerstein : Abdul Karim
15:06:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : he was not noted on the que I gather
15:07:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : well that would not be responding to the questions then Abdul Karim
15:07:20 From Carlton Samuels : Question: Is the number and frequency of meetings a really good measure of the priority or even value of the issue to consensus?
15:08:35 From Holly Raiche : @ Carlton: I think we know the answer - we just need to catch the sentiment
15:09:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : again see https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=109479220
15:09:28 From Jonathan Zuck : Or do both
15:09:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : time is running out
15:10:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : no you do not
15:12:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks everyone for this excellent discussion on Marita's presentation. Really sorry to have to cut this short, but our difficulty is extending interpreter time.
15:13:55 From AlanGreenberg : Regarding our plans for UA, note that Don Hollander has announced that he is leaving.
15:15:19 From Holly Raiche : Sad news about Don - he will be missed. But there is a team that will carry on his commitment
15:15:22 From Bartlett.Morgan : not a fan of the DNS alternatives... still too speculative at this point; All for a MSM Evolution discussion
15:16:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Do remember which topics are in HIT sessions as well
15:16:20 From Holly Raiche : @ Bartlett - the taste out for me from the briefing in Kobe was that the alternatives are being used NOW - so we need to understand the implications
15:16:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : perhaps staff can list these here
15:17:04 From Holly Raiche : +1 JZ
15:17:13 From Greg Shatan : We should be discussing the "live" policy development issues going on around us....
15:17:23 From Holly Raiche : yes greg
15:17:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so both Monday and Tuesday morning the GNSO SubPro PDP sessions are running and the rest of the week many other PDPs are being addressed as well
15:17:57 From Hadia : true it would be good if we could see the HIT as well
15:18:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I thought developing your coming position was what JZ had planned
15:18:41 From Greg Shatan : I will be in the Sub Pro, Work Track 5 and RPM PDP WG meetings, as I am a member of all of those.
15:18:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : common
15:18:45 From Evin Erdoğdu : These were top 5 discussed (#3) was least popular -
15:18:46 From Evin Erdoğdu : 1. DNS over HTTPS (DOH)
- Future of Multistakeholder Model of Governance
- Effectiveness of Specific Review Recommendations
- Universal Acceptance (UA)
- Combined EPDP2, GDPR, WHOIS Accuracy and Unified Access Model (UAM)
15:19:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks for the HIT list
15:19:20 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : I suggest to have a policy training course during Marrakech for ALAC newcomers .
15:19:58 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - we do need briefings to bring everyone up to speed on some issues - BEFORE we can reach consensus
15:20:07 From Jonathan Zuck : we will
15:20:11 From Jose R. Lebron : Agree
15:20:44 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Greg
15:20:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : training is better Inter Sessional than IN the valuable time of a F2F ICANN Meeting IMO
15:21:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : exactly @Greg
15:21:46 From Hadia : +1 greg - discuss the on going policy developments
15:21:47 From Bartlett.Morgan : @Hollie You remember how everybody wanted to discuss the 'life changing' implications of blockchain a year ago; Now we all are starting to realise that the theory was far greater than meaningful application at scale. I'm suggesting that there is no firm indication that DNS via Http etc is likely to have scaled adoption that would require us wearing our At-Large hat to tackle
15:23:04 From Holly Raiche : @ Bartlett - agree. But we need to at least have some understanding. Mind you, the briefing on the topic at ICANN 64 on the topic was really good - just not everyone was ass interested as I (and others?) was
15:24:24 From Greg Shatan : Woo Hoo!
15:24:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
15:25:00 From Holly Raiche : great stuff
15:25:15 From Hadia : @Jonathan great
15:26:55 From AlanGreenberg : Could be wrong, but don't think the PSWG has external participation.
15:27:13 From Jonathan Zuck : Yeah, I don’t know bout that. I’ll ask Laureen
15:27:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yes observers
15:27:32 From AlanGreenberg : I seem to recall that some of their meetings are even closed.
15:27:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : open now I believe AG
15:27:53 From Claudia Ruiz : Sebastien, Holly, Greg
15:28:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but talking points are useful if we are also talking with say our own or other GAC reps informally
15:28:16 From AlanGreenberg : @CLO, yes, I meant in the past.
15:29:34 From Claudia Ruiz : Holly, Greg, Heidi
15:31:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yes we have an hour with ATRT3 on Wed afternoon
15:33:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I would also put the reviews lower in any priority listing
15:33:49 From Jonathan Zuck : meeting in Morocco?
15:34:55 From ALBERTO SOTO : raised hand
15:35:06 From Greg Shatan : @JZ Mission accepted.
15:37:03 From Greg Shatan : I need to drop off as I must travel to another meeting (with people in a room!). Bye all!
15:37:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yes we are looking for INTERACTION in the meeting with ART3 and the ALAC/At-Large
15:37:13 From AlanGreenberg : Do we have anything from ATRT3 (or will we) before the meeting?
15:37:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we will send a few general questions for you to consider in advance though
15:37:28 From ALBERTO SOTO : raised hand
15:37:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : See CHat JZ
15:39:11 From ALBERTO SOTO : raised hand
15:39:12 From AlanGreenberg : Recall that Brian Cute chaired ATRT1 and ATRT2
15:39:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Fine
15:39:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed @AG
15:39:45 From Marita Moll : Sorry folks. Have to leave now for another appointment. Thanks for all your great participation in the MS model. I will will be reviewing everything in the next couple of days
15:40:11 From AlanGreenberg : I have to leave as well. Bye.
15:40:16 From Judith Hellerstein : have to leave for another meeting now since the call ran over 90minutes
15:40:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye @Marita and THANKS for all your progress in the Evolution of Gov Model work
15:40:28 From Glenn : Me too, i need to go back to other projects
15:41:08 From Jose R. Lebron : Need to leave. Bye
15:41:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye to those leaving now
15:42:48 From Sebastien Bachollet : Link to the letter?
15:43:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : the letter is in the agenda
15:43:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and now Bye to all... Lots done today :-)
15:44:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks everyone
15:45:49 From Jonathan Zuck : You MATTER, CLO!
15:46:07 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : bye to all!
15:46:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all
15:46:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes THANKS interpreter team
15:46:14 From ALBERTO SOTO : Thanks, bye bye!!
15:46:17 From avri doria : bye, thanks
15:46:18 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : Thanks everyone bye
