Seun Ojedeji:For the record I am fine with the current wording at least noting gets over-ruled without the originating PDP supporting, I however don't think its appropriate in the first place for any SO/AC to petition such as i believe the PDP itself is an MS process.

Sébastien:Not agree Seun

Sébastien:In each SO there is no all the stakeholder taking the decision

Seun Ojedeji:@Sebastien it is not appropriate to wait to use the power on the outcome of a PDP, we should rather find out why we are not getting involved in the PDP in the first place (so our views can be adequately reflected in its outcome)

Sébastien:But it is not always posible

Sébastien:Some are not develope "in" ICANN

Sébastien:THerefor some other SO/AC are not included before a Board decision

Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier +1, important point.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:If the CCWG is stubborn enough to put forward something that has been highly objectioned by the Board, I've given up.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:but I can tell you that this spells the doom for ICANN

Terri Agnew:finding line

Avri Doria:But ALAC does have a Board member. And I think it is as likely to use this power as any of the SOs. And they are already politicians.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:because we end up with politicians on the Board and the only Board members that will have more power than others will be the NomCom selected Board members. If SOs and ACs are happy to make their Board member less relevant, then good for the

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Avri: when we have a Board member we support them. If we do not like their performance we select someone else 3 years later. I find it insulting to a Board member to remove them there and then using this power. IMHO it is ludicrous.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:that's of course all due to the FUD that the CCWG's loud moouths have been serving us all along the past 12 months: the Board is evil. The Boar is rogue. The Board is not to be trusted.

Seun Ojedeji:I am fine with removing board members but not with removing them by the appointing entity. That IMO takes ICANN to a whole new level post-transition

Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Tijani +1;

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Seun: we are building ICANN's doom, that's what we are doing. We are turning this organisation into a Trade organisation that will simply serve the domain name industry. Accountability? What acountability? The communities of ICANN are far from accountable and they are going to end up driving this organisation to the ground, which is what their end plan is.

Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier +1 very strongly.

Terri Agnew:Welcome Leon Sanchez

Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone

Leon Sanchez:My apologies for coming in late

Leon Sanchez:We had a power outage in my area and power just came in

Leon Sanchez:I was uncomunicated literally

Terri Agnew:finding line

tijani BEN JEMAA:dropped

Terri Agnew:@Tijani, we are dialing back out to you

Terri Agnew:Tijani is back on audio

Seun Ojedeji:lost audio but back @ Sebastien, the PDP outside ICANN is MS in nature and AtLarge for that matter has a number of people participating in them. If we need to participate more then we should. @Olivier i agree with you 100% but what can we do at this stage

Sébastien:@Seun not possible easely for ALAC

Terri Agnew:@Seun, unable to hear you

Terri Agnew:@Seun, we can hear you

Heidi Ullrich:I will need to drop off the call now Will remain in the AC.

Leon Sanchez:We will be asking for legal advice on that end

Jean-Jacques Subrenat:All: sorry, I must leave this call now. Wishing you a nice day or evening!

Terri Agnew:goodbye Jean-Jacques

Seun Ojedeji:That last bullet point is something we should right in bold ;-)

Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Bye!

Terri Agnew:Interpreters can stay up to 15 minutes past scheduled duration

tijani BEN JEMAA:I have to run now

tijani BEN JEMAA:I suggest that we stop at 15:30 UTC sharp

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:there is wording creep

Gordon Chillcott:I would accept a statement of concerns.

Seun Ojedeji:On a lighter note, i noticed that some of the comments of the board on the mission statement did not reflect in the final draft, even though it came in much before the release of the document.

cheryl:ny line has dropped

tijani BEN JEMAA:we are out of the time

tijani BEN JEMAA:I really have to leave

Terri Agnew:@Cheryl, dialing back out to you

Leon Sanchez:Power here comes and goes so I'm in and out of the AC room at times

Terri Agnew:goodbye Tijani

Terri Agnew:@Leon, would a dial out be best at this time?

Seun Ojedeji:It may be good for ALAC to consider if they intend to support some of their comments as i think some of them are quite reasonable

Leon Sanchez:Thanks Terri but I'm in a noisy background

Avri Doria:We are doing most all of the WS1 in one year. We should be able to do Rec 6.

Avri Doria:Its the CSG that will be the issue.

Avri Doria:in the GNSO

Leon Sanchez:It would be the FoI for implementing the bylaw

Leon Sanchez:I think a year, if the community presses enough, could be feasible

Avri Doria:No they are not!

Avri Doria:International law does not cover corporations

Leon Sanchez:What's written is a commitment to abide to international law. If commitment fails to be respected, then community powers could be excercised

cheryl:like many things in all of this on HR THE WORK UST CONTINOE...

Avri Doria:If we dont wish it to happen, we will get the work done.

cheryl:sorrytyping in the dark

Seun Ojedeji:Okay i have to go, will remain on Audio only

Avri Doria:The human rights work is just getting into gear.

Terri Agnew:goodbye Seun

Avri Doria:We absolutely need an interim bylaw.

Seun Ojedeji:@Staff please don't redial if my audio disconnects as i will be driving. Thanks

Terri Agnew:@Seun, will do

cheryl:agree with you Avri

Terri Agnew:**5 minutes left

Avri Doria:I will agitate for non adoption of the accountabilty if this isn't there. This is my die on a sword issue

Gordon Chillcott:Do we really want to put a deadline in a bylaw?

Leon Sanchez:I agree Avri

Avri Doria:yes

Avri Doria:we need a deadline otherwise it will drag on for centuries

cheryl:reconvene

Leon Sanchez:This has been, as all other issues in the proposal, product of an enormous effort and consensus was

Leon Sanchez:VERY difficult to achieve on this issue

Avri Doria:join in the work in the Cross community working party on human rights and coporate repsonsiblity - we will continue working on this until it is done

Leon Sanchez:Is that an invitation for me Avri? or a general one?

Leon Sanchez:There will be one more webinar on the 16

Leon Sanchez:just a heads-up

Leon Sanchez:ok

Terri Agnew:Webinar-CCWG Accountability on Wednesday, 16 December at 20:00 - 21:30 UTC

cheryl:bye for now then.... talk again soon... *understatment*

Loris Taylor:Thank you

Leon Sanchez:thanks everyone!

Leon Sanchez:bye

Eduardo Diaz:GRacias

Gordon Chillcott:Bye for now.

cheryl:remember we still have implementation on all this to come as well team

Leon Sanchez:thanks again everyone!

Leon Sanchez:bye

cheryl:byr

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