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Gisella Gruber-White: (3/11/2014 00:44) Welcome to the At-Large Metrics Working Group call on Tuesday 11 Marche 2014 at 1700 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White: (00:44) Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/bBPRAg
Maureen Hilyard: (17:55) Very C\clear, Olivier
Maureen Hilyard: (17:55) clear
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:55) Spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19rU49FF2N4jD5cxQLDAJgXKXXFYMFN5bpGdUTwdYVE0/edit?usp=sharing
Julia Charvolen: (18:01) Alan Greenberg joined the meeting
Maureen Hilyard: (18:02) I have used the wiki page..
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:02) good @Maureen
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:03) so @dev will upload his own docs
Silvia Vivanco: (18:03) @ Dev please upload the doc
Silvia Vivanco: (18:04) I will try to get the WIKI page I created (if my laptop does not crash again )
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:04) that screech really hurt
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:05) I actually ripped the headset off my head
Maureen Hilyard: (18:05) the wiki page is https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Metrics+Working+Group+Reporting+and+Resources+for+Singapore+meeting
Silvia Vivanco: (18:05) Thank you Maureen!
Silvia Vivanco: (18:06) there is the wiki CLO
Glenn McKnight: (18:08) My phone is muted
Glenn McKnight: (18:08) It's to do with the comments with Dev
Julia Charvolen: (18:08) Maureen you are host if you wish to move the slides
Glenn McKnight: (18:08) THe main ideas has to do witht the Metric reporting protocal we discussed with the Technical Taskforce
Glenn McKnight: (18:09) How can I zoom into the slides?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:09) great thanks@glenn just wanted to make sure whatever uoi were with us for was properly integrated ...
Glenn McKnight: (18:10) no problem. I have provided general comments before as Maureen has indicated
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:10) in my system which is a mobile app I double tap @glenn
Glenn McKnight: (18:12) Got a full screen of the slides but no chat screen. It's either screen
Glenn McKnight: (18:12) yes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (18:12) Can hear you Alan
Julia Charvolen: (18:13) Glenn- did you click on full screen?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:13) I think everyone received this message
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:14) but now we can!
Glenn McKnight: (18:17) Most slides are fine except the spreadsheet which was hard to view
Alan: (18:18) Random muters are at large!
Glenn McKnight: (18:21) Alan, Time heals all wounds
Alan: (18:23) That an people moving on...
Glenn McKnight: (18:25) @Olivier I think Dev is trying to do this
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:27) Dev's not even a Green all along. Dev's Gold.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:29) as I said we need to take out key man insurance on him
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (18:29) ;-)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:31) and if volunteering, do not let your community down.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:32) we should think about cloning Dev. :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:33) actually I can probably
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:33) y arrange for that
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:33) do you need a contact to contract OCL?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:42) LOL
Silvia Vivanco: (18:50) @ Alan correct non attendance tells us no interest
Silvia Vivanco: (18:50) so yes you are correct attendance has a value
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:51) agree @tijani it is an important if not critical factor of performance metrics but not a qualitative one that is needed as well
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:52) I think this kind of metric about the worth of a contribution makes uses of a mix of artificial intelligence, neural networks, fuzzy logic and particle physics. Using the Higgs-Boson extrapolation of the half life of Curium plus a few other dozen derivatives of solar elipse radii and including principles of quantum chemistry, multiplied by the entropy of dragon saliva. A piece of cake for Dev to program into an Excel worksheet.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (18:54) of course OCL. he'll have that done by London
Silvia Vivanco: (18:56) :) :)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:58) what I'm oviously saying is that I would find it very hard to measure the worth of someone's participation and their impact.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (18:58) ;-)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (18:58) unless there is the constant monitoring of the "temperature of the room"
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:58) perhaps might you all think of something a bit more subjective, that is a regular peer review?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (18:59) this involves humans & it pretty fair on each other.
Alan: (19:01) I was just randomly muted by Adigo again! (my phone was already physically muted).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:02) @alan that is a tad odd
Maureen Hilyard: (19:07) I agree with you all,. remove the last point and keep the recommendations positive
baudouin.schombe: (19:10) hello good evening to all
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (19:12) I believe that the "your line has been muted" is actually coming from someone's phone who is muting, leaking onto the Adobe and telling everyone they have been muted when they have not really been muted.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (19:13) I could hear you last time, Alan, when you said you had been muted.
Alan: (19:19) @ Olivier. I unmuted myself before I started speaking.
Glenn McKnight: (19:19) @dev
Glenn McKnight: (19:20) @Dev I missed your comments Had to be on a ISOC Call just got back
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:20) @dev is to come glenn
Glenn McKnight: (19:21) Thanks
Maureen Hilyard: (19:24) Good point Tijani, all wiki pages associated with a particular group should be listed on the main wiki page so you can find the other pages! For example trying to find the Singapore Metrics wiki page :)
Maureen Hilyard: (19:25) You may not actually contribute to an ALAC meeting, but your wiki could state what messages you take to the RALO or to your ALS
Maureen Hilyard: (19:27) A report by the ALAC member could also record what meetings that they actually attend.. many ALAC members apply to participate in some working groups and then don't ever turn up - but this could be because they are committing more to other groups - and havent removed their names from original lists
Alan: (19:28) Tijani, I agree completely that these measures send a message. But what I was getting at was that we probalby do need those reports to recognize that there is a problem. Those numbers may verify it and give us something to focus a discussion on.
Glenn McKnight: (19:28) On working groups. It's critical that the WG participants do monthly reports back to the RALO's , very few reports. I think NOMCOM is the most effective in providing reports
Gisella Gruber-White: (19:28) All good staff side
Silvia Vivanco: (19:29) yes Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:30) np understood my friend
Glenn McKnight: (19:30) For NARALO we ask for monthly reports from Working Committees but we get very little feedback
Glenn McKnight: (19:31) Perhaps a basic report form is needed
Maureen Hilyard: (19:31) I can reduce my time on my slides to 5 minutes, so others slides can be added to it and add 2 minutes each? How long have we got/
Glenn McKnight: (19:33) Kudo's to Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:33) acceptedgracefully @glenn
Silvia Vivanco: (19:35) @ Dev how long did it take you to do this? men hours
Maureen Hilyard: (19:37) Good idea Dev.. to obscure the names unless you have specific permission
Silvia Vivanco: (19:38) We have to have attendance records of face to face meetings
Maureen Hilyard: (19:38) The pages are probably there, but they are difficult to find because they are not linked in any way to the main page
Maureen Hilyard: (19:46) Can all this be automated, Dev?
Glenn McKnight: (19:46) Its prudent to block out the names but it's the methodology that is important
Glenn McKnight: (19:46) No witchhunt
Glenn McKnight: (19:46) Evan Lubavitch ?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:48) OMG
Glenn McKnight: (19:48) Quantity vs Quality
Maureen Hilyard: (19:48) Exactly !! Do you think Silvia and Gisella could handle this?
Glenn McKnight: (19:49) Need to avoid the problem similar to the US Teaching system which focuses on the numbers and not on education
Glenn McKnight: (19:49) Information vs data
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (19:51) INDEED@glenn
Silvia Vivanco: (19:52) @ Maureen what exactly do you need us to work on?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (19:53) A proposal template for Meeting WG pages has been proposed on the Technology Taskforce List
Maureen Hilyard: (19:54) Silvia, I wanted to know how you were going to cope with collecting Dev's data - jokingly :)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (19:54) which looks at how the meeting information is better structured for easier retrieval
Silvia Vivanco: (19:54) ahhh
Silvia Vivanco: (19:54) I wanted to know how long it took him to do this
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (19:55) a few all nighters
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (19:55) on getting the spreadsheets setup, and validating the information
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (19:56) but once setup, it would be easier to collate data for other years
Silvia Vivanco: (19:56) @ Dev what can be automated
Silvia Vivanco: (19:56) yes!
Silvia Vivanco: (19:56) so if you come up with a template and see where we automated ...it might work
Silvia Vivanco: (19:57) we should see
Maureen Hilyard: (19:57) Great Cheryl.. so I can start at Slide 7 when it comes to the feedback that means my sesion will be 2 minutes
Maureen Hilyard: (19:57) so Dev and Tijani can send me their slides to add to this presentatino
Silvia Vivanco: (19:57) correct noted CLO
Silvia Vivanco: (19:58) got it
Silvia Vivanco: (19:59) Yes thank you to the entire WG!
Glenn McKnight: (19:59) Thanks for permitting to join today.
Glenn McKnight: (19:59) Bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (20:00) bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (20:00) THANKS
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:00) Thanks everyone - take care all