Zoom chat: 2021-07-27 ALAC Monthly Teleconference

18:42:47 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
Welcome to the ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 27 July 2021 at 02:00 UTC
19:00:12 From iPad (27)Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Hi everyone
19:00:35 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Hi Vanda and everyone.. great to see you here!! :)
19:00:42 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Hi Vanda - and everyone
19:01:17 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Hello everyone
19:01:27 From iPad (27)Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Finally se Finnish NomCom !
19:01:54 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
hi everyone
19:02:06 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
greetings from India
19:02:09 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone:
Hello everyone
19:02:17 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Welcome to the July ALAC monthly call.
19:02:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes Vanda... Congratulations on that to you and the rest of the At-Large Team on the job d
19:02:56 From iPad (27)Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Thanks Cheryl great group of candidates
19:04:34 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
I’m going to log off and on again - can’t hear through my headphones
19:05:09 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Maureen's voice seems very choppy.
19:06:02 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Sorry I was a few minutes late
19:06:07 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
Maureen's voice sounds fine
19:06:08 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Noted, Justine and Maureen.
19:06:09 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
it is fine for me
19:06:13 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
i have no issue
19:06:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Audio is OK for me
19:06:18 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
It is a bit choppy
19:06:22 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
i have no issue as well
19:06:24 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Sounds ok to me...
19:06:42 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
ICANN 71 AIs - https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+and+At-Large+Action+Items+from+ICANN71
19:06:55 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
it seems that the people who find it choppy are on amigo only and not on zoom for the audio
19:07:19 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Staff provide short summaries for ICANN Meetings.
19:07:29 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Heidi - could I have a dial out please - thanks
19:07:52 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Noted, Holly.
19:09:25 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
@Holly, we are dialing out to you
19:10:50 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
thanks
19:11:48 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Kindly share the link to the letter. I can’t seem to find it on the website
19:13:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Seems like the situation has been efficiently and effectively managed after the regrettable misalignment of actions and expectations then...
19:14:17 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
The last bit of published correspondence on the ccNSO Web site dates from 5 July 2020
19:15:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Ahh thanks I was wondering about that is it links to Rec 16 or ARIWG work and our last outstanding matter re certain metrics
19:18:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Surely working with the best efforts of respect is the key to all our interactions both between parts of ICANN and internally
19:18:52 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We DO know what was said, that was incorrect
19:20:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
if we learn of a "discomfort' occurring then we should surely do our best to courteously and respectfully rectify any misunderstandings if and when they occur if this has been done then well done ALAC Leadership in promptly doing so...
19:20:21 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
+1 Cheryl
19:20:45 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you for sharing, Holly
19:21:17 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
But ccNSO mentioned that other participants also gave information that was incorrect about their ccTLDs
19:21:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
1. Confusion between CC and CX 2. Perhaps out of date information about CC 3. Somewhat disparaging remarks about Verisign's stewardship, also perhaps a bit out of date
19:22:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Well noted @Alan
19:22:26 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thanks for the summary, Jonathan. This helps
19:22:28 From Roberto to Everyone:
+1 Alan
19:22:39 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
It came up during the CPH DNS Abuse WG call, just fyi.
19:23:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks @JZ
19:25:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes David is pivotal to that specific conversation re CRM's internal use to benefit access to our required Metrics under Rec 16 etc.,
19:25:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
but if he has asked Heidi to run with this seems like we have a plan...
19:25:48 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
There is a Metrics Subcommittee too
19:26:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
And @Justine that is integrated
19:26:24 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JZ - what Pat Kane of Version acknowledges was that the CocosIsland name they manage had, until a year or so, been a site of a lot of serious abuse - which he acknowledged and said they have taken steps to clean it up.
19:26:47 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
(Versign - my computer keeps correcting
19:26:47 From Barrack Otieno to Everyone:
My conclusion of that matter is that the issue has created creative tension which opens room for further and better engagement on the issues discussed between the ALAC and the ccNSO. This was my submission to the ccNSO despite the discomfort expressed. There was timely response from the ALAC Leadership, the process in the ccNSO to address the issue was a bit lengthy
19:29:32 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Announcement re IcANN72/CANN73: https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-general-meeting-icann73-planning-update-15-7-2021-en
19:29:41 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks Barrack - and yes, it does raise the issue of DNS Abuse
19:30:30 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone:
https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/board-action-and-next-steps-on-the-ssr2-review-26-7-2021-en
19:37:21 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Thank you @Leon, we look forward to more effective interaction with the Board.
19:39:20 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
I would welcome the opportunity to go back to face2face meetings
19:40:59 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Leon, I would say, "All may be willing but probably not able" to return to F2F meetings. Thumbs up for hybrid.
19:41:15 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
+1 Justine
19:42:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks Léon, I am still going through the SSRT2 Board action scorecard and the Rationale (which is detailed) but as noted in Skype chat the Board action and blog is timely for some work within a Small Team of the OFB-WG at the moment...
19:42:08 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
In order to include the world, hybrid seems the only option.
19:42:27 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
On site, COVID testing. those tests are pretty quick now. We could require a negative test, on site, to be admitted to the venue. Most of the folks who travel of ICANN meetings have the means to get a vaccine or to keep themselves quarantined, at the very least.
19:42:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Re Covid-19 issue and future ICANN meetings I fully support the views expressed in the recent letter from the APAC Space
19:42:56 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
yep border closed again
19:43:08 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We don't need to take an entire country into consideration. We all have unvaccinated communities.
19:43:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Australia is the lowest Vacc level in the OECD
19:43:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
less than 50% of even the over 60yo in Australia have been able to get even a 1st injection
19:44:09 From Roberto to Everyone:
Looking forward to F2F but must be aware that some parts of the world will be at disadvantage because the sanitary situation will still not be good - so we must make sure that the level of participation online will be such as not to have online participation as a lower quality - I understand that it is difficult to do, but that is what ICANN should aim at
19:44:47 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
+1 roberto
19:44:52 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Leon, allow me to clarify, "All may be willing but probably not all are able" to return to F2F meetings, so I definitely support a hybrid approach.
19:45:08 From iPad (27)Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Hybrid meetings with vaccinated and tested can join but same facility for anyone participating same way people needs to be vaccinated for malaria or yellow fever we all will need to be vaccinated for COVID related virus
19:45:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
I think that's impossible Roberto. It will always be a lower quality experience to be remote (no side meetings and bad timezone issues)
19:47:55 From Roberto to Everyone:
@JZ I acknowledge that, but we must try hard to reduce the difference - even without COVID, there are communities that are disadvantaged, we must try to reduce the disadvantage and build a level playing field as much as possible, even if it will never be perfect
19:49:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Roberto, we should always be trying to improve the experience of remote participants. No question. I'm not sure we should be eroding the in-person experience to equalize the two. It's just not practice. ICANN meetings are quickly becoming irrelevant.
19:49:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
We should note @Roberto/@JZ also that over the last year+ ICANN Remote meetings have improved signitantly trick is to keep it up in any hybrid future mode
19:49:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Keep it up and keep improving
19:50:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes @Sarah and many countries have quite strict travel restrictions incoming and outgoing in addition to Visa challenges
19:50:52 From Roberto to Everyone:
Exactly @CLO - not fall into the trap of believing that when the emergency is over things will be fully “back to normal”
19:51:40 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
+1 Jonathan
19:52:05 From Shreedeep Rayamajhi to Everyone:
the problem is not just the travel restriction but the unpredictability.
I hope this ends soon
19:52:30 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone:
Only a very good improvement on language services
19:52:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Agreed, @Seb
19:52:44 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
The AGM is going to be particularly tough as it is so long.
19:53:06 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
there is much less "depth" to the ICANN meeting these days because of the limitation on the number of sessions that can be organised without exhausting an online audience
19:53:15 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Challenges include the "vaccine passport" (meaning which vaccines are accepted for such a passport).
19:53:21 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
so it's a tough call for the ICANN Board
19:54:20 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Justine, that's why I think we just need on-site testing. Everything else can be fabricated.
19:54:59 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
BTW -- a quick note on the "vaccine passports" --- I have recently used my French vaccine passport and guess what, it seems the QR codes in each country has a different format and it did not work abroad and vice versa… so we're still some distance from a worldwide QR format. You'd think it would be easy, but it seems to be a challenge….
19:55:03 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
@Jonathan, the issue is that one can’t even depart the country with the “wrong vaccine” for the passport
19:55:07 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Why is it that there is no transcript this time for the meeting
19:55:07 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@JZ, that may not be something that ICANN has control over. It's country policy.
19:55:09 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Many countries require testing just to get in.
19:55:39 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Many thanks, Leon.
19:56:02 From Roberto to Everyone:
@OCL - are you surprised?
19:56:04 From Aïcha Abbad to Everyone:
merci Leon
19:56:10 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Agree, Alan
19:58:27 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thanks all. Very useful input and good discussion
20:00:01 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
It's also pretty easy to create THIS system in Salesforce, fairly cheaply. Doing a custom build for this functionality is pretty silly
20:02:33 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@JZ - did you comment on this draft to that effect (perhaps more politely - or do you think that is implied?
20:07:36 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
This is very useful too Alan. Thanks
20:09:38 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
well done
20:09:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks @Alan/@Hadia this seems a very solid document for consideration as Advice IMO...
20:10:15 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Thanks, @Alan and @Hadia on the ALAC SSAC advice draft
20:10:22 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Holly, I guess I think it's implied but I'll go over the draft again. Most of the benefits of what is being proposed can be accomplished with a simple ticketing system.
20:10:54 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
This seems to hint that part of those for which the system was designed for, don’t see the system as useful and rather have it rejected than spent a huge amount of money on something that will not likely deliver?
20:11:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@JZ - agreed - I think that is what the final paragraphs o the statement say
20:11:14 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Noted Alan and Maureen - thank you
20:12:35 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Do you want a quick update on the OFBC WG?
20:13:06 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Also - what about at least a mention of the ATRT3 recommendation for a holistic review?
20:13:58 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
@Leon, in reply to your comment "This seems to hint...", I hope what we are saying is more than a hint. We cannot speak on behalf of these other groups, but the words we are hearing are very clear. And I hope the Board will actively go out and hear their comments.
20:14:16 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Holly... yes quick 2 min summary of OFBWG
20:14:24 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
activities
20:14:42 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thanks Alan. I can assure you the Board is hearing to everyone and taking into account all input :-)
20:15:01 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
I need to drop. Thanks everyone again for having me!
20:15:09 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
It’s been a pleasure as usual
20:15:09 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Thank you, Leon.
20:15:13 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
Thank you, Leon
20:15:16 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thanks, Leon!
20:15:20 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thank you all
20:16:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Fair point on that title etc., @Justine
20:16:19 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you Justine, I can clarify/specify the subheadings when RALO statements are drafted and adopted, noting ALAC involvement.
20:16:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
poor audio
20:18:21 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
OFB-WG workspace: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=132940946
20:19:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Re update from the ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council... The July GNSO meeting I have updated the Wiki space with the two Resolutions, and more details relating to the discussion and briefing items will be added with the minutes once released, please see https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/GNSO+Liaison+Reports
20:20:00 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
The OFB-WG has been focusing on the FY22-26 Operational Initiatives. They identified their top five priorities. There will be two workshops with the Planning Dept in August.
20:21:36 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone:
I wanted to say few words about NomCom 21
20:21:42 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
I am an apology for all meetings on saturday oct 23
20:22:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Tat is VERY short time for plenary topics to come in!
20:28:00 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
APRALO Webinar on IDNs is happening later today (27 July) at 08:00 UTC; pre-registration needed: https://icann.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJYuc-CgqzsrHNCd0DvDPRb2FBLgLQ0GVVDP [icann.zoom.us]
20:28:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes ALAC has the rare benefit of having 4 shepherds to ATRT3 at their disposal
20:28:54 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Sarah is hosting a universal access session as well
20:29:32 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
It's easy to handle a 3 week meeting. Just ignore most of it!
20:29:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-)
20:29:42 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
+1 Alan
20:30:04 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
And that's what's basically happening. ICANN meetings are becoming a joke, unfortunately
20:30:05 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Thanks and bye!
20:30:05 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you all!
20:30:05 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Many thanks.
20:30:08 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you all
20:30:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for now then
20:30:10 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Especially if it is during your night!
20:30:14 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Thanks and bye to all
20:30:14 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Bye all
20:30:17 From pari esfandiari to Everyone:
Thank you everyone
20:30:19 From Roberto to Everyone:
bye
20:30:23 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
bye all
20:30:24 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Thanks
20:30:25 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone:
Thanks all
20:30:26 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
thanks all
20:30:27 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Bye!
20:30:27 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone:
Bye