Zoom chat: 2021-01-18 Unaffiliated Individuals Mobilization Working Party Call

17:59:33 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : Hello everyone
17:59:58 From David Mackey to Everyone : Hi Silvia, Hi Everyone
18:00:03 From Esther Patricia Akello to Everyone : hello everyone
18:03:19 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
18:06:12 From Gisella Gruber to Everyone : Welcome Nadira!
18:06:29 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : thanks Gisella
18:07:08 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Please send the google docs link of the draft report to the Chat. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:08:50 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : LACRALO is also planning to organize all individuals in one ALS
18:09:59 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : @Silvia, My feeling is that we should discourage that since it makes the situation more complex.
18:11:23 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Gopal, it is in the agenda. It is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TM8If-lLOh88HzhRPJOGnxqzng_8V6Rsq_Nod4NpGaE/edit
18:13:39 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : @ Alan, LACRALO rules state that all individual members shall be deemed members of a single ALS of individuals
18:13:54 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : @Alan, is EURALO going to change their current practice.. also APRALO which also has one group and they choose their voting member.
18:14:08 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : @Alan, it can also be argued that a EURALO-type solution makes the situation less complex. Independent members form just a non-geographic At Large Structure.
18:15:39 From Gisella Gruber to Everyone : Welcome Christopher
18:18:41 From Gisella Gruber to Everyone : Welcome Natalia
18:19:38 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : Hello all! My apologies, I am running from another working call
18:19:43 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : @Yrjo, I was referring to the complexity of writing the rule (and ALAC RoP).
18:19:45 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : hi Gisella!
18:20:34 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Agree to adding the paragraph
18:20:54 From David Mackey to Everyone : I have a hand up
18:21:15 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Deferred Action may be considered in two contexts: "Regret Window" for an action & "Benefit of Doubt" Conditions. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:22:20 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : I do agree with David
18:24:47 From David Mackey to Everyone : I agree with the working “to consider”
18:24:50 From David Mackey to Everyone : wording
18:25:12 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : thanks Alan for your clarifications
18:26:19 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 Alan
18:26:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : to aaaaaaaat
18:26:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : sorry At-Large in general
18:28:29 From Gisella Gruber to Everyone : Welcome Bill
18:30:38 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : @alan I would support that
18:31:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : specific and occasional reaffirmation makes sense to me
18:33:53 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : Under What we will expect from Individuals, under 7 : AI: Keep RALOs informed through an Annual Report
18:34:31 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : Ok
18:34:35 From Silvia Vivanco to Everyone : thank you!
18:35:38 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Technical Question: Is there a way of RALO maintaining a "Bounce History" of the registered mail Id ? - Dr. T V Gopal
18:37:28 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : An annual report from each individual member? Really?
18:37:36 From David Mackey to Everyone : wording? “to engage and/or support the policy development process”
18:38:11 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : +1 David
18:38:40 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : The silent majority is an unspecified large group of people in a country or group who do not express their opinions publicly. This should be fine for Individual Members. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:38:44 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : but we use "we expect" - it`s true. Not required
18:40:27 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Saying that the rules will apply is fine presuming we give them a grace period to comply.
18:41:17 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : The real question is there a implication of an unreasonable expectation for existing members.
18:41:30 From David Mackey to Everyone : I have a raised hand before moving on. Thanks
18:43:32 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : The contexts for going into the "Silent Majority" are those where the risk is being dubbed "Whistle Blowers" and / or taking time to form a good number of people around "truth" in a larger community. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:49:40 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : I say we leave it to each rail to determine the rules
18:50:17 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Yes *RALO
18:50:35 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : autocorrect changed it to rail
18:50:47 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : I agree with Judith. Observer may be left to the discretion of RALO. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:51:26 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : I think we considered “agree to follow” the rules
18:51:45 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Not a specialist in semantics but I would rather go with “agree” instead of acknowledge
18:51:58 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : In India, "Observer" is usually termed "Special Invitee" and it is best left to the context operations on the effectiveness. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:52:06 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : I agree with Sarah
18:52:14 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : agree with "agree to follow"
18:52:37 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 @Sarah +1 @Natalia
18:53:46 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : I recommend omitting the phrase.
18:53:53 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 @Alan
18:54:05 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : +1 Sarah
18:54:27 From Roberto to Everyone : I agree to strike out observer
18:54:48 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 Sébastian
18:55:12 From David Mackey to Everyone : oops Sébastien
18:55:36 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : "afree to follow applicable RALO rules" does not in any way imply you think that they are good rules or promise not to try to change them.
18:55:46 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : "agree to,,,"
18:56:15 From David Mackey to Everyone : Agreeing to the rules, allows the rules to be changed within change rules
18:56:26 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : :-)
18:56:31 From David Mackey to Everyone : hmmm, hard to express that clearly
18:56:45 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : It`s absolutely true @Alan. But it is the only way to come in. To become a leader and try to change then-)
18:57:14 From David Mackey to Everyone : +1 Sébastien +1 Alan
18:57:28 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Old quip: Rules are the Fools. However, if we follow the rules one may end up only as a fool and nothing worse. - Dr. T V Gopal
18:59:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : v
18:59:28 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone : Sorry for the typo: Old Quip: Rules are for the Fools. - Dr. T V Gopal
19:00:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thanks everyone... Bye for now
19:00:31 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : Thank you Roberto and all, interesting call. See you, take care!
19:00:32 From David Mackey to Everyone : Thanks Roberto, Bye All
19:00:34 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Thank you everyone. Bye
19:00:36 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : bye all
19:04:14 From Esther Patricia Akello to Everyone : bye all