Zoom chat: 2020-11-25 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

19:36:25 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 17:00 UTC.
19:36:36 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/UAUNCQ
19:45:11 From Captioner - Bonnie : Hello! May I please have captioning privileges?
19:45:32 From Yesim Nazlar : Hi Bonnie - done :)
19:46:35 From Captioner - Bonnie : Thanks so much! The captioning is all set. :)
19:47:42 From Yesim Nazlar : Thanks Bonnie!
19:52:17 From Priyatosh Jana : Hi everyone
19:53:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi all
19:54:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : make sure YOU keep up your own standards at least @OCL
19:57:05 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE CAPDA CAMEROUN : Hi everyone
19:59:05 From Matthias : hello 
20:00:32 From Raymond Mamattah : Good evening from Accra, Ghana.
20:01:03 From hadia Elminiawi : Hi all
20:02:42 From Maureen Hilyard : Unfortunately I will have to leave half way through this call as well, my apologies.
20:02:48 From Herb Waye Ombuds : Greetings from the Ombuds team… hope everyone is healthy and safe.
20:02:59 From Sébastien Bachollet : The Ombuds is not from ICANN Staff, sorry
20:03:02 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
20:04:16 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Hello everyone
20:06:41 From Herb Waye Ombuds : And happy to be with you all
20:07:15 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE CAPDA CAMEROUN : Thank Herb
20:08:36 From Alan Greenberg : Sorry to be late.
20:11:02 From Alan Greenberg : It is two separate, but they are linked.
20:11:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correcg 7
20:11:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : correct
20:13:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Alan - is this a new hand?
20:16:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The Board Liaisons were very particular to state these were *NOT* comments but rather clarifying questions for the WG's consideration and hopefully some responses showing what we have considered (or not) in the PDP
20:17:17 From avri doria : indeed
20:18:32 From avri doria : Cheryl, and hopefully some well considered recommendations too.
20:19:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we (the PDP-WG) can but try @Avri ;-)
20:20:00 From Matthias : https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/11/icann-can-stand-against-censorship-and-avoid-another-org-debacle-keeping-content
20:20:04 From Matthias : this one
20:21:04 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : yes @Matthias
20:21:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly @Justine we are reviewing PC's received NIT general press clippings
20:21:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : NOT (typo ;-)
20:23:03 From avri doria : we are no so much saying " may not be enforceable" (though this may be the case) but asking under what understanding are they enforceable.
20:23:32 From avri doria : … under what consensus understanding ...
20:23:58 From Alan Greenberg : @Avri, correct, sorry to put word in your (collective) month. BUt ICANN Org HAS stated that at time.
20:26:34 From avri doria : there are contractual issues and there are policy issues.
20:26:36 From Bill Jouris : Do contracts need to specify HOW particular provisions will be enforced?
20:27:00 From hadia Elminiawi : Sorry I was disconnected - back again
20:27:34 From Alan Greenberg : It is not an issue of whether the contracts are enforceable, under law, but whether ICANN Org CHOOSES to attempt to enforce them.
20:28:28 From avri doria : and as we said, there are two questions: what can ICANN agree to in a contract (policy ) and what can be enforced (objectivity and law)
20:33:53 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Alan - and Michael on the issue of third party beneficiaries.
20:34:26 From Evin Erdogdu : ALAC Advice to the ICANN Board on Subsequent Procedures and ALAC Minority Statement for SubPro PDP Final Report (Comment-only Googledoc): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-79Ih9SkfTDBPT4MkIxJwawFdK3gyXC-pqd4yzxpK1w/edit?usp=sharing
20:35:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Access required
20:35:14 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Yes Access denied
20:35:36 From Evin Erdogdu : Checking
20:35:46 From Evin Erdogdu : Sometimes the permissions are not public, I will change
20:35:54 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : you need to explicitly "share" it to everyone with the link & read only
20:36:18 From Evin Erdogdu : All, please try this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-79Ih9SkfTDBPT4MkIxJwawFdK3gyXC-pqd4yzxpK1w/edit?usp=sharing
20:36:24 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : works now. Thanks
20:38:48 From avri doria : One note: if there is a consensus recommendation regarding the bylaws, that could kick off a bylaws change procedure.
20:39:29 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : But changing the bylaws to cover PICs that would change some of ICANN scope the recommendation might face objection
20:42:35 From Holly Raiche : Thanks - I will - I am worried about the circumstances in which, if there haas been a breach of the PICs - who will bring the action and in what circumstances if ICANN is reluctant to take action
20:43:02 From AK Oloyede : +1 Nadira
20:44:54 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Alan - agree.
20:45:45 From Holly Raiche : Thanks OCL - my concern
20:46:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed @Alan and @OCL no simple thing indeed more than 1 and it fails
20:47:45 From Bill Jouris : I must be missing something. Why could not the Board simply direct either Compliance or Legal to act to enforce the contract provisions?
20:48:02 From Bill Jouris : That said, if we need a ByLaw change to make it happen, then lets do it.
20:48:03 From Jose R. Lebron - 6487 : No. Needs more discussion.
20:48:12 From Maureen Hilyard : My apologies. leaving this meeting for another commitment.
20:49:41 From Holly Raiche : @ Alan - I’d love to try - but am not optimistic
20:49:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The mechanisms for a Fundamental ByLaw change is quite specific and if the time comes to do so ALAC will obviously need to ensure it looks to those specifics very carefully ...
21:03:58 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : perhaps use "Community Organisation Priority Evaluation" - thus a "Community Organisation" is a tighter term than the looser term "Community" by itself
21:04:44 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Community Organisation Priority Evaluation - COPE
21:04:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : this the term Priority Evaluation in the ter,
21:05:31 From Holly Raiche : It’s not fear and loathing. It’s clarity on terminology and its use
21:06:30 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : IMHO it's poor practice and it's even poorer practice to perpetuate poor practice
21:06:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Holly and as I stated that is **exactly** what the PDP is proposing within and CPE
21:07:19 From Holly Raiche : Thanks OCL - just clarity on the context and use of the same term in different contexts.
21:07:29 From Jonathan Zuck : Trying to read
21:15:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks @Justine excellent informative and clearly presented update (again!) your work is invaluable IMO
21:16:32 From Justine Chew : Thanks Cheryl, I have to confess I was stumbling a little tonight, I am tired.
21:17:20 From Evin Erdogdu : +1 Cheryl, thank you Justine
21:17:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Understand the feeling well :-) and not the friendliest of times for you either
21:18:11 From Holly Raiche : Good suggestion OCL
21:19:11 From Justine Chew : @Evin, you can mark me down as a reviewer for upcoming DAAR 2.0 public comments in due course.
21:19:25 From Evin Erdogdu : Will share with the relevant tech WGs @Olivier
21:19:32 From Evin Erdogdu : Will do @Justine, thank you for the heads up!
21:19:48 From Evin Erdogdu : John Crain will be joining the next ALAC Monthly meeting, may be good opportunity to discuss with him as well.
21:21:28 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : +1 @Evin -- good idea
21:23:52 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 holly
21:25:02 From hadia Elminiawi : Yes indeed there are pros and cons
21:25:48 From Justine Chew : SSAC?
21:26:25 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : SSAC only comments internally
21:26:57 From Justine Chew : Members of SSAC in their personal capacity?
21:27:11 From hadia Elminiawi : ICANN commenting makes sense -
21:27:13 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : definitely @Justine, I hope so
21:28:08 From Evin Erdogdu : Noted Olivier and Holly, thank you
21:28:12 From Yesim Nazlar : Fyi - Maureen had to leave the call
21:28:22 From Justine Chew : AI for who?
21:29:36 From Yesim Nazlar : 02 December at 13:00 UTC - next call
21:29:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : OK Bye for now then...
21:29:50 From Herb Waye Ombuds : Take care everyone… stay safe and be kind.
21:29:53 From avri doria : Bye all. And feel free to put me on the spot whe I am here. I am quite capable of saying I don
21:29:55 From Joan Katambi : wel noted
21:30:00 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE CAPDA CAMEROUN : Thank for this good meeting, see you bye bye
21:30:00 From Evin Erdogdu : Thanks all! Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating this week.
21:30:05 From Evin Erdogdu : Thankful for the CPWG :)
21:30:22 From hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all - bye for now - just to note we have the webinars team call in 30 minutes instead of Tomorrow
21:30:29 From Joan Katambi : Thanks @Oliver
21:30:33 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks everyone
21:30:33 From Matthias : bye
21:30:36 From Matthias : thx
21:30:38 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
21:30:38 From avri doria : Bye all. and feel quite free to put me on the spot when i am here. I am quite capable of saying I don't know, or I can't say.
21:30:40 From Roberto : Bye
21:30:42 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you