Zoom chat: 2020-11-16 Unaffiliated Individuals Mobilization Working Party Call

11:51:15 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : no audio
11:51:21 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : trying to fix this
12:00:09 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : :)
12:07:25 From Sarah Kiden : Is it just me? I’m having trouble hearing Roberto but I could hear Michelle well
12:08:10 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Roberto´s connection is indeed very weak
12:08:40 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : ywa
12:08:46 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : yes
12:08:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but not impossible
12:09:28 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : “weak” BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE YES
12:09:52 From Sarah Kiden : Much better
12:09:55 From Laura Margolis UY : much better!
12:10:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : in the audio check earlier his IP voice was clear but very choppy that is why he connected via phine
12:10:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so fingers crossed
12:11:42 From Michelle DeSmyter : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=150178126
12:11:45 From Maureen Hilyard : Sorry Im late..
12:11:46 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Apologies for being late
12:13:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I disagree worth your hypothesis that it will end ALSes
12:13:50 From Natalia Filina : Hello all, my apologies, I`m late
12:14:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Alan at a previous meeting and in email covered off the response to your last point re the Review
12:15:46 From Alan Greenberg : And will do it again.
12:15:58 From Maureen Hilyard : Even if we allowed ALS members to become individual members, it would not affect our relationship that we have with the ALS leaders who apply for their ALS to be members of ICANN to participate in their role to distribute information about ICANN into the regions. The ALS membership and the ALS members involvement in ICANN need to be treated differently
12:16:04 From Roberto : I don’t understand why it would be the end of the ALSes. Can this be explicated better? What would be the mechanism that would bring, say, ISOC France, to move away if a couple of individuals join?
12:16:58 From Maureen Hilyard : I support Carlos's intervention
12:17:13 From Sarah Kiden : +1
12:19:19 From Sarah Kiden : I feel like we already have this is practice but maybe not formal. We have ALS members who are contributing in their individual capacities
12:21:02 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Very good point Alan, I fully agree with your comments, I was trying to make a point in the delta after the transition, because I assume an increased in the load.
12:21:36 From Alan Greenberg : @Yrjo, there are several reasons why someone might want to be both.
12:22:51 From Alan Greenberg : 1. Their ALS does not allow them to talk on their own behalf; 2. They feel better speaking on their own behalf; 3. They do not even KNOW that they are a member of a group that happens top be an ALS.
12:23:36 From Matthias : +1 Roberto
12:24:07 From Yrjo Lansipuro : @Alan, thank you. Perfectly valid reasons to be/become an individual — but why remain in the ALS?
12:24:31 From Maureen Hilyard : +1Cheryl
12:24:36 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : To answer to CLO, I mean permanent positions we have to fill in terms of PDPs, and cross-liaisions you know very well.
12:24:49 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Yrjo - you may want to stay in your ALS because they do other things that are not ICANN related.
12:24:58 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : old hand
12:25:31 From Alan Greenberg : And I will note that despite these being valid reasons (in my mind) I don't think they will be common occurrences. Which is why I think we need to make a decision and move on.
12:28:07 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Sébastien has a point here about potentially weakening the ALSes
12:29:04 From Maureen Hilyard : I think that anyone who would want to specifically to be an individual member RATHER than remain as a member of their ALS then that it up to them. If they feel that they have support of their ALS for their work in ICANN then they won't change. I think that it is an ALS vs ALS member issue but at least we can offer them an alternative for them to feel more comfortable about participating.
12:29:35 From Sarah Kiden : +1 Maureen
12:30:39 From Maureen Hilyard : Definitely agree, Alan. if people are OK with their ALS this is not an issue for them.
12:30:40 From Natalia Filina : Do we really see a strong impact on members` activity after giving them the opportunity to be in the ALS and be an individual member at the same time?
12:30:57 From Roberto : @Alan it is worse than that. We were looking for “existing organizations” for becoming ALS, not to create an ad-hoc petty organization just doe At-Large
12:31:12 From Joanna Kulesza : +1 Maureen and Sarah. I have indeed heard people explicitly declare their individual objectives are somewhat different from those of a particular ALS they are members of. Individual membership does indeed offer them more versality within ICANN which seems a good thing.
12:31:37 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : +1 seb
12:32:55 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : We didn't discuss if an unaffiliated member who could join an ALS
12:33:07 From Laura Margolis UY : good point @NAdira
12:33:22 From Natalia Filina : I thought about it too @Nadira
12:34:17 From Alan Greenberg : We are discussing whether a person can be both. Regardless of which comes first.
12:34:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct @Alan
12:35:11 From Alan Greenberg : If Seb is right and that indiv are SO MUCH BETTER, then that tells me there is something very wrong with ALSEs...
12:35:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : interesting points @Roberto specific to the EURALO POV
12:36:17 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo : No Roberto it is not the way we in Europe we setup the individual membership
12:36:33 From Michelle DeSmyter : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847603
12:36:51 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo : and Alan my POV is for Euralo
12:39:34 From Laura Margolis UY : in my case, in LAC region, I couldn't get involved until individual users were approved
12:39:55 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I have seen ALSs that are made up of two or three people
12:39:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That Review recommended and yes it took an AGE to implement!!! to allow Individual Membership in all RALOs
12:41:06 From Laura Margolis UY : yes, too long!
12:41:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the Unaffiliated term comes in the *way* several 9f the RALOs implemented this Recommendation and in most cases it was to be in harmony with the original mechanisms set up in NARALO
12:43:11 From Alperen Eken : In the meanwhile, please contribute to the discussion on the wiki:
12:43:13 From Alperen Eken : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=150178126
12:43:22 From Alperen Eken : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847603
12:44:15 From Alperen Eken : If you have difficulty reaching the page please reach: staff@atlarge.icann.org
12:44:28 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Your proposed suggestion to what to be included covers all aspects
12:59:25 From Maureen Hilyard : My support for Cheryl's recommendation
12:59:40 From Heidi Ullrich : We can hold calls weekly through 22 December
13:00:29 From Maureen Hilyard : It would help us progress more quickly..
13:00:36 From Maureen Hilyard : up to 15th
13:00:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now!
13:00:49 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
13:00:53 From Heidi Ullrich : And begin on 4 January 2021
13:00:54 From Hanan khatib : than you all
13:00:57 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, All.
13:01:03 From Matthias : bye
13:01:05 From Alperen Eken : Thanks, all, bye!