Zoom chat: 2020-11-11 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

00:30:35 hadia Elminiawi: hello all
00:31:00 Lutz Donnerhacke: Hi Hadia
00:31:12 hadia Elminiawi: Hi Lutz
00:31:55 Maureen Hilyard: Hi everyone, sorry I was a little late
00:32:31 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: Hi Maureen!
00:32:51 Herb Waye Ombuds: Greetings everyone, hope all are well and safe
00:33:43 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: Alexander Seger
00:33:58 Joanna Kulesza ALAC: +1 on this AI being in the works
00:34:13 Evin Erdogdu: Thank you Joanna and Yrjö
00:34:24 Holly Raiche: Also- the Bertrand is Bertrand Chappelle
00:34:37 Jonathan Zuck: Correct
00:34:38 Evin Erdogdu: Thank you Holly
00:34:40 hadia Elminiawi: I sent an email to Daniel in this regard
00:38:42 Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo: Bertrand de la Chapelle
00:39:27 Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo: I send him a mail but no answer yet
00:40:00 Roberto: Sorry for being late - the IGF session on inclusion just finished
00:41:16 Bill Jouris: No more effort to get on for me this time.
00:41:50 Judith Hellerstein: sorry was late but just coming from an amazing IGF session on inclusion which even got high praise from CLO
00:42:33 Vanda Scartezini: sorry entering late… hi to all
00:43:01 Alan Greenberg: Launch is still at least several years away. Hopefully our current medical crisis will not be at the same stage then (although who knows where it will be!)
00:43:29 Vanda Scartezini: we are having a school of Internet Governance in Ghana, Africa. Some of our At large colleagues are member of that board… kisses to all
00:44:07 Roberto: If we will still have pandemia problems in few years the launch of net TLD is going to be the least problem worldwide
00:45:37 hadia Elminiawi: EPDP Phase 2A
00:45:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Right now I have connected from my laptop and not my phine I can access chat etc., better
00:46:00 Jonathan Zuck: 3
00:46:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: but not type better it seems
00:46:34 Roberto: @CLO :-)
00:46:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Hadia :-)
00:47:17 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: you did @Alan
00:47:29 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yes think it of not phase 3
00:48:01 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - I am assuming that the number 3 is a more sensible progression than 2A
00:48:17 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, @Holly
00:48:20 Maureen Hilyard: Alan and Hadia have volunteered to continue with the next phase of EPDP
00:48:53 Alan Greenberg: @Holly, note "2a" not "2A" We need to be precise.
00:49:16 Holly Raiche: @ Alan - heaven help us!
00:49:24 hadia Elminiawi: Still looking for a chair
00:50:13 hadia Elminiawi: Thank you Cheryl those are so generous words
00:50:27 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Delighted to hear that from all of you!!!
00:51:11 Nadira AL-ARAJ: thank you for accepting to continue because not easy to find others with your experience
00:51:27 Matthias: hello all, sry for being late : ) 
00:52:16 hadia Elminiawi: Thank you Nadira
00:52:39 Holly Raiche: Do we comment on specific new TLDs?
00:52:56 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: .jobs is not a particularly new TLD
00:53:10 Holly Raiche: So do we want to comment?
00:54:29 Jonathan Zuck: There’s an acquisition looking to happen, similar to PIR. That MIGHT be a reason to comment.
00:55:05 Holly Raiche: Okay
00:58:08 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: @Holly I'll speak to this in a moment
00:58:40 Chokri Ben Romdhane: thank you all have a goooood night
01:00:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: So agree with the paper and to note the need for inclusion of our communities interests going forward
01:00:42 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I can get behind that
01:01:13 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, @Cheryl and propose the possibility of a “pause” if issues arise. That’s new as well.
01:01:27 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: after all if scalability planning is effective then the failure and compromise risks should be limited or avoided to almost zero point
01:01:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Holly Yes the SSAC paper was integral to this papers development
01:02:46 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: SSAC100
01:03:03 Nadira AL-ARAJ: if the same settings of what SSAC paper has remained valid.
01:03:03 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and then the CTO office Doc comes in 2020
01:03:15 Nadira AL-ARAJ: maybe things changed
01:03:23 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: SSAC100 is a 2017/18 time I think
01:03:34 Nadira AL-ARAJ: because last year there was changes
01:03:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: let me search
01:03:52 Holly Raiche: Thanks OCL - so we need to go back to the SSAC paper - which I think we supported
01:04:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: OCTO https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/octo-015-01oct20-en.pdf
01:04:07 Holly Raiche: Thanks CLO
01:04:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: SSAC100 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-100-en.pdf
01:04:43 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and my memory still serves :-)
01:04:47 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: 2017
01:05:08 Nadira AL-ARAJ: thank CLO that is not long ago
01:05:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Ohh my memory is longer I can assure you @Nadira ;-)
01:05:50 Holly Raiche: I’m pretty sure we supported the SSAC paper at the time
01:05:58 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes we did Holly
01:06:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: 046 was pre 2012 round I beeive
01:06:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: believe
01:07:04 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yes Feb 2012
01:07:32 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: SSC 046 https://www.icann.org/groups/ssac/documents/sac-046-en
01:07:50 hadia Elminiawi: agree alan
01:09:37 Vanda Scartezini: quite weak indeed..
01:09:55 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: note 046 influenced the last round of new gTLD's and in our earlier SubPro work along with SSAC we have established that the scalability approach you see in SSAC100 and of course the OCTO paper is now the best way forward
01:10:02 Lutz Donnerhacke: Whois is not really useful for proving ownership.
01:10:24 hadia Elminiawi: Yes it is weaker, the gaining registrar is not required to obtain a form of authorization
01:11:22 hadia Elminiawi: because the gaining registrar relied on the whois data to contact the registrant, which is not possible anymore
01:11:53 Lutz Donnerhacke: It's all replaced by an out of band authentication (authcode)
01:12:23 hadia Elminiawi: the authcode does not replace the FOA
01:13:00 Lutz Donnerhacke: Policially, yes the FOA is necessary. Technically, the authcode is sufficient
01:15:53 Holly Raiche: Agree with Alan
01:19:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks Alan and yes we need to engage in the PDP
01:19:23 hadia Elminiawi: +1 alan
01:19:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: so CPWG should also plan a watching brief
01:19:29 Lutz Donnerhacke: Looks interesting to jump in
01:19:34 Holly Raiche: It’s important in the sense that transfers requested by resigrants are authenticated
01:19:42 Vanda Scartezini: excellent ALAN, thanks for the up to date
01:19:43 Jonathan Zuck: So you’re volunteering Lutz?
01:21:18 Alan Greenberg: @Lutz and CLO: Once the PDP is approved and launched.
01:21:20 Lutz Donnerhacke: Jonathan. maybe.
01:21:59 Lutz Donnerhacke: It's a subject I'm directly involved at work.
01:23:46 hadia Elminiawi: @ALAN you provided a comprehensive and very detailed presentation
01:24:04 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think I supported being involved and our WG having a watchin brief not volunteering, I will backfill if needs be at the time however
01:24:12 Lutz Donnerhacke: There are a lot of "intersting" cases, which will not go smooth.
01:24:26 Alfredo Calderon: Sorry for being late. Was on a Webinar presented by @Eduardo on DNS Abuse to our community in Puerto Rico.
01:25:54 Alfredo Calderon: First part can be seen here - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=365010284609105
01:26:35 hadia Elminiawi: Thanks Alfredo
01:30:26 Lutz Donnerhacke: Loss of Domain vs. Loss of immediate Revenue is a no brainer, Alan
01:31:13 Alan Greenberg: @Lutz, perhaps to you, but not necessarily to someone who is selling a domain (and perhaps selling a business which could have very large value).
01:32:10 Alan Greenberg: And be time-sensitive!
01:32:23 Lutz Donnerhacke: If somebody do it as a Profession, it should be done professionally (knowing and following the rules)
01:33:15 Holly Raiche: @ Lutz - I think the aim of us all is to have effective rules that everyone follows
01:34:43 Lutz Donnerhacke: My typical customers are non-technical organisations, which had their Domain in the Hands of a guy doing the Webpage privately for them. If they split, the Domain could be sold or deleted because there are no formal contracts … Then we come in and try to fix the mud.
01:35:36 Jonathan Zuck: She’s done that to you before.
01:36:47 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Siri rules apparently @Greg
01:36:54 Evin Erdogdu: Thanks Greg, noted :)
01:37:02 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Excellent if you can pick this up @Greg
01:37:10 betty fausta Guadeloupe: ok @Lutz. end user concern or bit technical is important to be more affordable
01:37:44 betty fausta Guadeloupe: @Lutz policy take care about that
01:39:32 Jonathan Zuck: THAT could be a source of end user confusion
01:40:24 Marita Moll : I would be interested in working with Greg on this one -- public interest angle
01:41:33 Jonathan Zuck: Thanks Marita. @Evin, make a note. Thanks.
01:42:08 Evin Erdogdu: Noted! Thanks Marita.
01:42:44 Roberto: The question is how this - or other registry change - impacts user interests
01:43:10 Roberto: SeB is right, the risk is to go down a slippery slope
01:43:41 Evin Erdogdu: The ICANN69 Policy Outcomes Report (formerly known as the Post-ICANN69 Policy Report) is now available: http://go.icann.org/outcomes69
01:43:49 Roberto: But in some cases (PIR was mentioned) the stakes are high for users, so maybe action is in order
01:44:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thx @Evin
01:44:47 Alfredo Calderon: It is plausible that if good clear criteria for speaking on this case, might set the stage to avoid responding/commenting on future ones. As mentioned, let’s wait to see what @Greg and @Marita draft.
01:45:06 Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY): Sorry I disappeared. My tablet kicked me at.
01:45:10 Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY): out
01:45:23 Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY): Friday the 13th!!!
01:45:43 Evin Erdogdu: The ICANN69 Policy Outcomes Report (formerly known as the Post-ICANN69 Policy Report) is now available: http://go.icann.org/outcomes69
01:47:24 Jonathan Zuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th
01:47:36 betty fausta Guadeloupe: merci
01:47:50 betty fausta Guadeloupe: for french speaking
01:47:58 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: good point @Carlos
01:48:04 Roberto: Great Carlos!
01:48:05 Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo: (applause)
01:48:22 betty fausta Guadeloupe: tks gracias @Carlos
01:48:28 Michel TCHONANG LINZE CAPDA CAMEROUN: gOOD
01:48:53 Evin Erdogdu: Will check
01:49:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: it should be all the UN languages
01:49:22 betty fausta Guadeloupe: sure Cheryl
01:49:33 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: @ CLO --- you're right
01:49:48 Maureen Hilyard: Great.. not!
01:49:58 Yesim Nazlar: 18 November at 13:00 UTC - next call
01:50:16 Herb Waye Ombuds: Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind
01:50:17 Hanan khatib: thank you all ,
01:50:19 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: your not alone @Maureen
01:50:20 Evin Erdogdu: Thanks all!
01:50:24 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now
01:50:25 Sarah Kiden: Thank you everyone
01:50:27 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Good call
01:50:28 Alfredo Calderon: Stay well and safe!
01:50:29 Vanda Scartezini: thank your for a very good meeting.
01:50:30 Matthias: bye thx
01:50:34 betty fausta Guadeloupe: au-revoir
01:50:37 Maureen Hilyard: Thanks Olivier and all..