Zoom chat: 2020-11-02 Unaffiliated Individuals Mobilization Working Party Call

12:00:24 From Heidi Ullrich : Hi All
12:00:38 From David Mackey : Hi Heidi
12:01:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I hope everyone is planning on staying safe
12:01:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : staying
12:01:55 From Roberto : @CLO I am
12:01:57 From Alperen Eken : Definitely, if it is possible
12:02:04 From David Mackey : Just came back from getting my flu shot @CLO :-)
12:02:15 From Alperen Eken : Sometimes it is out of hands, my family experienced a big earthquake last week :(
12:02:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Wise choice @David!
12:02:59 From Esther Patricia Akello : hello Everyone 
12:03:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I trust they fared ok @Alp, but act of FOrce Nature aside we all need to make smart choices in these coming days
12:03:16 From Alperen Eken : Hello Esther
12:03:55 From Alperen Eken : Exactly @Cheryl, thanks they are doing OK :)
12:04:53 From Maureen Hilyard : Thats great news Alp
12:05:26 From Alperen Eken : Thank you Maureen
12:07:08 From Nadira AL Araj : Thanks God for the safety of your family Alp and so sorry for those who suffered from the earthquake
12:08:26 From Alperen Eken : Thank you Nadira!
12:10:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Do we know how many of our Members are inconvenienced with 1800 UTC and is it different for an 11 or 8 hr time shift
12:11:27 From Roberto : For instance Justine - she told me that she will not be able to attend at this time
12:11:33 From Heidi Ullrich : Perhaps a rotating times schedule might work. One at 18:00 UTC and then another one at an earlier UTC. Sharing the pain that way.
12:11:52 From Heidi Ullrich : Several At-Large groups use rotating times.
12:12:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 1500 UTC is middle of the night for me I will of course tunr up but that IS a time of inconvenience for me but no more than 0300 for others
12:12:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That also have longevity
12:12:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we are a short run activity
12:13:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the They above is CPWG
12:14:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : CPWG also often clashes in rotation with the Policy calls it is supposed to be feeding into so these things are always complicated
12:14:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but WE are not a group that runs very long ( I hope ;-)
12:14:50 From Nadira AL Araj : People who has time concern must make their voice heard
12:14:59 From Michelle DeSmyter : Welcome Natalia!
12:15:17 From Alperen Eken : Noted
12:15:41 From Natalia Filina : My apologies! Hello all and thank you Michelle!
12:15:50 From Maureen Hilyard : As Cheryl says, this inconvenience is only for a short activity.
12:16:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : At least that result seems clear enough Roberto :-)
12:18:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Support the method proposed
12:18:22 From Jonathan Zuck : AGree
12:18:35 From Esther Patricia Akello : no objection from me
12:18:42 From Esther Patricia Akello : I support
12:21:14 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Getting into the mailing list does not translate to be ab individual memeber
12:22:19 From Michelle DeSmyter : Welcome Alan!
12:22:20 From Alan Greenberg : Sorry to be late!
12:22:53 From Laura Margolis UY : Yes @Eduardo i join the mailing list since many time, but just now i was allowed to be an individual user
12:24:23 From David Mackey : @Roberto is cutting out
12:24:26 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Roberto you may want to stop your video so we can hear you better
12:25:38 From Nadira AL Araj : Why @Ed? if I join in the RALO mailing list, or at-large I can participate as individual user.
12:25:48 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I think we lost every video capability
12:27:35 From Judith Hellerstein : @laura @nadira. LACRALO had not allowed for individual members until recently that is why she could not participate
12:28:07 From Nadira AL Araj : @Judith that what Alan has written
12:28:30 From Natalia Filina : @Laura, but you were the member of ALS?
12:29:02 From Nadira AL Araj : Even AFRALO do allow ALS individuals be members.
12:29:46 From Nadira AL Araj : Then all RALO allows ALS members to join on their personal capacity
12:30:23 From David Mackey : The joys of global communication. :-)
12:30:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : these things are it seems sent t ry us
12:31:46 From Alan Greenberg : @Cheryl, they are succeeding!
12:31:47 From Roberto : Phone does not work either - it seems
12:31:50 From Judith Hellerstein : i guess at this stage i will move over to the Icann IGF meeting
12:32:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : It has not begun yet I am in there already Judith
12:32:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but soon
12:33:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : DNS abuse section is syartng in 2 mins
12:33:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : session
12:35:26 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : The ALS individual may have a different opinion than the ALS has about whatever
12:35:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : IGF DNS Abuse Session is starting FYI
12:35:54 From Natalia Filina : +1 @Eduardo, as we discussed
12:36:08 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo : not a Q of vote
12:36:50 From Judith Hellerstein : Naralo does not have an als for individuals but have the same processes as you described for Europe
12:37:00 From Nadira AL Araj : @Ed But practically we rarely have the opinion of the ALS as entity
12:37:25 From Maureen Hilyard : Sorry I will be moving to the IGF session.
12:37:25 From David Mackey : I have not yet heard what specific damage would occur which takes away from At-Large’s goals or activities … but maybe I’ve missed something
12:37:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I believe consolidation of vote/representation into a single source is managed in most of the RALO rules
12:40:58 From JUDITH' hellerstein : i am now going to icann session
12:41:05 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : The ALS mobilization was taken care off in another group
12:41:41 From Nadira AL Araj : From the expected requirements of ALS mob report is to disseminate information to their members.
12:41:55 From David Mackey : I’m not sure it’s all-or-nothing between ALS vs individual membership
12:42:14 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Sebastien: What happens if you do not agree with the ALS opinion?
12:42:25 From Nadira AL Araj : ALS objective might be different than ICANN so what we are loosing?
12:43:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The loss of ALSes issue I trust will be responded to by following speakers as this is not a harm we have identified as actual risk at all noting of course the work of the ALS Mobilisation proposals
12:43:16 From Nadira AL Araj : @SB can give an example of an active ALS and what they do to AT-larage?
12:43:41 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I agree with Seb it should be a RALO's decision
12:43:52 From David Mackey : +1 @Roberto
12:44:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it goes to identification of such har,=ms as @David mentioned earlier
12:44:31 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo : it is NOT a question of vote
12:45:09 From David Mackey : +1 @Roberto Better functioning and engaged At-Large community should be our goal (ALS & individual members)
12:45:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed @David
12:45:36 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Sebastien: So what is the issue?
12:46:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly @Alan
12:47:19 From Nadira AL Araj : +1 Alan
12:47:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : greater engagement is the aim of the game indeed!
12:47:39 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Cheryl +1
12:48:44 From David Mackey : +1 Alan
12:49:42 From Nadira AL Araj : Good point Alan about a member being part of multiple ALSes
12:49:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ++++ @JZ!!!
12:49:49 From David Mackey : +1 JZ
12:50:17 From David Mackey : More participation is the goal of this Working Party
12:50:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : And we are *NOT* recommending any form of dilution or disempowerment of ALSes existing or future
12:50:54 From Natalia Filina : +1 to be in different ALSes. I guess it is our reality already
12:51:16 From Nadira AL Araj : +1 Cheryl
12:51:32 From David Mackey : +1 Roberto
12:51:56 From Alperen Eken : Yes, Roberto
12:52:31 From Jonathan Zuck : Zero
12:52:44 From Alan Greenberg : Why would we lose any ALSes due to this?
12:52:49 From David Mackey : It’s a good question. I think it can be asked.
12:53:28 From Nadira AL Araj : I have the same question as Alan
12:53:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well SeB when if and when we see some changes in the attrition rate to date of ALSes we can review again to look at why (there may be other reasons NOT to do with UIM's at all of course so a proper analysis would be required before any change or action...
12:54:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : At least *we have been forewarned*
12:55:17 From Nadira AL Araj : Thank you Alp for this effort
12:55:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : EXCELLENT thanks @Alp
12:55:38 From David Mackey : +1 Nadira, thank you Alp
12:57:26 From Esther Patricia Akello : thanks @Alp
12:58:00 From Alperen Eken : You are welcome, it was great reading the comments and the flow again :)
12:58:30 From Alperen Eken : Yes
13:00:10 From Nadira AL Araj : Thanks Roberto
13:00:45 From Sarah Kiden : Thanks, Alp!
13:00:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks everyone next call??
13:00:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : skip a week is fine by me
13:01:02 From Natalia Filina : Thanks Roberto and all!
13:01:07 From Sarah Kiden : +1 to skipping the call
13:01:19 From David Mackey : Thanks Roberto and all!
13:01:20 From Laura Margolis UY : +1
13:01:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now
13:01:30 From Sarah Kiden : Thanks everyone!
13:01:32 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, All.
13:01:38 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : bye
13:01:42 From Esther Patricia Akello : bye