Zoom chat: 2020-02-10 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

20:41:23 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to ALS Mobilization Working Group Call taking place on Monday, 10 February 2020 at 18:00 UTC.
20:42:12 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/dhGJBw
20:58:10 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi All
20:58:28 From David Mackey : Hi Amrita :-)
20:59:45 From Heidi Ullrich : Hi All. Welcome!
21:00:02 From Raymond Mamattah : Hello Greetings from Accra, Ghana
21:00:03 From David Mackey : Hi Heidi :-)
21:00:10 From David Mackey : Hi Raymond
21:00:30 From Raymond Mamattah : Hi David, good evening
21:01:18 From Heidi Ullrich : The AIs will be taken at; https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Action+items%3A+2020-02-10+ALS+Mobilization+Working+Party+Call
21:08:57 From Eduardo Díaz : I am not sure which statement is being discussed
21:09:22 From David Mackey : Eduardo, here’s the doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BQeZSipxanJHwL4MLuFfGwDe5zZfaNMSIFWWS8zJy3w/edit#heading=h.3n5st9wnowct
21:09:27 From Eduardo Díaz : Got iy!
21:09:35 From David Mackey : it’s in the agenda and then a link to the doc
21:09:41 From Eduardo Díaz : I am looking at the document itself
21:09:52 From David Mackey : I agree with the wording
21:09:53 From Bastiaan Goslings : I support you, aalan
21:10:00 From Roberto : OK
21:10:01 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : the phrase "which is obviously...." can be removed
21:10:31 From David Mackey : No only do I agree with the wording, it actually looks very good :-)
21:10:32 From ali almeshal : agree
21:12:50 From Amrita Choudhury : seems okay
21:13:03 From David Mackey : agree
21:13:04 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, if/when an ALS is de-certified, should there be effort to ensure that the At-Large logo, etc is removed from their website?
21:13:38 From Amrita Choudhury : yes ..but how do you implement
21:13:42 From Eduardo Díaz : Who is going to police that?
21:13:50 From Roberto : How can we enforce it?
21:14:02 From Heidi Ullrich : Perhaps staff can send a note
21:14:11 From Heidi Ullrich : Obviously it cannot be enforced.
21:14:22 From Roberto : Don’t get into legal…
21:14:24 From Heidi Ullrich : However, there was a case where this happened..
21:14:27 From Nadira Al Araj : I hope to the decertification is minimal
21:14:36 From Eduardo Díaz : Send a note when confirming decertification and forget about it
21:14:40 From Amrita Choudhury : +1 Heidi. once an ALS is decertified a standard mail can be send
21:14:43 From ali almeshal : i am okay with 7
21:14:48 From Heidi Ullrich : Ok. thanks.
21:14:49 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Or it may be the ALS itself has become defunct
21:14:58 From David Mackey : It’s not bad from a marketing perspective, but it is bad if they represent that they are still affiliated with us
21:15:01 From Bastiaan Goslings : No comments, I’m fine with 7
21:15:03 From Heidi Ullrich : @Dev, yes, that is often the case
21:16:01 From Heidi Ullrich : The case was that an ALS had been decertified and they were still involved in ICANN
21:16:18 From Bastiaan Goslings : I think we need to specify ‘basic information'
21:16:34 From Filina Natalia : Hi all, sorry for the delay
21:17:01 From Eduardo Díaz : Staff can dio that
21:17:13 From Eduardo Díaz : My ALS info is in my web page
21:17:21 From Eduardo Díaz : Why doubling the info
21:17:24 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I think that based on 1, the wiki page can be done by staff
21:17:48 From David Mackey : From Eduardo “Why doubling the info?” — I agree with the question
21:17:59 From Eduardo Díaz : I believe there is a page with a list of the ALS, logos and links to their web page. Isn’t that enough?
21:18:10 From Heidi Ullrich : What is the purpose of these wiki pages?
21:18:37 From Filina Natalia : The list of ALS with links
21:19:11 From Alperen Eken : There is website already, we can update contact info on At-Large website maybe?
21:19:30 From Alan Greenberg : https://atlarge.icann.org/alses
21:19:41 From Nadira Al Araj : https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/apralo
21:19:45 From Alperen Eken : Both wiki and website means duplicate information
21:20:19 From Heidi Ullrich : The wiki page may be historical…under Why join At-Large as an ALS, one of the benefits is: A free web page and other Internet-based mechanisms to support your group's work.
21:20:52 From Heidi Ullrich : This has been a listed benefit for over 10 years. However, most organisations now have their own website.
21:21:03 From Heidi Ullrich : Or at least a FB page.
21:21:26 From Nadira Al Araj : here is ALAS Palestine has some updates https://community.icann.org/display/APRALO/ISOC+Palestine
21:22:07 From Heidi Ullrich : I’m not sure whether the mandatory pages are needed anymore
21:22:52 From Nadira Al Araj : Or if they chose to use it
21:23:10 From David Mackey : I agree with Dev
21:24:46 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : If a org doesn't any public presence, why would we accept that org? Because there's no proof
21:25:16 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : well, if they have nothing, why accept them as an ALS
21:25:20 From Roberto : @Dev - what you say makes sense
21:26:12 From David Mackey : I agree with Alan’s final wording
21:26:13 From Roberto : We may want to give CLO the chance to object
21:26:15 From Filina Natalia : I agree, too. This is proof of life - a live page, website, and so on
21:26:29 From Nadira Al Araj : Yes, and those info will be public
21:27:37 From Amrita Choudhury : +1Allan makes sense
21:32:49 From Filina Natalia : We need to have the updates and information about activities related to ICANN work. Mandatory and regular. The rest is optional and possible.
21:33:53 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, are the for all existing ALSes or only applied to ALSes that join after this meeting? If for all, might there be pushback on why membership rules have changed after they’ve become members? How will this be addressed?
21:34:39 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : sorry work called for a few minutes - back now
21:38:12 From silvia.vivanco : @Alan some RALOs have participation metrics linked to a definition of “active “ or inactive and a consequence
21:38:17 From Nadira Al Araj : So we don't expect ALSes to bring interested members to join policy discussions?
21:38:21 From silvia.vivanco : Such as possible Decertification
21:38:51 From silvia.vivanco : for example NARALO rules do that
21:39:18 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, the RALOs could likely be the organisers for they ALSes within their region. If they were more active members, they could reflect the best interests of end users better.
21:39:58 From David Mackey : +1 Alan
21:40:06 From Heidi Ullrich : So, perhaps the RALOs could work to incorporate the newly active members.
21:40:53 From Heidi Ullrich : There could be coaching/mentoring to move people along the journey and into leadership positions.
21:42:32 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, recall that the Board approved the 5 year cycle of summits/General assemblies.
21:44:21 From David Mackey : Agreed
21:45:05 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Whatever the metrics, it should be uniform to all in At-Large and not have RALO differences
21:46:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Well, it just seems stranges that an org is deemed active or inactive, based on geography
21:46:32 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Yep
21:46:45 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : ;-)
21:47:17 From silvia.vivanco : at some points all RALOs will need to be in sync as pointed out by Dev
21:47:19 From David Mackey : agreed
21:47:25 From Nadira Al Araj : Agree
21:47:36 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree
21:47:59 From David Mackey : nope, agreed on Alan’s comment about not needing 100% certainty
21:50:07 From Nadira Al Araj : Going back to the previous section, and if they are able to respond to At-large survey to reflect the end user then we have no concern if their work are not relevant to ICANN
21:50:31 From ali almeshal : agree with Nadira
21:50:54 From David Mackey : agree with Nadira
21:50:54 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree with Nadira
21:51:20 From Filina Natalia : +1 to Nadira
21:53:09 From Heidi Ullrich : Imo, not only credibility, but legitimacy
21:53:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I think "on the ground" activity counts towards the org not being considered defunct - and that active "on the ground" at least gives an opportunity that some persons/members can become interested
21:55:32 From silvia.vivanco : Nowadays many RALO Newsletters are reporting on their local activities- related to ICANN’s remit which shows their activity as well
21:55:54 From Filina Natalia : @Dev, i guess "on the ground" activities say not just about ALS, but about RALO too, at least as reflection. But can`t be just this separate. Need to plus to RALO activities
21:56:28 From Eduardo Díaz : ALS can do great things in the ground but if they are not connected to ICANN why are they an ALS
21:57:16 From Filina Natalia : but connected with IG issues, as part of our activities too @Eduardo
21:57:36 From Heidi Ullrich : The impact that an activity has, may be only shown years later. However, that is still impact.
21:57:47 From Eduardo Díaz : IG is great but what do that have to do with Domains
21:57:52 From David Mackey : Agree @Heidi
21:58:32 From David Mackey : Agreed @Alan
21:58:48 From Filina Natalia : Yes @Eduardo, agree. As I said not separate but as additional to ICANN issues too
21:59:03 From David Mackey : @Eduard ALS
21:59:09 From Eduardo Díaz : @FIlina - OK
21:59:30 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : There's also the networking effect /benefit of being in At-Large - orgs in at-large that care about other things can find each other and they can collaborate outside of At-Large
22:00:02 From Eduardo Díaz : They will have to years to report or get out
22:00:48 From David Mackey : @Eduardo ALSs who want to be connected with us give us the potential to communicate with a larger group of people who may be active with us in the future. Keeping an open channel with “Potential” value is worthwhile
22:00:49 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : yes, should be for all at-alarge in the beginning
22:01:01 From Nadira Al Araj : Thank you Alan and all
22:01:10 From Amrita Choudhury : Thank you everyone
22:01:16 From silvia.vivanco : Thank you all
22:01:19 From Filina Natalia : Thank you Alan, all
22:01:20 From David Mackey : Thanks All
22:01:22 From Bastiaan Goslings : thanks all!
22:01:25 From ali almeshal : bye all
22:01:27 From Eduardo Díaz : need to move to another call
22:01:58 From Roberto : Who is speaking?
22:02:20 From silvia.vivanco : Pastor Peters is speaking
22:02:32 From Roberto : Thanks @Sylvia
22:05:47 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Have to jump to another call starting
22:05:53 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : thanks Alan, all
22:07:01 From David Mackey : I have no issue with the current discussion, but it may be out of scope for this meeting