Zoom Chat: 2020-10-12 Unaffiliated Individuals Mobilization Working Party Call

10:56:41 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Unaffiliated Mobilization Working Party Call
10:59:56 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome,
11:00:00 From Heidi Ullrich : All.
11:04:56 From Gopal Tadepalli : Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
11:05:41 From Nadira AL Araj : Thank you
11:08:41 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Alejandro Piscanty
11:09:03 From Alejandro Pisanty : Thanks Claudia! Hi all.
11:13:49 From Alan Greenberg : I was not implying that the discussion in the ALS Mob WP was directly related. I was just making sure that those whyo were not on my WP were aware.
11:16:41 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Abdulkarim Oloyede
11:19:12 From Nadira AL Araj : Good use of example Carlos
11:20:22 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Patricia Akello
11:20:55 From Esther Patricia Akello : Thank you
11:21:01 From Esther Patricia Akello : am sorry am late
11:21:27 From Abdulkarim Oloyede (Nigeria) : good point Alan
11:26:01 From Alan Greenberg : What about votes for ALAC seats?
11:27:08 From Alan Greenberg : "Unaffiliated" is not a term we should use if these individuals may also be an ALS member (what we are talking about)>
11:28:30 From Silvia Vivanco : APRALO and NARALO do vote
But they do through ONE rep who casts the vote for all
11:28:56 From Silvia Vivanco : And EURALO - One ALS Euralo Individual users votes in all elections as any other RALO
11:30:45 From Gopal Tadepalli : ICANN respects statistical methods. In many cases, "multiple hats" are seldom productive. Exceptions are differerent. The best of things always happen inspite of a system. This is great use of systemic policies. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
11:31:53 From Silvia Vivanco : @ all this table shows a comparison of all RALO rules on individual membership, including the rights to vote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kmOn-v1v-5vxMGbEhIDCGWawDv134U7HTSIV57uxQjQ/edit#gid=0
11:32:14 From Judith Hellerstein : thanks Silvia
11:32:16 From Nadira AL Araj : Yes, good point to have a discussion on terminologies later
11:33:50 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you, Silvia! The table is very useful
11:33:51 From Nadira AL Araj : APRALO following the same as NARALO for LT team voting
11:36:05 From Maureen Hilyard : Sorry Im late..
11:36:24 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Maureen
11:37:08 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Cheryl
11:37:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : terribly sorry to have been delayed joining today
11:37:57 From Alan Greenberg : Two Notes: 1. Very few ALSes actually involve their members in votes. 2. If ALSes DO involve their members a person can be a member of multiple ALSes.
11:38:39 From Alan Greenberg : Perhaps one day indiv. members will predominate and ALSes will be superfluous. But that is not today.
11:39:12 From Judith Hellerstein : yes and under 3c the individual member maybe the appointed leader of the individual users and so often does vote in the leadership elections but is supposedly voting the wishes of his group of individuals. users
11:39:27 From Nadira AL Araj : @Alan your second that what Justine is worried from
11:39:40 From Nadira AL Araj : *second point
11:40:03 From Roberto : @Judith - agree
11:40:31 From Alan Greenberg : We have no control (and cannot have any control) over who the ALS members are or how an ALS treats its members
11:40:58 From Judith Hellerstein : @alan exactly we can only encourage them
11:41:03 From Roberto : @Alan - nor we should, as a matter of fact
11:42:07 From Nadira AL Araj : @judith with introduction of right termenologies the case you raised could be avoided.
11:42:24 From Nadira AL Araj : +1 David
11:42:46 From Alan Greenberg : @David, None of this is "that important" They are simply things that we must decide on. Hopefully quickly!
11:44:37 From Judith Hellerstein : #4. if that is the case, than why not just become an individual member? Are instructions not given to all?
11:45:04 From Judith Hellerstein : i thought all are subscribed to the list serve for each RALO
11:46:46 From Nadira AL Araj : If you never hear about ICANN how to join these mailing list
11:48:27 From Alan Greenberg : Remember that the prime outcome of the ALS-Mob-WP (and the At-Large Review) is that sleected At-Large communications to ALSes *MUST* be sent to their members.
11:49:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : a critical *new* point @Alan
11:49:23 From Judith Hellerstein : yes but if they feel caged in with their als then maybe leave the als and become an individual member
11:49:36 From Gopal Tadepalli : e-mail till today is a technology marked "evolving" over the past 50 years. It qualifies as "semi / quasi-formal". What are those communications that are "MUST READ" and fully formal ? - Dr. T V Gopal,Professor,Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
11:50:04 From Judith Hellerstein : or they can join all the mailing lists and get all the emails they want
11:50:40 From Roberto : @Judith - if some decide to leave an ALS and stay just as individual, I do not see a problem
11:51:23 From Judith Hellerstein : +1 Greg
11:51:26 From David Mackey : +1 Greg - separate membership criteria from communication mechanisms
11:52:07 From Alan Greenberg : Remember, ALSes typically exist for some reason other than ICANN. I may be a member of a group (unconnected with ICANN) and I don't want to quit (again, for reasons other than ICANN).
11:52:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : thanks for the clear vision on this @Greg,
11:57:11 From Alejandro Pisanty : +1 Alan
11:57:43 From Judith Hellerstein : @alan understandable
11:58:31 From David Mackey : It’s interesting to note that the culture & bylaws of ICANN At-Large treat individuals very differently from how the culture of the older IETF organization treats individuals … https://ietf.org/about/participate/
11:58:40 From Judith Hellerstein : anyone who wants to talk about new tools should email me and we will put it on our next TTF call in November or early December after the OGF
11:58:41 From Alejandro Pisanty : Alejandro Pisanty Hand UP
11:58:51 From Alejandro Pisanty : quick closing comment please
11:58:56 From Gopal Tadepalli : Confluence is fantastic. The best I have come across so far. It is productive only if the Indivdual has a high degree of clarity of purpose. - Dr. T V Gopal,Professor,Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
12:00:15 From Heidi Ullrich : My hand was up was to let you know re Alejandro.
12:00:38 From Roberto : OK @Heidi
12:01:16 From David Mackey : +1 Alejandro
12:01:21 From Alejandro Pisanty : thanks Heidi!
12:01:23 From Roberto : +1 Alx
12:02:00 From Nadira AL Araj : yes Alan
12:02:01 From Bill Jouris : +1 Alan
12:02:08 From Esther Patricia Akello : thanks Alan
12:02:10 From Gregory Shatan : Good point, Alan. We can always revisit.
12:02:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now...
12:02:12 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
12:02:13 From Jothan Frakes : thanks all
12:02:13 From David Mackey : Thanks All, Cheers!
12:02:16 From Hanan khatib : thank you all
12:02:16 From Esther Patricia Akello : thanks Roberto
12:02:17 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, All
12:02:19 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : bye all
12:02:22 From Silvia Vivanco : Thank you all
12:02:23 From Esther Patricia Akello : bye everyone
12:02:24 From Silvia Vivanco : bye
12:02:24 From Nadira AL Araj : Thank you
12:02:38 From Gopal Tadepalli : One needs to involve insiders of organizations. People are good and well meaning and precisely for this reason we may never build 100% fool proof systems. - Dr. T V Gopal,Professor,Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA