00:23:53 Judith Hellerstein: Sorry for being late
00:24:06 Judith Hellerstein: was there a new document for this week?
00:25:00 Roberto: I believe it is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4iQYa35DYzfW8-ngrM3pA8pLjCTa7F5QLoUETAeU4M/edit?ts=5f15bf80#heading=h.dmq0v3lifabk @Juduth
00:25:06 Claudia Ruiz: Welcome Judith
00:25:08 Roberto: * Judith
00:25:13 Claudia Ruiz: No, here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4iQYa35DYzfW8-ngrM3pA8pLjCTa7F5QLoUETAeU4M/edit#heading=h.88io3o3gv1bn
00:25:25 Roberto: Thanks Claudia
00:25:58 Herb Waye: Greetings everyone, hope you are all staying safe
00:25:59 Judith Hellerstein: Yes, execellent Idea Alan
00:26:46 Claudia Ruiz: Welcome Alberto
00:28:03 Alberto Soto: Hi Claudia, I´m later, sorry...
00:28:23 David Mackey: sounds good
00:28:33 Roberto: Maybe we should also specify for every field whether it is mandatory or optional
00:29:18 Roberto: Oooopss - I see now the * - does that mean it is mandatory
13:12:59 From Maureen Hilyard : What happened??
13:13:07 From Herb Waye : bump in the road
13:13:09 From Sarah Kiden : Something strange happened
13:13:35 From Bastiaan Goslings : Ah ok I was not the only one ;-)
13:13:42 From Ali AlMeshal : okay we are back
13:14:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : back
13:14:23 From Evin Erdogdu : Welcome back
13:14:27 From Judith Hellerstein : It seems that some one accidentally hit leave meeting
13:16:33 From Alperen Eken : AI is noted
13:16:36 From Heidi Ullrich : Noted, Alan.
13:18:21 From Judith Hellerstein : Does it mean all the officers? Or just some of them
13:18:31 From David Mackey : I clicked on Alan’s comment, by mistake and it disappeared from screen. I hope I didn’t interfere with the underlying doc
13:19:03 From David Mackey : oh! sorry
13:19:32 From Alperen Eken : I am checking
13:19:49 From David Mackey : I’ve switched to “suggesting mode”
13:20:28 From Evin Erdogdu : Thought so :)
13:22:12 From David Mackey : my mistake, I didn’t switch to editing mode when I looked at the doc
13:22:18 From David Mackey : suggesting mode
13:22:30 From Sarah Kiden : We can keep the question. Doesn’t change much but I would say let’s keep it
13:23:02 From Judith Hellerstein : But they are citizens of that country
13:23:13 From Maureen Hilyard : I agree it doesn't hurt to ask.. especially as we are getting a lot of different types of groups applying
13:23:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes but KISS
13:23:26 From Heidi Ullrich : Agree to keep, esp B.
13:23:31 From Ali AlMeshal : I would keep it as is
13:23:36 From Roberto : Keep it
13:24:54 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes Agree with CLO
13:24:58 From Sarah Kiden : +1 to legal jurisdiction
13:25:05 From Maureen Hilyard : Agree to delete the constraint of "national"
13:25:07 From Judith Hellerstein : Legal jurisdiction
13:25:16 From Roberto : Agree “legal”
13:25:28 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Legal Jurisdiction is important because this eliminates informal groups
13:25:53 From Judith Hellerstein : @daniel. Informal groups are also fine. I see no issue with that
13:26:04 From David Mackey : @Daniel what is your definition of “Informal” groups?
13:26:46 From Roberto : Yes, informal is fine. However, it is interesting to know what type of ALS we have, we can expect maybe different behaviours.
13:26:59 From David Mackey : agreed @Roberto
13:28:05 From Sarah Kiden : Informal is fine though I wonder what happens when funds need to be wired for an activity, etc.
13:28:40 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : informal groups have no referenced documentation to legal structures
13:29:04 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : for instance if I form a group and it's not registered in Uganda, the group is informal
13:29:29 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : it has to be registered by the registrar of companies
13:29:30 From Alberto Soto : +1 Daniel
13:29:39 From Judith Hellerstein : OK Alan thanks for clearing this up
13:31:11 From Judith Hellerstein : @daniel I see no reason for groups to have to register and incur a cost if they want to form an ALS
13:31:48 From Judith Hellerstein : @sarah, ICANN does not fund ALSes they fund a specific person to travel to an activity
13:31:54 From Judith Hellerstein : it is not like ISOC
13:32:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : they are only information gathering
13:34:27 From Heidi Ullrich : Could the question just be: Is your Organization mainly self-supporting?
13:34:41 From Evin Erdogdu : Good idea Heidi
13:34:43 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : @Judith the groups are must have a reference then to a legal entity
13:35:05 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 @Heidi
13:35:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I like the certification at end of application approach as this IS a criteria
13:36:38 From Maureen Hilyard : I don't think we should be asking an organisation about where they get their funding from.. at this stage
13:37:17 From Yrjo Lansipuro : +1 to Maureen
13:38:13 From David Mackey : I’m happy with Alan’s position
13:38:34 From Sarah Kiden : Agreed with the suggestion
13:38:37 From Roberto : Well, what about if the source of funding is, for instance, Verisign? Is it irrelevant or not?
13:39:15 From David Mackey : @Roberto, question a) brings up this information, doesn’t it?
13:40:15 From Roberto : @David - sure, but I personally believe that c. is a good complement to it - so I would keep it
13:40:37 From David Mackey : okay, I was focused on b, not c
13:41:15 From Roberto : For instance, an ALS might receive funding by a for-profit, but the for-profit is not involved in the governance - maybe they are supporting pro-bono
13:41:24 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : I think this question measures the level of financial sustainability of the ALS
13:42:10 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : assuming the ALS are not for profit, there is always a financial plan
13:43:12 From Judith Hellerstein : @daniel, the ALS may not have sought funding and may be strictly voluntary
13:43:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Many intities are finded for example by Industry BIT are not cintriled BY the Industry in say telecoms
13:43:30 From Barrack Otieno : sorry for joining late, i was on the road
13:45:12 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : incase its voluntary then the sustainability plan and funding is paramount in this case looking operation costs
13:45:15 From David Mackey : Answers to questions a & c would help for the assessment of the application
13:46:31 From David Mackey : yes, please :-)
13:46:38 From Judith Hellerstein : @daniel, ALS can exist as long as the volunteers want it to exist. When they no longer want or another person does not volunteer to lead than yes it will die but that is the same with any other organization even ones that are legal entities
13:46:49 From Heidi Ullrich : Does you Organization commit to keeping its members informed about ICANN activies?
13:47:11 From David Mackey : +1 @Heidi
13:48:24 From Roberto : @Heidi - I think that “informed participation” is stronger than just “information”
13:48:54 From Maureen Hilyard : @Heidi - are we not asking if they will commit to supporting their members to participate in ICANN?
13:49:02 From Maureen Hilyard : to be more informed
13:50:47 From Judith Hellerstein : Should we just say interest governance issues
13:51:00 From Bastiaan Goslings : If they do not know of any ICANN related íssues’, then why do they want to become an ALS?
13:51:00 From Judith Hellerstein : *Internet
13:51:09 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 Bastiaan
13:51:18 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes @bastiaan that makes sense
13:51:46 From Roberto : I agree with @Bastiaan - by the time they submit an application they should know what they are doing
13:51:48 From Maureen Hilyard : They would at least have to look up what ICANN does so that they can answer the question
13:52:10 From Bastiaan Goslings : I understand, Alan - thanks. But the question makes sense to me
13:52:17 From Maureen Hilyard : Why do we have to give them the answers?
13:52:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I tend to agree @Maureen, but perhaps a link to the ission etc.,
13:53:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Mission
13:54:24 From David Mackey : Can we be more direct in our question and ask them “why” they want to join and what expectations they have for membership in At-Large?
13:55:28 From Maureen Hilyard : change internet governance issues to DNS issues - that should sort them out about whether they should apply or not
13:55:32 From Roberto : @David - good idea
13:55:46 From Heidi Ullrich : What is a real-life activity?
13:56:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : not Other life?
13:56:36 From Judith Hellerstein : Is real-life a non virtual event
13:57:09 From Evin Erdogdu : Good idea @Alan
13:57:11 From Heidi Ullrich : Is that still relevant in today’s times? Should “real-life” be removed?
13:58:08 From Roberto : Agree to remove f.
13:58:15 From Maureen Hilyard : agree to remove it
13:58:41 From Bastiaan Goslings : I doubt whether an applicant understands what this question f means - so agree, remove
13:59:21 From Ali AlMeshal : For F what about if we refer to ROP?
13:59:23 From David Mackey : it will be an accreditation requirement
13:59:32 From Maureen Hilyard : Individual ALSes don't have anything to do with the MOU its an agreement with the RALO
13:59:50 From Roberto : @Bastiaan - they might not understand the question, but they will anyway reply “Yes” because they think that it might be a prerequisite - just trying to guess what applicant would do
14:00:32 From Sarah Kiden : Then (f) needs to be adjusted slightly to capture the RALO MoU
14:00:45 From Judith Hellerstein : If it is a photocopy or an image than some one with visual impairments cannot read it
14:00:57 From Judith Hellerstein : we need to make sure that all texts are not images
14:01:14 From Judith Hellerstein : images are not accessibile
14:02:03 From Judith Hellerstein : Is Naralo the only one that allows individual members
14:02:07 From Roberto : Why do we ask for text? Could a url be also an option?
14:02:58 From Sarah Kiden : @Judith, I think almost all ALSes now allow individual members
14:03:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That's OK
14:03:23 From Herb Waye : take care everyone, nice to hear your voices
14:03:30 From David Mackey : bye all
14:03:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now...
14:03:41 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
14:03:44 From Ali AlMeshal : bye stay safe
14:03:49 From Roberto : Bye!
14:03:49 From Alberto Soto : Thansk ,bye
14:03:51 From Bastiaan Goslings : bye all
