Zoom Chat: 2020-02-03 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

12:01:36 From Raymond Mamattah : hello, good evening from Ghana
12:07:02 From Filina Natalia : Hi all, sorry I am late
12:08:06 From David Mackey : Looks good to me
12:10:32 From Bastiaan Goslings : does it then make sense to change the ‘ALS Expectations’ to ‘ALS Requirements’?
12:13:03 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Staff pls scroll the document
12:17:11 From Heidi Ullrich : @Dev/All, At-Large will be developing a Communications Strategy which will likely address how At-Large communicates with members, the community and the general public.
12:18:19 From Filina Natalia : @Heidi, we already do it, but need to continue this work...
12:19:31 From Nadira Al Araj : It would be waste of resources to track to that level
12:19:31 From Heidi Ullrich : @Natalia, we are still working on it yes ;)
12:20:06 From Filina Natalia : all these aspects we tried to include, but need to understand the responsibility to follow the "rules"-)) more difficult
12:20:16 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : That communication Strategy will solve a lot of communication challenges especially if we are looking at hierarchical communication
12:20:17 From Filina Natalia : yes, @Heidi-)
12:20:45 From Filina Natalia : Agree @Daniel.
12:20:49 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I think having the ALSes redistribute updates publicly to their public channels (webpage, social media channels) should be a requirement rather than just only to its members
12:21:36 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Heidi - have proposed certain approaches for this strategy
12:23:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly
12:24:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and it depends on the Membership base of each ALS as to how many are "going to take the bait"
12:30:32 From Bastiaan Goslings : I agree with Cheryl
12:30:42 From Barrack Otieno : +1
12:30:49 From Bastiaan Goslings : drop the word prominent as far as I am concerned
12:30:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : So if you can't measure the prominence perhaps don't require the term
12:32:03 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : I agree with Cheryl
12:32:10 From Barrack Otieno : On the ISOC chapters issue when i was AFRALO Secretariat i sensed discomfort from the Regional Bureu in having ISOC Chapters as ALS's
12:32:21 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : ALSes can highlight as part of the survey where on their website, social media they are mentioning/featuring ICANN
12:33:18 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : I think justify that they are an ALS would be a good thing
12:36:30 From Bastiaan Goslings : point 6 would need to be changed in order for it to reflect what we mean to say (now it just says ‘DELETE: RALO may add it desired ‘
12:38:32 From Filina Natalia : I think this is a useful thing for responsibility of ALS to be in touch. For revision too (ned to be updated). I think this should be a mandatory option
12:38:47 From Roberto : +1
12:39:10 From ali almeshal : agree with cheryl
12:39:14 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : I agree, various channels of contact is importants
12:39:24 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Some phone contacts do not exist
12:39:41 From Nadira Al Araj : both could do
12:39:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : A way of Joining\
12:39:53 From Nadira Al Araj : and/or
12:39:56 From Barrack Otieno : I support multiple channels
12:40:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the matter was a way of Joining a local ALS
12:41:13 From David Mackey : Yes, the discussion answered my question. Thank you. :-)
12:42:53 From Nadira Al Araj : yes for encourages
12:42:55 From Filina Natalia : On the one hand, that would be fine. Perfect. On the other hand, we want to see the representatives' expertise at first. At least-) more will already be as a gift-)
12:43:30 From Roberto : I would prefer “should”. “Must” is too much, and “could” does not mean anything
12:43:40 From ali almeshal : encourage would work better
12:43:52 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The expertise may not reflect the passion of an individual
12:44:13 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : You may find a doctor who is passionate in Internet Law and jurisdiction
12:44:14 From Barrack Otieno : Should is better i agree with Roberto
12:45:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we email to our individual Work groups to avoid list traffic
12:45:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so Policy goes to the Policy WG
12:45:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : NOT the list *OR ELSE!*
12:45:57 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 Eduardo
12:46:16 From silvia.vivanco : EURALO did such a survey with ALS expertise
12:46:23 From silvia.vivanco : And was very successful
12:46:25 From Heidi Ullrich : Perhaps an ICANN Learn or other tool to show how ALS reps/members could encourage discussion on At-Large issue within their ALSes.
12:46:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : my ALS MAY be able to get such a survey to our Policy list
12:46:46 From silvia.vivanco : they have a table with ALS expertise related to At-Large policy topics
12:47:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But again not sure why we need the proactive list of expertise is useful here
12:47:47 From Yrjo Lansipuro : The EURALO expery
12:47:48 From Yrjo Lansipuro : tise
12:48:51 From silvia.vivanco : Yes Alan you are correct that was the purpose of the EURALO table
12:49:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Not sure that will work in APAC all that well
12:49:18 From Filina Natalia : yes Alan, Silvia
12:49:59 From Yrjo Lansipuro : The EURALO expertise list is updated annually. It is not a “survey”: every ALS is individually is enquired about expertise of their members. To do it on RALO basis is manageable, not so if done globally.
12:51:02 From Filina Natalia : yes, not everyone and not so much the same time
12:52:02 From silvia.vivanco : Exactly @Yrjo, Euralo Task Force has done a great Job under your leadership on the table of expertise
12:52:10 From Heidi Ullrich : See AFRALO’s ALSes: https://atlarge.icann.org/alses
12:52:45 From Heidi Ullrich : Most seem to have both
12:52:48 From David Mackey : I agree option if they already have a web presence but mandatory if the do not have another web presence
12:53:12 From Nadira Al Araj : Yes, optional and good to introduce them to it
12:53:30 From Filina Natalia : Sometimes it is difficult to update own web site, and it is even more difficult to keep track of updates on wiki. Not mandatory i guess...
12:53:36 From Alperen Eken : They sometimes have Facebook pages or similar web presence.
12:53:51 From Filina Natalia : But good to give this ability and room-)
12:55:58 From Eduardo Diaz : The idea of the wiki is to provide an option for an ALS that does not have any web presence at all. It should be mandatory otherwise how can people can contact them or see what events they do, etc.
12:56:43 From silvia.vivanco : We already have a wiki listing ALS and logos and basic information
12:56:48 From silvia.vivanco : https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/Members
12:56:50 From silvia.vivanco : See example
12:57:02 From Raymond Mamattah : If a wiki page already exists let it remain as such
12:57:06 From silvia.vivanco : its done once once the ALS is formally accredited
12:57:30 From Heidi Ullrich : I suggest that we send instructions how to set one up in the welcome email
12:57:38 From Heidi Ullrich : Rather than staff setting one up.
12:57:43 From silvia.vivanco : The ALS can add information as they think appropriate some actually do and some just send their logo
12:57:52 From Roberto : Sorry I have to leave. About #10, yes to the grace period
12:59:00 From Heidi Ullrich : Some of the wikis just have a logo: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64066814
12:59:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Public Material
12:59:05 From Heidi Ullrich : No link, etc...
12:59:23 From Heidi Ullrich : So questioning how useful such a wiki page is...
12:59:23 From Bastiaan Goslings : Agree with Cheryl - good to have a public central (wiki) repository of all ALS’s in the diffrent RALO’s
12:59:29 From David Mackey : Thx for the link Heidi.
12:59:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Logo's should be linked to the Web Presence
13:00:07 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Unless the wiki has something more, like Name, ALS website, ALS reps, short description, Country of Incorporation
13:00:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : If no Web presence(s) then it becomes the presence
13:00:17 From Barrack Otieno : Correct@ Cheryl
13:00:22 From Filina Natalia : +1 Cheryl and Dev
13:01:14 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Cheryl, if no public presence, how could such an org become accredited in the first place
13:01:26 From Nadira Al Araj : point 9 to be move from under ALS expectation to staff expectation
13:01:53 From Heidi Ullrich : In the past, we ask that if an applicant doesn’t have a web presence that they do set some public space up - might just be a FB page.
13:01:58 From Bastiaan Goslings : sorry I need to go, 19UTC, thanks everyone
13:02:36 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Heidi - then imo, they can't become an ALS and therefore sounds like individuals wanting to join
13:02:49 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, does that mean that staff will need to review all ALS wiki pages to ensure they lead to some sort of webpage?
13:02:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Because Dev the Global Public presence is the wiki page this covers situations where for good reason one is not globally accessible at the time of application
13:03:03 From Heidi Ullrich : Could this be a responsibility of the RALO leadership?
13:03:04 From Filina Natalia : +1 @Heidi. Any online place
13:03:08 From Heidi Ullrich : to check?
13:03:33 From Barrack Otieno : One year is too much
13:03:34 From Filina Natalia : we may check, but can`t enforce to create i guess
13:03:40 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Cheryl, that's probably the only limited exception -
13:03:47 From Heidi Ullrich : IMO, it will be key that the RALO leadership explain the publicise the new rules
13:03:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes but an important one
13:03:59 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Heidi - I think the survey will get the necessary info to populate the ALS wiki pages
13:04:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and there was no good rationale for giving a wiki page to a few exceptions and not to all
13:05:13 From Yrjo Lansipuro : +1 Heidi, RALO’s will have a big role in the implementing this
13:05:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : not like it is hard to create a page with every application and dump the relevant material on it
13:05:49 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I don't think its a RALO responsibility - this is an At-Large/ALAC responsibility
13:06:41 From David Mackey : Thanks again Alan!
13:06:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : It is Dev
13:07:08 From Filina Natalia : Thank you Alan and all
13:07:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now
13:07:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : LOL
13:07:44 From Filina Natalia : have a great week in B. Cheryl!-)
13:08:08 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Take care all