Matt Ashtiani:hi sala, welcome!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi can someone please call me on +1.202.262.555.7
sergio salinas porto:hi all!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hola Sergio
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi Sala
Matt Ashtiani:hola sergio! bien?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I haven't received a dial-out yet; Hi Cheryl - great to e-see you :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Sala we have a number for you ?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Matt if following up Sala
Matt Ashtiani:sala is now in!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks I have just received a dial -out :)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lol
Matt Ashtiani:will do
sergio salinas porto:hola matt!!!! muy bien amigo!
Natalia Enciso:hello everyone
sergio salinas porto:hola nati
Matt Ashtiani:bien, amigo!
Matt Ashtiani:hola nati, bien?
sergio salinas porto:hi cheryl!
Eduardo Diaz:Hola everyone
sergio salinas porto:hi eduartdo
Eduardo Diaz:hi
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hola Eduardo :)
sergio salinas porto:hi sala!
Fatima Cambronero:hi everyone
Eduardo Diaz:Too big
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes please so we can read the text as it is currently illegible and supersized
Eduardo Diaz:but I can go directly to the wiki
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi Sergio and Fatima
Fatima Cambronero:hi Sala!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh 2:Hello, all
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi Dev!
Alan Greenberg:hI ALL
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi Alan!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro::)
sergio salinas porto:sylvia herlein is in the rom now
sergio salinas porto:sorry room
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi Sylvia
Natalia Enciso:Hola Matt. @fatima esta esperando la llamada
Sylvia Herlein Leite:Hi Sala, miss you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro::)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Cheryl I have a question in relation to drafting, I would suggest that we discuss what the skeleton should look like before we start discussing the revisions unless it was done and I missed it?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Excellenty
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro::)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Cheryl
Jacqueline A. Morris:Agree with including the ICANN bylaws
Holly Raiche:What about Alan's comments to not use the term delegate?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I have removed the Sync so you can all scroll and magnify your own screen view
Matt Ashtiani:@ all - please remember to state your name before you speak
Matt Ashtiani:@ Todos - por favor no olvide indicar su nombre antes de hablar
Matt Ashtiani:@ Tous - s'il vous plaît n'oubliez pas de mentionner votre nom avant de parler
Matt Ashtiani:@ All - lembre-se de indicar o seu nome antes de falar
Darlene Thompson:I'm so very very sorry that I'm late but I'm here now
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:could someone please undo the "sync" button sharing their screen please?
Matt Ashtiani:glad to have you here, darlene
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NP Darlene know it is a busy time for you
Matt Ashtiani:@ocl - completd
Darlene Thompson:ty! Please include me in the list of attendies Matt
Matt Ashtiani:just did :-D
Eduardo Diaz:@alan: Are you talking like having some type of proxing?
Jacqueline A. Morris:I'm definitely against having "alternates" coming in. I like Alan's proposal. I'm good with asking someone to vote (proxy) who is ALReADY a member or already in the group.
Silvia Vivanco:Please be so kind to say your name before speaking
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:proxy is a well defined way to manahe spme of these issues
Alan Greenberg:@Eduardo - yes, for voting.
Eduardo Diaz:I agree also with Jaqueline. Bringing an alternate migth be counter-productive specially if that person is not up to date in any of the discussions
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Indeed Edwardo
Alan Greenberg:@CLO - yes, if there is an alternate for speaking, wouldhave to be entenhed in rules.
Jacqueline A. Morris:I agree with Carlton - extended inability to participate should be cause for resignation and replacement.
Silvia Vivanco:Tijani, would you please speak up? your voice is faint
Jacqueline A. Morris:And that HAS happened in the past
Cintra Sooknanan:I agree that votes can take place by proxy but not to have an alternate alac member
Natalia Enciso:next rule says that voting could be electrónic
Matt Ashtiani:@ all - please remember to mute your speakers if your a dialing in and using adigo
Matt Ashtiani:@ Todos - por favor recuerde silenciar los altavoces si una marcación y con Adigo
Matt Ashtiani:@ Tous - s'il vous plaît n'oubliez pas de couper vos haut-parleurs si vous êtes un numérotation dans et en utilisant Adigo
Natalia Enciso:doesnt IT solve that issue?
Matt Ashtiani:@ All - lembre-se de silenciar os alto-falantes se a sua marcação em um e usando Adigo
Yaovi Atohoun:If I am correct , if the RALO see a problem for the person sent by NOMCOM, NOMCOM can replace the person easily and I think that happened when I was in NONCOM. It is like not a big issue to create alternate seat for now
Eduardo Diaz:@natalia: I think this is for when voting is needed in face-to-face meetings and you are not available - even remotely
Jacqueline A. Morris:BTW - as an At Large NomCom delegate, it would cause disruption in the NomCom process. It can be discussed, but then the by-laws would have to be changed to change the job that the NomCom does. The number of positions that we select IS in the Bylws
Natalia Enciso:that rule in my opinión need clarification
Jacqueline A. Morris:The NomCom is responsible for the selection of eight ICANN Board Members and for other selections as are set forth in the Bylaws. (See Bylaws Article VII, Section 1.)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Alan - did you mean like a Proxy
Cintra Sooknanan:yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes Sala he does
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Proxies make sense
Cintra Sooknanan:this is what Alan is referring to
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:An alternate in NomCom is only selected if someone selected by the NomCom needs to be permanently replaced. The NomCom does not alert the alernate that they are the alternate if they don't need them to take position.
Cintra Sooknanan:IMO
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree but there are instances where "acts of God" prevent people from participating such as natural disasters etc - there has to be exceptions but reasonable exceptions
Jacqueline A. Morris:When I said extended time, I was talking in terms of months and months... not weeks
Eduardo Diaz:@cheryl: Maybe you cover the process at the beginning but I would like to know how all these comments and discussions are going to be filtered out to the final version of the rule
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I am wondering whether the wiki can accept illustrations into the text?
Eduardo Diaz:Yes
Eduardo Diaz:Thank you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Cheryl
Dev Anand Teelucksingh 2:Rule 20 covers Voting in meetings
Cintra Sooknanan:no cousins?
Jacqueline A. Morris:+1
Jacqueline A. Morris:consistent terminology
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I reserve my comments until the draft is fully developed
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:there may be a need for distinctions [ there may be situations that we cannot foresee as yet]
Cintra Sooknanan:agree with that
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree that there should be an Interpretation and definition section
Fatima Cambronero:agree too
sergio salinas porto:agree @alan
Jacqueline A. Morris:I'll suggest that we remove 1.2 entirely, and deal with attendees to meeting in 13, (Meetings)
Fatima Cambronero:with definitions
Jacqueline A. Morris:How aboout changing it t "appointed"
Jacqueline A. Morris:by whatever process they use
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree Jacqueline Appointment covers it all
sergio salinas porto:I would: elected
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Appointed covers Election and or Selection or any other method the RALO chooses
Jacqueline A. Morris:but some RALOs do not always have elections
Jacqueline A. Morris:they may decide by consensus
Cintra Sooknanan:I am disconnected
Jacqueline A. Morris:+! Cheryl
Jacqueline A. Morris:sorry that was +1
Heidi Ullrich:Dialing you back Citnra.
Yaovi Atohoun:My line is disconnected
sergio salinas porto:@carlton: I did not understand what he said
Heidi Ullrich:We are dialing you back , Yaovi
Cintra Sooknanan:thanks
Jacqueline A. Morris: I'll suggest that we remove 1.2 entirely, and deal with attendees to meeting in 13, (Meetings) and 16
Yaovi Atohoun:Please continue
Yaovi Atohoun:Sorry. I can't see my hand raised.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NP Yaovi ping here IOF you need to talk
Eduardo Diaz:As far as I know all ALAC meetings are open so being an observer in a meeting is a mute point. I agree with Jaqueline. 1.2 should be removed.
sergio salinas porto:agree with fatima
sergio salinas porto:fatimna baja la mano
Heidi Ullrich:Cintra, Adigo is getting VM for you.
Cintra Sooknanan:can you try me at 868 625 3969
Cintra Sooknanan:thank you
Yaovi Atohoun:If 1.2 is removed we may have to change the title of #1
Alan Greenberg:I had already suggested that title change and all agreed (I think).
Silvia Vivanco:OCL could you please be so kind to speak up?
Cintra Sooknanan 2:I dont' think we should remove 1.2 completely but it is inappropriate for it to be placed here
Jacqueline A. Morris:Yes, that title change was already discussed
Cintra Sooknanan 2:we should create another section for it
Darlene Thompson:Yes, but observers shouldn't be limited to an ALS
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Cintra - perhaps we should consider all potential scenarios
Fatima Cambronero:I think we need to unfold it in two different points
Jacqueline A. Morris:I agree wiith Alan
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:good point Fatima [rewritten from scractch to suit our needs is better]
Cintra Sooknanan 2:and also it is helpful to reveiw this document as a whole not just in pieces
Cintra Sooknanan 2:but how they fit together
Alan Greenberg:As Isaid, if there is somethingto be preserved from 1.2, then craft it from scratch to say what we really mena!
Alan Greenberg:mean!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with you Cintra
Jacqueline A. Morris:No objection to rule indicating only ALAC members have the right to vote.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:There should also be a distinction of categories of things being voted on
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:and this will impact on who can vote
Jacqueline A. Morris:I'd like it to be explicit, and agree that we should keep proxy in mind
Jacqueline A. Morris:IN that case, should this section not include rules re accreditaation of ALSes and other members (individual) and so on? As well as participation in activities such as WGs?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:nope this deffinitions of ALAC
Jacqueline A. Morris:accreditaation and participation means just to ALAC, then?
Jacqueline A. Morris:So the bits about participation requirements for ALAC members fit here?
Jacqueline A. Morris:rule 21 should move?
Cintra Sooknanan:yes so we need to consider new subclauses here
Fatima Cambronero:yes
Natalia Enciso:zorro i
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed
Natalia Enciso:sorr have to leave,im at work
Eduardo Diaz:additional meetings are better that long meetings
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you Cheryl and Staff :)
Cintra Sooknanan:bye everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye all
Fatima Cambronero:thanks to all, bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Noted Edwardo
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Goodbye everyone
Sylvia Herlein Leite:bye bye
sergio salinas porto:bye all!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh 2:Thanks everyone, bye all!
