Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the ROP Definitions and Structure Drafting Team meeting on Tuesday 07 August 2012 at 2000 UTC
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I can hear you Yaovi
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I can hear you Gisella
Yaovi Atohoun:Hi Sala, Thank you for your hard work. I amwondering if it is necessary to include the second WHEREAS. My concern is that it can bring up the "perception" that peophe have seeing ICANN like an american organization. What do you think?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes
Holly Raiche:Hi Mstt -could we have a lilnk to the drafting in the adobe connect room
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Try calling me again Gisella
Gisella Gruber-White:Sala - please mute your speakers
Gisella Gruber-White:If you are on the Adigo audio bridge as well as the AC audio, please mute your speakers
Yaovi Atohoun:Welcome Sylvia
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ready to receive dial-out
Eduardo Diaz:Hola todos.
Yaovi Atohoun:Hola Eduardo
Silvia Vivanco:Hola Eduardo
Gisella Gruber-White:DSDT Sandbox page: https://community.icann.org/x/3AQeAg
Natalia Enciso:Hello!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Let's start with the roll call please
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I have advised people via the list and skype
Gisella Gruber-White:Comments at the bottom of the sandbox
Heidi Ullrich:Sandbox link with Sala's comments : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Definition+and+Structure+Draft+Team+Sandbox?focusedCommentId=35521942#comment-35521942
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella
Heidi Ullrich:There is an echo.
Natalia Enciso:I hear echo
Matt Ashtiani:please remember to mute your speakers if you on skeyp and have dialed in
Eduardo Diaz:echoooooo....!!!
Natalia Enciso:I dont understand what is beign said
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Dev has sent his apologies
Gisella Gruber-White:Participants: Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO), Yaovi Athoun (YA), Holly Raiche (HR), Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro (ST), Darlene Thompson (DT), Alan Greenberg (AG), Olivier Crepin (OCL), Natalia Enciso (NE), Eduardo Diaz (ED)
Holly Raiche:There is feedback Sala- mute your speakers
Gisella Gruber-White:PLEASE mute your computer speakers!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My speakers were already muted
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:How is it for everyone
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we only have 50 min
Yaovi Atohoun:echo still there
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes i can still hear the echo
Heidi Ullrich:Apologies, everyone!
Gisella Gruber-White:Can EVERYONE please check their computer speakers?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:we all know Sala
Yaovi Atohoun:mine if muted
Heidi Ullrich:The noise/echo is coming from the AC
Eduardo Diaz:@Gisella: can you mute all line?
Heidi Ullrich:Eduardo, it is the AC room.
Eduardo Diaz:Oh! Ok.
Heidi Ullrich:Not the Adigo Bridge
Natalia Enciso:echo on mine too
Darlene Thompson:We can still make you out, though, so I would say go for it
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Dev sent his apologies via skype
Heidi Ullrich:It is better now
Eduardo Diaz:Better.
Gisella Gruber-White:Apologies: Rinalia Abdul RahimStaff: Gisella Gruber, Heidi Ullrich, Matt Ashtiani, Silvia Vivanco
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Sala - please start the call
Gisella Gruber-White:the attendees will be recorded
Heidi Ullrich:Sandbox: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Definition+and+Structure+Draft+Team+Sandbox?focusedCommentId=35521942#comment-35521942
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am on a mobile app not browser would not let me in to PVT meeting... so I'll type hands up here
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:OR just butt in...
Heidi Ullrich:penholders page with Holly's text: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Definition+and+Structure+Drafting+Team+Membership
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Please add Dev to the apologies list
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up put me in the que
Gisella Gruber-White:Noise coming from AC room - someone who is NOT muted
Heidi Ullrich:Sala, are your speakers muted?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:natalia as pen holder first then we;ll open it to the floor
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes Heidi was muted
Jacqueline A. Morris:Hi - sorry I'm late. Just got home from a meeting
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:welcome JAM
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:can staff put up Holly's text
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:the three i was referring to was the 3 texts in the sandbox
Natalia Enciso:can I ask for a dial-out? Cant hear very good on the adobe
Heidi Ullrich:Adigo is dialing you, Natalia.
Natalia Enciso:Thanks Heidi
Carlton Samuels:I'm on!
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Natalia - we are dialling out to you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:To be very clear the "Whereas" text is designed to equalise our understanding of what is in the bylaws that is relevant to the work of the drafting team
Alan Greenberg:Yaovi's voice very garbled and hard to understand.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:it shows the breadth of ALAC's mandate and what it can and can't do. We should not worry about length at this stage because we can always trim it later or collapse it
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@Alan, Yaovi is talking about how the definitions should not be removed
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Agreed with Alan
Yaovi Atohoun:no please
Heidi Ullrich:Holly's text will be displayed shortly. It is on this page under the comments; https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Definition+and+Structure+Drafting+Team+Membership
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:The definitions and text that i inserted were directly from the RoP and were tabulated for ease of work for the Team
Yaovi Atohoun:I was saying that we may separate "Definition of Terms" and "Acronyms"
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:good point
Natalia Enciso:Sorrry, I am not having a good audio quality nor in the adobe nor in the phone. Probably woul be better to make my comments on the wiki later
Eduardo Diaz:Are we keeping the Rappoteur?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree with Holly and IF we do redo the definitions they need to be accurate Alternate is a more complex issue /term than ability to appoint a proxie. etc.,
Carlton Samuels:Holly's voice is muffled on the A/C audio
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:help NO Edward
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up in que please
Gisella Gruber-White:please state your names when speaking for transcript purposes
Eduardo Diaz:Never mind, I remember that we decided to eliminate it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree Alan. YES
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Gisella can you please put up the definitions in the sandbox
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no point Sala
Holly Raiche:Iagree with Alan - save the definitions to the end
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup
Eduardo Diaz:If some of the definitions are somewhere withing ICANN the we can just point to them. No need to re-define them in our rules.
Darlene Thompson:Agree with Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:that is what I want to speak to as well
Holly Raiche:I also agree with Eduardo - up to a point. If there is an acronym, it should at least be spelled out
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:not with reference to us it is not
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:am I no longer on the speaking list???
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Gisella can you please put the Whereas clauses back on the screen
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:and also the the composition text
Carlton Samuels:Absolutely right Alan!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:good point
Holly Raiche:We do onot have the term delegate in our RoP - except in the definition. PLEASE can we get ri d of it
Carlton Samuels:Delegate is used in a very limited way referring people we send to NomCom
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:what should they be called?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:am I still in the speaking order or not
Holly Raiche:Hi Olivier - we use the term delegate when what we mean isMember - so please, use only one term. My suggestion is that we use the term member only (otherwise, it is confusing
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Gisella after this can you please put up the definitions
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:noted Cheryl
Holly Raiche:The only reason I suggested Officer is that it is the text is that it is used - but, as Alan sugested, maybe we finalise defintions at the end
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree Alan and they are probably the SAME thing
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Gisella please put the definitions table from Sandbox
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:the ExCo arw the officer set +
Heidi Ullrich:ICANN bylaws Article 11: http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:For the record, I have found the use of the term "Executive Committee" to be widely used and understood in and outside ICANN circles. "Officer" is more ambiguous especially in some languages where it has military connotations.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I also like ExCo
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Sala - this is a table - I am not able to put in a PDF document
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Sala - apologies - this is now up
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and it is Chair +4 from other Regions
Holly Raiche:Increasingly, I think we need agreement on structures first and then go through the document and pick up what terms need to be defined
Holly Raiche:Also, At the end, we can look at the Introductory section - but again, do that in the end
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up
Eduardo Diaz:Holly: +1
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:good point'
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:any volunteers for defnitions
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:maybe a team of three
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:you can look at the comments that havecome through
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Also another lot of three to look at the various standing committees etc,
Yaovi Atohoun:Agree with holly. We can not take a decision about what to remove from the current definition at this stage.
Yaovi Atohoun:i am disconnected. Please I need to dial out
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:good point but for now let's freely think
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:wrapping up in 2 mind
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:mind
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:mins
Yaovi Atohoun:listening using my computer audio
Eduardo Diaz:Sorry - I have to go. Will check actio items later.
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Yaovi - yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:probably all you need then now
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: NOOOOOOO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:leave the bleeding definitions alone till later
Holly Raiche:Sala - could weplease do definitions LATER in this task
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agreed Holly
Darlene Thompson:Agree with Cheryl and Holly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and we do need to online play with the options of Alternate and use of Proxy appointment
Darlene Thompson:Its a waste of time to do it now
Alan Greenberg:@CLO - +100. That is a subject that would really benefit from discussion.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:this is a one with ramifications perhaps we can discuss this at next meeting
Holly Raiche:Agree with CLO discussion topic
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Amen to that Alen
Darlene Thompson:Agree with Alan
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes I also agree that discussions on definitions will be done later but we need to have people monitoring definitions and anyuthing that could affect the definitions
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes i agree Alan
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We will make the call for volunteers on the DSDT mailing list
Jacqueline A. Morris:agree
Darlene Thompson:Yes, SUBSTANTIVE issues need to be discussed now.
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, everyone.
Carlton Samuels:THanks all. G'bye
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes we need to definte ToR and send to the mailing list
Jacqueline A. Morris:bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye all
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:everyone can comment on what needs to be done
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:next meeting is?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Goodbye everyone, @ CLO not sure yet
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