Evin Erdogdu:Welcome to the At-Large ICANN Evolution Call on Monday, 20 February 2017 from 17:00 UTC - 18:30 UTC.
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hi to all
Evin Erdogdu:Hello and welcome!
Tatiana Tropina:Hi everyone!
Evin Erdogdu:Hello Tatiana!
Louis Houle:Helle everyone!
Evin Erdogdu:Hello and welcome!
John Laprise:Hi all
Evin Erdogdu:Hello John!
avri doria:thought i did, but will check
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone
Narine Khachatryan:Hello everyone
Evin Erdogdu:Hello Leon, welcome!
Leon Sanchez:Thanks Evin!
Leon Sanchez:I managed to attend in the end :-)
Evin Erdogdu:Fantastic!
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Not bored. Very Interesting!
avri doria:i had not sent the doc urls on staff accountabilty, but now have.
Wafa Dahmani:hello all
Leon Sanchez:Very good update Tatiana! Thanks!
Evin Erdogdu:Great! Thank you, Avri.
Evin Erdogdu:Welcome Wafa!
Wafa Dahmani:thanks evin
Leon Sanchez:Hello Wafa!
Wafa Dahmani:hi Leon
Tatiana Tropina:was rather a joke about bored hehehe - thanks everyone! :-)
Alan Greenberg:Have not attend a meeting since last review
avri doria:me either
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):little progress sigh
Alan Greenberg:I am afraid that the CCWG-WS2 has taken a back seat to the At-Large Review the last few weeks.
avri doria:was also travelling
Tatiana Tropina:everyone was travelling :D
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and since Alan indicated at our meeting in Hyderabad that I reported too often - though like a few others (Avri for example) attend Ad a Member to a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):all the WS2 streams I am doing my best to shut up other than in Accountability
Alan Greenberg:Don't think I said you reported too often, Just that we were obliged to call on you so often for lack of other volunteers/candidates.
CW:plesae repeat the question . I have just joined the call
Tatiana Tropina:Olivier please repeat
Tatiana Tropina:the sound was bad
John Laprise:+1 tatiana
CW:response to what, exactly?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it was a turtle
Leon Sanchez:I thought it was for the SO/AC accountability
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we are on Jurisdiction atm,
Leon Sanchez:but if it's on the jurisdiction questionnaire I believe that we should foster a reply as diverse as possible,hence not have a coordinated response would help to that end
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:yes Jurisdiction
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Correct CW
Tatiana Tropina:I wonder why either or
Tatiana Tropina:why not both?? yes, John
Tatiana Tropina:I would agree with both.
Javier Rúa-Jovet:+1 @John
Alan Greenberg:NOTHING ever precludes individual comments from being submitted.
Tatiana Tropina:If ALAC won't be able to reach consensus at least it can try - but it won't prevent structures to respond
John Laprise:It's not the community's responsibility to reach consensus. Representing the interests of global users, it's likely that consensus is unlikely.
Javier Rúa-Jovet:@John I agree.
Tatiana Tropina:John, this is almost phylosophical
Wale Bakare:Hi all
avri doria:can go for consensus that the report is a try indication of the comments and repsinse received. do not need to agree on postion. if ALAC can help coooridinate the many views of the ALS network, that would be a good thing.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we are not really asking for consensus views, this does not mean we shouldn't facilitate to get wide as possible input, yes there will be a variety of views and experiences we need to look at all of those
John Laprise:Agree tatiana
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Alan
CW:Agree with Alan
John Laprise:no...sorry cleared
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Good
Evin Erdogdu:Guidelines for Good Faith: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_nhWOAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=HedNXfBayuWxdPer7COiCJBd39KxvJQIgCaiDYF2Tm8&m=5kvveDjvqxihXECQtGyy0qH_zpAqRHXwFllzHf3dus4&s=H_7nqDV6xILZNT8XevnAhXoaroYV8ox5ayYSGJrRju8&e=
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we had the reading
avri doria:and are discussing changes
avri doria:on the group list
avri doria:sort of.
Leon Sanchez:Olivier your sound seems muffled
Javier Rúa-Jovet:@olivier sound issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I didn't see any either Alan Avri... neat comments have come in?
Alan Greenberg:You are fine now.
avri doria:nope last not from Loru saws not comments.
avri doria:so should be ready for second reading
Evin Erdogdu:SO/AC Accountability: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_lBWOAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=HedNXfBayuWxdPer7COiCJBd39KxvJQIgCaiDYF2Tm8&m=5kvveDjvqxihXECQtGyy0qH_zpAqRHXwFllzHf3dus4&s=2BcQz6P-TqYDcyNIuSeJJDK5bP_FDiI9Tw_28WM7ILM&e=
Alan Greenberg:Regarding ALAC Accountability, a final call for comments was issued. We received one set of comments clarifying and cleaning up the document. That is all.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes some things will be up for 2nd read many of our WTs up to the 1st read
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Alan all we in the WT can do is note whatever updates, additions and edits as they come in to the Questions sent and replies received
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):the data can as we have always said be updated
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):or what we do and is not in writing as one question asked
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):well covered Avri, thx
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes she is a regular more attendance in these WTs than many of the names you have listed OCL... Avri's semi is more than many people do
avri doria:you talking about the new gTLD subsequent procedures PDP now. yes that is an issue but not one that has been disucussed.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:I was not alluding to any specific PDP. Just in general
avri doria:yeah yeah
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):stakeholder diversity is considered within GNSO PDP s. OCL but I believe Avri could confirm that means stakeholder groups within the GNSO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes relevance is important
Javier Rúa-Jovet:must exit call. bye to all
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:how are end user interests defended?
Wale Bakare:I will agree with @Alan on the point of structure, and what opportunities are there
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):too few AT-LARGE and ALAC people but a few do try OCL
avri doria:and it is something that atrt3 should take it up
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Avri
Kaili Kan:I have a major issue regarding ICANN's evolution, i.e., what is ICANN after all? Is ICANN a regulator, or it is a DNS industry association?
avri doria:i think i made that one too. and i agree it could have been skipped and just reported on.
CW:Five minute call! Marvellous!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yeah I was less than impressed
Kaili Kan:For historical reasons, especially while the DNS being a non-profit activity, ICANN was made up by professionals of the DNS industry. However, after DNS became a profit industry, especially after ICANN became independent of the US government, things have changed completely. On the other hand, because of the uniqueness nature of the DNS, it does need to be regulated as a natural monopoly. This brings a significant conflict-of-interest between the end-users of the Internet and DNS vs. a DNS industry based ICANN sectors (SO/ACs).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):no meeting held
Kaili Kan:Therefore, being the authority and regulator of the DNS industry, a vital change was missing during the Transition, i.e., the change of ICANN's fundamental composition. According to the entire theory and practice of economics, ICANN should now be composed of all sectors representing Internet/DNS end-users/consumers with voting power, while representatives of the DNS industry itself, e.g., registries/registrars, should only play an advisory role.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):careful Avri your reputation will be as bad as mine for too much intervention in these calls
avri doria:my reputation is already horrid, how much worse could it get.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):lo
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):lol
Kaili Kan:Tha is, provided ICANN is considered a regulator. However, if it is not a regulator, why do we representing end-users a part of ICANN?
Evin Erdogdu:Reviewing the Cooperative Engagement Process (CEP): https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_nBWOAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=HedNXfBayuWxdPer7COiCJBd39KxvJQIgCaiDYF2Tm8&m=5kvveDjvqxihXECQtGyy0qH_zpAqRHXwFllzHf3dus4&s=l3B_37fznzzeY6s2kCNtg2_l1ymP9k6cxRlhp7RKnQI&e=
Evin Erdogdu:Staff Accountability: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_mhWOAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=HedNXfBayuWxdPer7COiCJBd39KxvJQIgCaiDYF2Tm8&m=5kvveDjvqxihXECQtGyy0qH_zpAqRHXwFllzHf3dus4&s=f_XuAgQpZhFenEo0DPSNuG_qOqeaGEu9OBVk7I7WCvQ&e=
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup
Leon Sanchez:I will now have to leave the call
Leon Sanchez:my apologies for not being able to stay till the end
Leon Sanchez:Thanks everyone
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:thanks for attending @leon
Alan Greenberg:Christopher, which group are you referringto with no indep. chair and largely being led by staff?
Leon Sanchez:bye
Alan Greenberg:Answer privately if you wish.
avri doria:just becasue i called it hierarchical does i mean i think it is necessarily coherent.
Louis Houle:Bye everyone, I must go.
Evin Erdogdu:Goodbye Louis!
CW:Important to define schedule in advance. To date no information.
Tatiana Tropina:it would be good if people can walk us through the final docs
CW:ALAC Not to block our participants in internal meetings whereas they should be participating in meetings with other SOAC
Tatiana Tropina:or not final - the docs that go to public comments
CW:Which Friday?
Tatiana Tropina:agreement
Tatiana Tropina:yes am happy
Tatiana Tropina:save us please
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye for now then...
Tatiana Tropina:bye all - thanks!
Kaili Kan:Thanks to all. Bye!
Gordon Chillcott:Thanks and bye for now.
CW:B'ye CW
John Laprise:au revoir!
Evin Erdogdu:Goodbye all! Thank you.
Narine Khachatryan:Thank you all, and good bye
