Andrea Glandon: (10/3/2018 11:25) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call held on Wednesday, 03 October 2018 at 17:00 UTC.
Andrea Glandon: (11:25) Agenda Wiki Page: https://community.icann.org/x/uQqrBQ
Christopher Wilkinson: (11:55) It's like dthat in Cannes? I thought it was a beautiful place to go for a walk!
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (11:57) OK
Evin Erdogdu: (11:58) Welcome all!
Alfredo Calderon: (11:59) Thanks @Evin. Hello to all!
Alan Greenberg: (12:00) Adigo: 3535
Heidi Ullrich: (12:01) Welcome, All.
Heidi Ullrich: (12:02) Please mute your speakers if you are not speaking.
Alfredo Calderon: (12:02) Seems someone has mic unmuted.
Heidi Ullrich: (12:03) Maureen is an apology for this call. She is traveling.
Andrea Glandon: (12:04) thank you, Heidi!
John Laprise: (12:04) yes olivier
Holly Raiche: (12:04) WHOOPPEE
Evin Erdogdu: (12:04) Congratulations, all! 86 pages!
John Laprise: (12:05) Yay!
Heidi Ullrich: (12:05) Quantity AND quality :)
Satish: (12:05) Wow!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:05) Indeed Heidi
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:05) Indeed!!!
Evin Erdogdu: (12:05) +1
Holly Raiche: (12:06) There can't be another year for EPDP - there is a deadline...
Evin Erdogdu: (12:07) Action Items: 2018-09-26: https://community.icann.org/x/zwerBQ
Evin Erdogdu: (12:07) 2018 ALAC Policy Comments & Advice: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74587834
Heidi Ullrich: (12:11) Holly...
Alfredo Calderon: (12:13) +1 On Holly's suggestion.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (12:15) my comments are of course valid of there is nobody from At-Large participating in the PDP
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (12:15) if not, we can let whoever is from At-Large, report back or let everyone know in our community
Holly Raiche: (12:16) Maybe even a staff supported discussion of some sort. - really find a way to inform everyone of he issues BEFORE we allocate. And look to the Review implementation - looking at staff resources - something that can be added to the item
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (12:18) We should try to get invloved with the PDP from the beggining
Jonathan Zuck: (12:19) I agree
Alfredo Calderon: (12:20) But also, be capable of explain the issue to all RALO's to get "outsiders" engaged in comments.
John Laprise: (12:20) Hmm...if we go with Jonathan's recommendation, it would be good to have a tweetable/SoMe shareable BRIEF summary of the issue for broad dissemination to drum up interest broadly
Alfredo Calderon: (12:21) @John, I believe that is a way to spread the word and engage more members of the community.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:21) Efficiency still needs to be designed into this model ... Yes
Holly Raiche: (12:22) I am assuming a much wider scope for this group - a place to FIRST inform and THEN coordinate the development of a process
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:22) Also ALAC soes actually decide if we do or not make a draft
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:22) as does thr ALAC ALT...
John Laprise: (12:22) Agreed Cheryl: efficiency is the hobgoblin of the multistakeholder process
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:23) Indeed Alan I assumed you would be stateing that
Alfredo Calderon: (12:23) @Cheryl, thus we need individuals involved from the begining in PDP to alert us of issues/PDP we need to address.
Marita Moll: (12:23) Sorry, connectivity issues so could not get here till now
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:23) I still dream of that Alfredo
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:24) and those Individuals should IMO be endgagesd as well in this WG and/or its processes
Evin Erdogdu: (12:24) Welcome Marita
Alfredo Calderon: (12:24) Cheryl, keep dreaming. It's coming! New generation of individuals is on the way!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:24) I was trying to find a choice that **MAY** have not et a test from THIS group Alan
Holly Raiche: (12:25) Staff does note upcoming issues for comment - so why not - at that point - have something to discuss what we do about it?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:25) It was as I said a faulted example
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:25) GEO Regions Review would be a better pone now I am more awake
Holly Raiche: (12:25) Annother suggestion - have people identify their areas of interest/expertise
Holly Raiche: (12:26) And if there is a GNSO webinar - why not let us know
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:26) SOmetimes people develop interests from being exposed to issues (looping back to wider engagement in the other processes again)
Holly Raiche: (12:27) Also - have access to webnars done on the issue
Holly Raiche: (12:29) AGree with OCL
John Laprise: (12:30) So the worker bees can work harder or we can get more worker bees. Unfortunately worker bees are hard to come by. :( If we're honest with ourselves, we're likely to find policy savvy worker bees among grad students.
Jonathan Zuck: (12:31) sounds good
John Laprise: (12:31) Agreed cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:33) :-)
Holly Raiche: (12:33) Not it doesn't!
John Laprise: (12:33) all too true alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:33) Go for it OCL!!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:34) protocol and process flow mapping... I know I still dream ;-)
Holly Raiche: (12:34) So an action item - to ensure that the CPWG people are informed - however
Satish: (12:36) Agree.
Holly Raiche: (12:36) @ CLO - true thee ae a few - but please let's try to build the talent pool
Satish: (12:40) Cheryl+1
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:41) and ACTIVE being the critical term there Alan
Jonathan Zuck: (12:41) Dreamer!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:41) And hopefuly future Metrics will pressure on that Alan
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (12:43) More quality thna quantity
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:43) NEVER!!!!
Alan Greenberg: (12:44) I think we are being very selective at the moment (not always true in past years).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:44) Keep us at it JZ
Evin Erdogdu: (12:44) EPDP Blog from F2F in Los Angeles: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_epdp-2Dteam-2Dmakes-2Dimportant-2Dprogress-2Dduring-2Dlos-2Dangeles-2Dmeeting&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=t6Dy2Dp8z08aOnUPkQlcTZKIbUj_qWzBGzE_QiK4nvM&s=tZXvYD3p6_UgPMlIJP_A5bECT71n0QfWQpu987fltZ8&e=
Andrea Glandon: (12:44) She is not
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (12:44) I have no power to fire anyone, and certainly I would not dare firing Jonathan :-)
Holly Raiche: (12:46) The transcripts of those days are available - and worth reading for anyone interested - particularly when Goran attended
Holly Raiche: (12:48) He also discussed ICANN's role as a data controller - or a least joint controller
John Laprise: (12:49) Question (technical) has ICANN systematicly mapped out the data it collects, the legal rationales employed, and how it's used?
Evin Erdogdu: (12:50) Registration Directory Service (RDS-WHOIS2) Review Team Draft Report of Recommendations: https://community.icann.org/x/NgiNBQ
Evin Erdogdu: (12:50) (PC)
Holly Raiche: (12:50) @ John - yes - that was the discussion - what is collected - and the PURPOSE for its collection
John Laprise: (12:51) @Holly was that the discussion or has ICANN mapped it out?
Holly Raiche: (12:52) Not so much reduce - but establish the legal basis for collection, and understand the purpose/use of the data
John Laprise: (12:52) It sounds like ICANN isn't sure whether it's a data controller or a data processor
Holly Raiche: (12:52) @ John - a work in progress, from my reading. But do have a read
John Laprise: (12:53) If it's a processor, than the controller sets the rules and ICANN signs a bunch of DPAs
Holly Raiche: (12:53) @ John - Goran did talk about ICANN as a controller or joint controller
John Laprise: (12:53) Does GDPR countenance the concept of "joint controller" I don't remember seeing it\
Holly Raiche: (12:54) Controlleer because the RAA (or contract with registries) sets what must be collected -
John Laprise: (12:55) never mind...found it
Holly Raiche: (12:55) @ Jonn - Goran did say that there is - as Alan is saying - the situation isn't normal because ICANN says what must be collected and then someone else collects it
Bastiaan Goslings: (12:56) @John: see art 26
Bastiaan Goslings: (12:57) btw: is Seun still an alternate?
Holly Raiche: (12:57) @ Bastiaan - yes
Bastiaan Goslings: (12:57) oh... ok
John Laprise: (12:59) OMG joint control is a disaster waiting to happen. "3. Irrespective of the terms of the arrangement referred to in paragraph 1, the data subject may exercise his or her rights under this Regulation in respect of and against each of the controllers. "
Holly Raiche: (12:59) @ Tijani - that is what Goran was saying - the situation is not typical - as I said above - ICANN says what must be collected, but then it is the registry that collects - (and that was wha formed part of that discussion)
Holly Raiche: (13:00) Sorry - registrar that collects
Alfredo Calderon: (13:00) Yes he is.
Satish: (13:00) Yes
Holly Raiche: (13:03) @ John - to your question - that was what was being discussed
Holly Raiche: (13:05) Folks - could we get back to this session and not try to solve the EPDP issues
Bastiaan Goslings: (13:05) +1
Bastiaan Goslings: (13:05) we're meant to finish in 25 min
Holly Raiche: (13:06) (Maybe have a special session on EPDP)
Maria Korniiets: (13:08) Good evening. Really sorry, had severe connection problems.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:08) Google has had addresses that have been publicised open enough for many many years and they can cope with the spam problem. Spam is a matter of filtering etc. Not publishing an email address.
Andrea Glandon: (13:09) Hadia & Seun are not on the call.
Heidi Ullrich: (13:09) Greg should be on the call in 10 mins. His other presentation is running late.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:10) thanks @Heidi!
John Laprise: (13:17) and that's a GDPR problem...
Evin Erdogdu: (13:18) Welcome @Seun
Evin Erdogdu: (13:19) Sorry, that was for the AFRALO call :)
Holly Raiche: (13:20) @ staff - was the webinar on the RDS recorded and if so, maybe send th link to ALAC?
Evin Erdogdu: (13:21) @Holly will check and send if available, thank you
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (13:21) I have the AFRALO call now
Holly Raiche: (13:21) @ Evin - thanks
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (13:21) Have to leave this call
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (13:21) Bye
Holly Raiche: (13:21) Bye Tijani
Evin Erdogdu: (13:21) Thank you Tijani
Evin Erdogdu: (13:23) Updated UAM Draft Statement: https://community.icann.org/x/wwA5BQ
Evin Erdogdu: (13:24) @Holly, @Alfredo kindly shared RDS-WHOIS2 webinar recordings - https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/93129062
Evin Erdogdu: (13:25) Will get non-mobile link shortly
Evin Erdogdu: (13:26) Greg suggested submitting this week
Heidi Ullrich: (13:31) There will be a general session and a more focues session on Sunday afternoon.
Christopher Wilkinson: (13:33) I have a clash. With apologies. CW
Holly Raiche: (13:34) Bye Bye
Alfredo Calderon: (13:34) Have a great day! Bye!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:34) Thanks everyone I am excited to see how well we are all progressing here in the CPWG... Bye for now and safe travels for those doing so...
Heidi Ullrich: (13:34) Thanks All!
Evin Erdogdu: (13:34) Thank you all!
Kaili Kan: (13:34) Thanks!
Christopher Wilkinson: (13:34) B`ye CW
Gordon Chillcott: (13:34) Thanks and bye for now.
Andrea Glandon: (13:35) Hi Greg! The call just ended
Greg Shatan: (13:36) :-(
Andrea Glandon: (13:36) Apologies, thank you for trying!
Greg Shatan: (13:36) apologies
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