Yesim Nazlar: (7/18/2018 18:06) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 16:00 UTC.
Vanda Scartezini: (18:47) hi all
Vanda Scartezini: (18:47) yes
Yesim Nazlar: (18:48) Welcome Vanda!
Vanda Scartezini: (18:48) thanks I am on listen on option
Vanda Scartezini: (18:49) wit is early , just connected to not forget..
Alfredo Calderon: (18:54) Hello to all! Same as Vanda, just to not forget. Another meeting in 1 hour.
Yrjö Länsipuro: (18:55) Evin/Yesim, please enable the Adobe Connect audio!
Sebastien: (18:55) Hello can we have the use of the mic from Adobe room?
Evin Erdoğdu: (18:57) Hello all! IT has noted the AC Room has been having some audio issues.
Evin Erdoğdu: (18:57) Please let us know if you are having trouble hearing.
Sebastien: (18:58) Evin we want to be able to speak with ACR
Yrjö Länsipuro: (18:58) +1
Evin Erdoğdu: (18:59) @Sebastien noted
Yrjö Länsipuro: (18:59) Thank you Evin
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:00) Hello all, welcome
Jonathan Zuck: (19:01) Olivier?
Maureen Hilyard: (19:01) Good morning everyone
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:01) Hello Olivier!
Alberto Soto: (19:02) Hello everyone!
Satish Babu: (19:02) Hi all
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:02) Hello!
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:03) Good to have you here :)
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:04) Happy birthday, @Tijani!
Yrjö Länsipuro: (19:04) Happy Birthday, Tijani!
Satish Babu: (19:04) Yes
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:05) Action Items: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_DxgFBQ&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=OL0IfOn1TOQrrK5faDmmOyEC3vymlxwgcJm7TRb3Q9A&e=
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:05) (From previous call)
Sebastien: (19:08) Not sure during nother summer weekly is not to much
Vanda Scartezini: (19:08) happy birthday Tijani, lots of joy and success together with health in your life!
Holly Raiche: (19:09) Could we have a time that isn't AWFUL for Australia
Jonathan Zuck: (19:09) Happy to move to australia for the summer...
Maureen Hilyard: (19:09) Its 6am for me and I can live with that but it would be 2am for Cheryl and Holly
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:09) At-Large website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=w3H4YFA1O9CUmMfiG-Qv9GlKPIhPlBZM65s3yXFNfE4&e=
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:10) Policy Summary page on At-Large website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_policy-2Dsummary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=bXi3H5ds2iUNuRTh5bmYV5cE8OApgmxlpD-uMWoeqXA&e=
Vanda Scartezini: (19:10) totally agree with Holly ... a better time for each one each time is fair
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:10) Policy Developemnt wiki for At-Large: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_bwFO&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=9pXgqc5PaFyIFz8tYTx8Txa49tgx6dR01XgQKzGrZ-0&e=
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:10) How to best link the two
Maureen Hilyard: (19:11) @Holly Sounds like a great development for locating appropriate material
Joel Thayer: (19:12) Did the sound go out? I can't hear anything on my end.
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:12) Alan has raised his hand
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (19:12) sorry dropped
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (19:12) I gave he floor to ALan
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:12) @Joel we will grant you microphone access
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:13) Thanks @Olivier
Maureen Hilyard: (19:13) @Joel.. Holly was very quiet, but could just be heard by some
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:13) Policy Summary: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_policy-2Dsummary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=bXi3H5ds2iUNuRTh5bmYV5cE8OApgmxlpD-uMWoeqXA&e= Policy wiki: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_bwFO&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=9pXgqc5PaFyIFz8tYTx8Txa49tgx6dR01XgQKzGrZ-0&e=
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:14) @Jonathan sounds good
Joel Thayer: (19:14) Thank you! It's back on.
Maureen Hilyard: (19:15) @Holly.. I agree we have to make it easy for people to be able to comment or at least learn more about a particular policy topic
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:15) +1 Maureen & Holly
Alberto Soto: (19:16) +1 Maureen & Holly, but how??
Maureen Hilyard: (19:17) @Alberto.. i think that Alan is trying to explain the problem and what needs to be fixed
Sebastien: (19:17) Can this topic take care by Holly, Alan, OCL and Jonhatan and not to the whole group?
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) True - Reliance in mostly on the wiki
Sebastien: (19:18) We better use our time (as a whole group) on substance
Alberto Soto: (19:18) @Maureen, just in case, I have a weapon available ...
Bastiaan Goslings: (19:18) @Seb: +1
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) The sound is so far
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) can bearly hear you
Maureen Hilyard: (19:19) @Sebastian - the communication of policy is important to this group. At least lets get this discussion done now and then we can move on
Maureen Hilyard: (19:19) @Alberto.. cant wait to hear about this secret weapon :)
Jonathan Zuck: (19:19) is it helpful to do soething like this: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cpwg.wiki_policy&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=xcx-TP4Rq4E-9wjAPW4V7FC1QVfts2NKJrFoLakTSBE&e=
Vanda Scartezini: (19:20) agree Holly
Yrjö Länsipuro: (19:20) We need a tool that everyone can use. The alternatie: a zillion of emails
Alfredo Calderon: (19:20) <Comment>Please, this is something that can be resolved offline <Comment>
Vanda Scartezini: (19:20) it is relevant to make as clear as possible
Jonathan Zuck: (19:20) I'm NO fan of email for discussions
Maureen Hilyard: (19:20) @Jonathan Ditto
Alberto Soto: (19:21) @ Jonathan, I do not either, it's better in the wiki, you can follow the thread of the discussion
Jonathan Zuck: (19:22) I'll work on it with staff
Alan Greenberg: (19:22) There is another meeting butted against this one so we have a hard stop.
Holly Raiche: (19:22) @ Jonathan - great - and happy to help if needs be
Maureen Hilyard: (19:23) @Greg I like that idea.. keeping the threads together as we already do...
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:26) +1 Jonathan
Alan Greenberg: (19:27) Most people (but not all!) can access Google Docs.
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:27) google docs are great and provides more room for collaboration
Holly Raiche: (19:28) @ Hadia - agreed, but they are necessarily easy for everyone to use - some people have difficulty
Holly Raiche: (19:29) Also - maybe ask the tchnology team for advice on collaboration
Satish Babu: (19:29) Agree on a Policy Anchor/Policy Champion on a per-RALO basis for important projects...
Maureen Hilyard: (19:29) +1 Satish
Holly Raiche: (19:30) One person from EACH RALO ?
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:30) + alan and satish
Greg Shatan: (19:30) I suggest you get a list of At Large participants in Sub Pro, etc.
Vanda Scartezini: (19:30) from our RAlO I am attending all and work on it and normally share with colleagues in LACRALO
Alberto Soto: (19:31) Me too Vanda
Maureen Hilyard: (19:31) @Jonathan I agree
Alan Greenberg: (19:31) If we do not have one person per RALO who is willing to take this on, then we cannot expect substantive involvement from each RALO.
Vanda Scartezini: (19:32) yes Alberto in our RALo we are normally working in several policies and sharing our thoughts around
Alan Greenberg: (19:32) Perhaps if there is no one for a RALO, it is a message that this ralo does not want to have a coordinated involvement.
Greg Shatan: (19:32) I think this is a good idea, speaking as a RALO participant (as an ALS representative). Filling that middle Olivier refers to is crucial.
Greg Shatan: (19:33) With apologies, I must be going.
Holly Raiche: (19:33) Sorry - I misunerstood - I agree - One person as liaison from each RALO - to manage policy input
Maureen Hilyard: (19:33) Thanks for coming Greg
Evin Erdoğdu: (19:33) Thank you @Greg noted
Yesim Nazlar: (19:34) Thanks for joining Greg!
Vanda Scartezini: (19:34) ALberto and I already do this inside lacralo as well other colleagues
Holly Raiche: (19:35) So have Jonathan, OCL and a rep from each RALO? as a management group?
Vanda Scartezini: (19:36) Holly it is normal in our ralo
Vanda Scartezini: (19:36) Alberto myself and for other groups other colleagues do the smae
Alberto Soto: (19:36) Yes Vanda, but we have to change the communication strategy with the ALSs to improvethe participation.
Vanda Scartezini: (19:37) alberto - we could have Emeritus group trying to do this kind of task communicating with all
Alberto Soto: (19:37) ok
Alberto Soto: (19:38) ok
Maureen Hilyard: (19:38) But at the same time the point is to involve as many people who are focusing on each policy issue as possible.. the more people we can involve from within each RALO is also an issue
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:39) True maureen
Jonathan Zuck: (19:39) Agree completely
Maureen Hilyard: (19:39) @Alan.. but that's because they don't understand what the policy is about...what it involves
Vanda Scartezini: (19:39) it is true. ALAN, hard to convivnce people to comment
Satish Babu: (19:39) +1 Maureen...once we have a policy anchor, his/her immediate challenge would be to stimulate participation from individuals + ALS members...
Vanda Scartezini: (19:40) even some responding directly to us ... but it is another job to add their comments to the wiki...
Maureen Hilyard: (19:40) @Jonathan.. yes we want to get more information out there..
Maureen Hilyard: (19:40) +1 Satish
Holly Raiche: (19:42) May I please have a dial out - I was cut off - tks
Yesim Nazlar: (19:42) @Holly: redialing you now
Alan Greenberg: (19:42) We have 18 minutes left.
Vanda Scartezini: (19:43) outreach will satrt at top of the hour
Maureen Hilyard: (19:44) Sounds good
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:45) holly i can bearly hear you
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:48) yes tijani
Yrjö Länsipuro: (19:50) Alan +1
Vanda Scartezini: (19:50) almost the same persons are working on policy, and mjority is trying to align with all groups
Hadia Elminiawi: (19:51) +1 alan
Jonathan Zuck: (19:51) AGree completely. We're not disagreeing
Derek Smythe: (19:53) End user: Are victims of DNS abuse, areas where UDRPs do not apply. Third party rights.
Jonathan Zuck: (19:54) MOST of the time
Maureen Hilyard: (19:54) @Olivier - the principles suggested are great but perhaps a little bit of wordsmithing might be needed (by a small group) to ensure that everyone feels comfortable with what is there
Satish Babu: (19:55) Is "Type of Activity" too limited in scope? Would it be a "role" or "position" or "interest"?
Yrjö Länsipuro: (19:56) A suggestion for 6 b: At-Large seeks commen ground with other groups on isses where coordination/cooperation will further the interests of end users
Vanda Scartezini: (19:58) Yrjo, interesting to have points of cooperation
Alan Greenberg: (19:58) Clearly we will not have time to talk about the EPDP which may be convened as soon as next week. How do we cover that?
Jonathan Zuck: (19:58) exactly
Jonathan Zuck: (19:58) a "hat" is a good analogy
Alan Greenberg: (19:59) Yes Tijani, but when the interests of registran end user differ from the vast majority conflict, we need to make a choice.
Alan Greenberg: (20:02) I agree Sebastien. Just because you happen to be making money, that does not mean your needs are not aligned with other end users.
Jonathan Zuck: (20:02) agree
Vanda Scartezini: (20:02) outreach will start and we need to leave
Hadia Elminiawi: (20:02) +1 Sebastain
Vanda Scartezini: (20:02) agree Sebastien
Vanda Scartezini: (20:03) thank to all will leave to join outreach group
Bastiaan Goslings: (20:03) thanks a lot
Hadia Elminiawi: (20:03) Thank you -
Evin Erdoğdu: (20:03) Thank you all! Looking forward to the next CPWG call.
Bastiaan Goslings: (20:03) ciao!
Godon Chillcott - Greater Toronto Area Linux Users Group: (20:04) Thanks, Jon and looking forward to the next draft.
Maureen Hilyard: (20:04) thanks all
Alberto Soto: (20:04) Bye!! Thanks!!
Hadia Elminiawi: (20:04) it was quite an optimistic agenda
Maureen Hilyard: (20:04) GReat OLivier
Hadia Elminiawi: (20:04) yes olivier
Godon Chillcott - Greater Toronto Area Linux Users Group: (20:05) Thanks again and bye for now.
Hadia Elminiawi: (20:05) bye
Evin Erdoğdu: (20:05) Thank you all for your participation!
Yesim Nazlar: (20:05) Thank you all!
Kaili Kan: (20:05) thanks!
