Claudia Ruiz:Welcome to the Finance and Budget Subcommittee Working Group Call on Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:30 UTC
Claudia Ruiz:https://community.icann.org/x/A5MWBg
Evin Erdoğdu:Hello all, welcome.
Maureen Hilyard:Hi there
Silvia Vivanco:Hello all
Ricardo Holmquist:good day everyone
Alfredo Calderon:Buen día, ta oo o noche par todos. / Good morning, afternoon or evening to all.
Silvia Vivanco:Hello all
Glenn McKnight:Hi all
Alberto Soto:Hello everyone!
Glenn McKnight:On the ALAC call this week I mentioned the need to have a mandatory webinar on the expectations of the ABR submissions.
Glenn McKnight:I think fewer and quality proposals is a prudent idea, waste less time for all
Heidi Ullrich:@All, please see the FY20 Budget Development Workspace to review all the ABRs at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+FY20+Budget+Development+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich:I have posted updates .
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Thx @Heidi... AGree totally @Glenn
Glenn McKnight:In the case of ISOC Beyond the Net they have a webinar to go over the guidelines and answer questions
Judith Hellerstein:Yes and they run a couple versions of this webinar
Alfredo Calderon:Had to reboot, seems like I had an elf...
Glenn McKnight:I only assume that when proposals are rejected they take it personally
Glenn McKnight:Gremlins
Judith Hellerstein:I am also here
Maureen Hilyard:Our first fbsc meeting included the finance team who came and explained the expectations of the ABRs
Alfredo Calderon:@Glenn, yes! Gremlins also.
Glenn McKnight:@Maureen something is lost from that first meeting and the applications
Judith Hellerstein:Please list me as one of the participants
Glenn McKnight:Perhaps a checklist would help
Glenn McKnight:k
Claudia Ruiz:Welcome Harold Arcos
Glenn McKnight:Need to have Discretionary Funding spending be included in the CROP plans
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):A fair paramenter IMO @Heidi
Harold Arcos:Thanks Claudia, hi all, apologies for late connect.
Glenn McKnight:Yes
Judith Hellerstein:yes. Also that if the regional leadership approves the discretionary fund requests it should be allowed to go forward
Glenn McKnight:CROP and Discretionary Funding has different purposes, Each can compliment each ie. Registrations not covered by CROP
Claudia Ruiz:Welcome Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):That sentence (true or not) doesn't add anything
Judith Hellerstein:yes and extra hotel days so people do not have to leave the conference they are on early
Glenn McKnight:ie. NTC 19 and Digital Inclusion conferences have conference fees. We in NARALO needed to use Discretionary funds for the registration
Glenn McKnight:Are we voting on each item?
Maureen Hilyard:Alberto. I have seen your hand.
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Thanks@Claudia
Glenn McKnight:Cheryl is doing it right with check marks
Heidi Ullrich:Great idea, Cheryl
Heidi Ullrich:@Evin, could you please monitor the check marks?
Glenn McKnight:My check mark in both ideas
Judith Hellerstein:I managed to get a speaker slot for NTEN so they will waive my registration fee, but have to leave the conference early if I cannot use the discretionary fund to pay for extra nights. This si why they go hand in hand
Glenn McKnight:The use of the term Discretionary is key
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):and fits the criteria and parameters
Glenn McKnight:Can we vote?
Claudia Ruiz:ok , gone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Agree to withdraw
Glenn McKnight:@Evin the Policy Capacity Building is not a ABR but integrated with existing or new materials
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):agree again to withdraw
Glenn McKnight:It might be added to the ATLAS 3 programme
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):good to go
Judith Hellerstein:Dave Kissondoyal is trying to get into the call
Claudia Ruiz:@Judith, he joned but dropped
Glenn McKnight:Maureen shouldn't be penalized
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):SUpport ! not 2 in this ABR
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):1 not 2
Glenn McKnight:we should find some money a bit from all the RALO funds. I suggest we pledge up to $500 from each RALO on this item
Claudia Ruiz:Welcome Wale Bakare
Judith Hellerstein:can some one call out to him them. He is trying to get in
Claudia Ruiz:@Judith- The operator is dialing out to him. Thank you.
Wale Bakare:Thanks, Claudia
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):I doubt *ANY* IGF based ones will succeed so really question putting ANY of them in as ABRs I would tend to reject any Non specific Policy ICANN topic ones
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):AGree @Heidi
Glenn McKnight:Ah, Heidi point about the ABR guidelines needs to be very clear. so people don't waste their time
Heidi Ullrich:Yes, Glenn. I was only made aware of this recently. It is a rationale, not a criteria.
Glenn McKnight:Again a webinar states clearly, NO IGF Proposals , etc
Glenn McKnight:Its a moving target
Glenn McKnight:It happened with CROP changes too.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Yup
Judith Hellerstein:Yes I agree with Glenn that is what it says but then other constituencies got funding for IGF so I think that is why it shows up again
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): a product of org 'evolution' at times as well @Glenn
Judith Hellerstein:NCUC has often gotten funding
Glenn McKnight:they get funding from various sources. ie ISOC etc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):from ICANN Judith or from their PIR funds
Glenn McKnight:We were not funded by ICANN , Yes NCUC was there but no idea who funded them
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):yes and ISOC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):snap @Glenn :-)
Judith Hellerstein:i think they got funding from the PIR funds
Glenn McKnight:I self funded
Glenn McKnight:No request to ISOC but I could
Glenn McKnight:Me too
Glenn McKnight:Can people vote please
Glenn McKnight:Hopefully we get it clear to people next year in the changing prioriies
Glenn McKnight:Judith and alfredo voted no
Ricardo Holmquist:You don´t need a ZOOM License to try, you can do that for free
Judith Hellerstein:we can only have 40 minutes for free
Ricardo Holmquist:Yes, I know
Heidi Ullrich:All RALOs have AC rooms they can use anytime
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Agree to drop as the ABR ( as discussed as @Glenn notes last call)
Ricardo Holmquist:I use it for free in ISOC Venezuela
Heidi Ullrich:and staff support is available.
Claudia Ruiz:Welcome Dave Kissoondoyal
Glenn McKnight:yes
Dave Kissoondoyal:sorry i had issues with AC and just entered now
Dave Kissoondoyal:Hi all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):SHift to CROP makes sense
Glenn McKnight:move on
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Don't submit
Glenn McKnight:crop, crop crop
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3)::-) @ Glenn
Glenn McKnight:crop crop crop
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):See how we go woth this one it may provide leverage even if it fails
Glenn McKnight:no idea how much money has been spent or amount per ralo at this stage
Glenn McKnight:IGF?
Glenn McKnight:we need to be consistent since we rejected oters
Glenn McKnight:all or none I guess
Ricardo Holmquist:regional and global IGF you mean?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):That makes sense to me other funding options not ABR
Ricardo Holmquist:At the end it says, and support three people to IGF
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):indeed @Maureen
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Makes good sense @Heidi
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Yes it is another IGF
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):But not funded under ABR correct?
Glenn McKnight:LACNIC and SSIG has been alot on IG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Clumsy AC use Sorry
Glenn McKnight:people like Alan, Holly etc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Nicely modified @Glenn looks excellent and makes sense to me...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):is there an Aspect that still needs ABR then??
Alberto Soto 2:30 is ok, 60 is bad
Ricardo Holmquist:There are two other meetings in FY20!
Judith Hellerstein:captioning of videos
Ricardo Holmquist:we can´t have everything in Montreal
Heidi Ullrich:This would be directly related to the Review Implementation, too.
Alfredo Calderon:And 'Mentors' ...
Heidi Ullrich:Which is noted in the review
Holly Raiche:Thanks Heidi - yes, there is that tie in as well
Glenn McKnight:A bowl of soup and some crackers:)
Glenn McKnight:Or Poutine
Judith Hellerstein:Remember the vegetarians
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):@Heidi picked up my point re RTT I think it would come in under the costs of creatingthe corse IN the Lean budget
Glenn McKnight:k
Judith Hellerstein:@CLO yes that was my idea for the RTT
Glenn McKnight:NA Indigenous Fellowship, it was funded before
Glenn McKnight:Heidi keeps breaking up
Judith Hellerstein:oh you as well. I thought it was my adobe but guess it was her
Glenn McKnight:I don't think we will see any Indigenous applications appoved inthe general pool
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):ANd Fellowship has now had quite an overhauld
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):proactove promotion makes great sense to me
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):and is probably a Core expense not an ABR
Glenn McKnight:I don't have any confidence that they will be selected
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):The community based selection process will surely assist
Glenn McKnight:The problem of minoriies ie. ROMA in Europe suffer the same problem
Heidi Ullrich:It would be useful if the global indigenous mentors and graduates of the previous groups could promote the program.
Alfredo Calderon:+1 Yes @Judith. So that is why I have suggested short video clips to submit as part of the application.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):We can assist by helping lower barriers to engagement by whatever means but it's a mix of proaction and reaction / analysis
Judith Hellerstein:@alfredo great idea. make sure the videos be captioned
Heidi Ullrich:Could we set up a call with Ergys, Siranush, Loris and Alfredo?
Glenn McKnight:we still see ageism and lack fo people with disabled persons in the Fellowship program
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):I suspect Siranush and her team would be wellopen to that
Heidi Ullrich:to discuss how to get more indigenous people to apply
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):More diversity in general
Glenn McKnight:please one person speak
Glenn McKnight:agreed to proceed or reject
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):tIME TO PERHAPS REFINE GOOD IDEA @hEIDI
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Sorry Caps
Alfredo Calderon:@Heidi, fine with me.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): still dark here in AU
Ricardo Holmquist:You do request english speaking. For our Indigenous people in Venezuela, and in general in Latin America it is their third language, so the chance is very low
Judith Hellerstein:yes fellowship has this requirement
Glenn McKnight:Lots of ICANN involvement
Judith Hellerstein:of speaking only english
Claudia Ruiz:Welcome Humberto Carrasco
Humberto Carrasco:Apologise for being late
Glenn McKnight:alos a separate French language track
Harold Arcos:@Ricardo remember in AbuDhabi Ruben Hilari attended from Bolivia, The language is not a problem if the embassador have that skill.
Glenn McKnight:Chris and us have not yet spoken on his sponsorship
Glenn McKnight:this is fine
Glenn McKnight:10K
Ricardo Holmquist:@Harold, we also had Lilian. What I mena is that it is very difficult for our indigenous people to ask for a fellowship, becasue they learn their language, then spanish or portuguese, and then english. It not the same in North America
Heidi Ullrich:The RALO discretionary funding spent and remaining is stated on the RALO Discretionary funding workspace.
Glenn McKnight:5 board members , Many ATLARGE involvement etc.
Glenn McKnight:similar to LACRALO proposal
Silvia Vivanco:RALO Discretionary funding: https://community.icann.org/display/CRALO/RALO+Requests+for+Funding+to+support+an+Outreach+Activity
Glenn McKnight:fine
Evin Erdoğdu:At-Large workspace on ICANN Draft FY20 Operating Plan and Budget and Five-Year Operating Plan Update: https://community.icann.org/x/4YEWBg
Harold Arcos:oh! yes @Ricardo
Heidi Ullrich:FY20 Budget statement (At-Large) - https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+ICANN+Draft+FY20+Operating+Plan+and+Budget+and+Five-Year+Operating+Plan+Update
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):it was only 60 in the iCal but happy for 30 mins extra for these other iportant Agenda points
Heidi Ullrich:Thank you all for your requests and for the good discussion.
Judith Hellerstein:Yes CLO. I also had it down for 60 minutes as well
Heidi Ullrich:@Cheryl, sorry! You are right!
Heidi Ullrich:I thought this was a 90 min call as last week.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Remember Feb 8th is still pretty close on time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):so lots to still do on this
Evin Erdoğdu:Executive Summaries: ALAC Policy Comments & Advice: https://community.icann.org/x/i5IWBg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):we and the Bac together raising issues.
Judith Hellerstein:Yes I have not had a chance to do it yet
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Maureen we also need to GET core budget support for various aspects of ARIWG Implementation in theis comming FY20 Budget
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):that is *** ESSENTIAL*** we stated so in our Imp PLan
Alfredo Calderon:Tijani is on the phone bridge.
Judith Hellerstein:Yes. I had an issue as well which has delayed me from doing wotk on it
Holly Raiche:Tijani said he will be commenting in the coming week
Alfredo Calderon:@Maureen, you are actually breaking out/in.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):audio is choppy
Holly Raiche:Maureen - echoing Alfredo - you are facing in and out
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):I hope my audio was OK
Heidi Ullrich:Evin and I will be happy to begin the work on the preamble.
Maureen Hilyard:yes it is choppy at my end as well..
Alfredo Calderon:Yes @Cheryl. your audio was fine.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Thx
Maureen Hilyard:Ill await another call.. but I like the idea of transferring the info to the Google Doc for people to add and pick to pieces etc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Great that can be an AI then
Heidi Ullrich:Two Year Planning Consultation: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+First+Consultation+on+a+2-Year+Planning+Process
Ricardo Holmquist:Are we supporting the two year in advance planning?
Ricardo Holmquist:too much
Evin Erdoğdu:At-Large Workspace: First Consultation on a 2-Year Planning Process: https://community.icann.org/x/f4kWBg
Heidi Ullrich:From the ICANN PC: During discussions on planning, the issue of lacking enough time to allow for more community engagement in the planning process has led to the question of whether extending the planning process from 1 year to 2 years could be helpful. ICANN org is following on the question by initiating a process to first consult and then propose such a planning process.
Judith Hellerstein:We do not know
Heidi Ullrich:From the paper: Over the past 2 years, at various occasions, the simple idea of extending the time spent to planhas been raised. If one year is not enough, can we extend the planning process to 2 years?This document is therefore intending to initiate the process to describe what a 2-year planningprocess could be.
Heidi Ullrich:I believe it the 2 year budget proces is to allow more time in the planning of the budget process.
Judith Hellerstein:Yes @heidi that is what I was saying
Heidi Ullrich:The PC consists of a number of questions .
Heidi Ullrich:would it be useful for the FBSC to have a call to discuss a first draft?
Heidi Ullrich:similar to the CPWG has done for the EPDP questions
Judith Hellerstein:Good Ideas Cheryl,
Judith Hellerstein:Also TTF as well as crop
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):and Annual cycles means there is too little time for COmmunity adjustments to change to occur
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Exactly @Maureen it allows for Effective collaborative and codefied processes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):IF it's designed right in the stage 2 of the process
Heidi Ullrich:@Maureen, would an FBSC call next week to review both draft statement be useful?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):at the moment it is a dog chasing its tail
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):this **shoud** result in BETTER outcomes and opportunity for refinement and communications
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):all about the solutions phase
Heidi Ullrich:4 mins to Social Media WG call.
Alfredo Calderon:Yes @Heidi. Back to back meetings.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Remember it is also allowing for having funds usage over projects that overlap a couple of FY's
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):we are not up to the solutions phase
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): Perhaps worth another Fand BC call ON this issue
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):now you are post ABR
Alfredo Calderon:Agree @Cheryl. The 1st phase is just to get a sense of what community feels of a two-Year planning process. Basically, we could do a further detailed budget correlation.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):That needs ore discussion @Judith because I thought it was page based edits
Glenn McKnight:Judith can you provide the documentation on this
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):not DOC nased
Ricardo Holmquist:bye everyone
Glenn McKnight:this room.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Some of us are going to SoMe
Glenn McKnight:not many are making the switch
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Dave Kissoondoyal:ok bye to all - I am going to the At-Large Social Media Working Group Call
Glenn McKnight:bye
Alfredo Calderon:Bye.
Judith Hellerstein:bye all
Wale Bakare 2:Ok, thanks, bye!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3):Bye for now
Kaili Kan:Bye!
Alberto Soto:Thanks,bye bye!!
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Byez
