Zoom chat: 2019-12-11 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:33:45 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 11 December 2019 at 13:00 UTC
15:33:57 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/wgJhBw
15:55:03 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:57:05 From ali almeshal : hello from Bahrain
15:57:17 From Hadia : Hi ali
15:57:25 From gunela : Hello everyone
15:57:31 From Maria Maria : Hello everyone!
15:57:32 From Fouad Bajwa : Hello Everybody!!!
15:57:44 From Aisyah Shakirah : hello everyone! :)
15:57:45 From Hadia : Hello all
15:57:48 From Priyatosh Jana : Hi....Everybody.....greetings from India
15:57:57 From Isaac Maposa : Hi everyone
15:59:55 From Katambi Joan (ISOC UGANDA) : Good evening to you all.
16:01:05 From Sylvia Herlein Leite : HELLO EVEYBODY!
16:01:30 From Kristina Hakobyan : Hello, everyone
16:01:31 From BillBill Jouris : Good (very) early morning all.
16:01:34 From casas cristian : buen día a todes
16:06:52 From Maria Maria : +
16:08:23 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:09:18 From Judith Hellerstein : thanks Yesim
16:09:19 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Hi, I'm a bit late.
16:09:24 From Sonigitu Ekpe : Good day All!
16:09:54 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi every one
16:11:11 From Sebastien Bachollet : I will have one AOB
16:11:14 From Katambi Joan (ISOC UGANDA) : hi Yesim, the volume is so low , I can hardly here Olivier speak
16:12:09 From Yesim Nazlar : @Joan - his audio is loud enough for me, you may wish to try adjusting the audio on your side.
16:13:01 From Katambi Joan (ISOC UGANDA) : noted
16:15:45 From Evin Erdoğdu : 10 December Google Doc (comment only): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pd1KLfbQzWLy6uOjy4NmAhLtY2CYGH5i2I2VrqjZuK4/edit?usp=sharing
16:18:57 From León Sánchez : hello everyone. my apologies for joining late
16:19:05 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome Leon
16:19:25 From Filina Natalia : Hello everyone!
16:24:12 From Judith Hellerstein : @evin in future can you make sure that all slides shown on the call have a web link so that people with accessibility challenges can see it since screen readers cannot see a shared screen
16:24:19 From Justine Chew : It's an example of incentive. We can identify good actors. Bad actors are more difficult to deal with.
16:24:25 From BillBill Jouris : Saying "lower fees for good actors" *sounds* less confrontational than "raise rates for bad actors". Even if the actual impact is identical
16:25:00 From gunela : +1 @Judith
16:25:20 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Like Sébastien I think that the base fee should remain the same but bad actors should be penalised. Not a lowering of fees for good actors. The norm is to be a good actor and not a bad actor
16:25:50 From Justine Chew : Think of it as rewarding good actors!
16:26:23 From Justine Chew : +1 Jonathan
16:26:47 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : how much lower can you lower per domain transaction fees? They are already incredibly low - pennies
16:27:13 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : lowering the fees increases the likelihood of domainers buying bulk and making things worse
16:27:16 From BillBill Jouris : And complaining about not being rewarded is, in reality, harder to justify than complaining about being penalized.
16:27:27 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ok thx Jonathan
16:27:39 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Bill
16:27:52 From Hadia : thank you Jonathan
16:27:53 From Evin Erdoğdu : Please comment on 10 December Google Doc (comment only): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pd1KLfbQzWLy6uOjy4NmAhLtY2CYGH5i2I2VrqjZuK4/edit?usp=sharing
16:29:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Jonathan - what are the next steps on the DNS Abuse as the deadline is 11th Dec?
16:29:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : When is this going out
16:36:57 From Justine Chew : Because GAC's letter was to SubPro PDP WG. So our action is a letter to SubPro PDP WG also.
16:37:45 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I noted that the letter is to the SubPro co-Chairs cc to the
16:37:56 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : GAC
16:38:21 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted, thank you
16:38:45 From Hadia : thank you
16:39:11 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : With thanks to Justine for taking this initiative on behalf of the ALAC
16:39:12 From Justine Chew : SubPro Workspace will continue to be populated .... soon!
16:39:27 From Aris Ignacio : +1 Justine
16:39:50 From Justine Chew : Sub Pro Updates Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/6a_jBg
16:40:00 From Sylvia Herlein Leite : sorry, I have to go. Another meeting. Lac readout
16:40:14 From Yesim Nazlar : thank you for joining Sylvia
16:51:49 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : This is on https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update
16:52:07 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ICANN Board is asking for more transparency
16:52:17 From Sebastien Bachollet : https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/jeffrey-to-sullivan-nevett-09dec19-en.pdf
16:52:27 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Sébastien
16:54:10 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ICANN traditionally publishes all correspondence - and it is surprising that they end up drafting such a letter to "ask" for transparency and asking for PIR to reconsider their request for confidentiality
16:55:09 From Justine Chew : That's more a registrant issue than an end-user issue.
16:55:33 From Justine Chew : ie. risk of price increase
16:57:12 From Justine Chew : +! Jonathan
17:00:56 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I've to leave for an other call. Thank you for the updates
17:01:42 From Zak Muscovitch : The point is that if Ethos is saying they don't plan on raising prices more than 10%, then put it in a contract like other commitments.
17:03:27 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Hi all
17:03:36 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : sorry for the delay
17:04:31 From Justine Chew : Price regulation is not something that's within At-Large
17:04:31 From BillBill Jouris : Agreed. Price increases seem far less of a potential problem than the potential impact of aggressive marketing on .org's standing as a home for non-profits.
17:04:42 From Justine Chew : At-Large's remit
17:05:02 From BillBill Jouris : + 1 Zak
17:05:27 From BillBill Jouris : That's what contracts are for
17:05:35 From Justine Chew : I agree with Jonathan and Greg
17:07:26 From Justine Chew : It is more appropriately for At-Large to intervene, if at all, on the angles mentioned by Jonathan and Greg, but not on price.
17:09:32 From Hadia : what matters to end users is the public interest aspect and whether the new registry being a for profit entity could truly act in the public interest.
17:10:30 From Sebastien Bachollet : Some of the main voices against this sell are .org registrants from before PIR
17:10:47 From Hadia : and I agree the pricing does not really matter much to end users
17:12:12 From Sebastien Bachollet : We can’t mesure success about TLDs by number and say that It is different for PIR
17:13:59 From Sebastien Bachollet : And the real price for registrants is setup by registrars not by registries
17:14:23 From Justine Chew : Thanks JZ
17:14:26 From Hadia : thanks Jonathan
17:14:58 From Zak Muscovitch : Thanks Jonathan!
17:15:55 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : agree Jonathan
17:16:23 From Hadia : I shall need to leave now - bye for now
17:16:55 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thank @Hadia!
17:17:05 From Jonathan : I think so. let's vote on it
17:17:35 From Michel TCHONANG : Agree
17:19:24 From Justine Chew : I believe so too!
17:20:44 From Judith Hellerstein : Thanks Olivier
17:20:56 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 on the ALAC making a statement directly to the Board based on the concerns raised by the community in Montreal
17:21:05 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : re DNS Abuse
17:21:50 From Justine Chew : Thanks Leon for saying so
17:21:52 From Alberto Soto : Sorry, I must leave the call, bye !!
17:22:12 From León Sánchez : yes. I’m agreeing with you Jonathan ;-)
17:23:21 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Upcoming Public Comments: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/upcoming-2012-02-25-en
17:23:23 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : am in agreement with the ALAC statement
17:28:15 From Justine Chew : The 2 on FY21 Operating Plan & Budget and FY21-Fy25 Operating & Financial Plan should go straight to ALAC Finance & Budget Subcommittee
17:30:10 From Judith Hellerstein : the only issue is that the finance committee meeting does not meet that often
17:30:17 From Jonathan : agree
17:30:39 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : FBSC needs to be more active & call in when such a Public Comment comes out
17:31:11 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : I agree FBSC need more action
17:31:15 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes I agree
17:31:30 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : The FBSC will be meeting more regularly due to public comments as well as ABRs and other issues. Calls are coming up soon
17:32:18 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I assume all RALOs have submitted their members for the 2020 FBSC
17:32:31 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : thank you Sebastian
17:33:26 From Justine Chew : Would the At-Large reps on ATRT3 lead our dellberations on the recommendations, slidedecks etc
17:33:57 From Justine Chew : ?
17:34:47 From Justine Chew : Agree!
17:34:48 From Sebastien Bachollet : We are not as good as you Justine but we can try
17:35:25 From Justine Chew : I'm you'll be great
17:35:35 From Justine Chew : I'm sure you'll be great
17:35:41 From Jonathan : Thanks everyone!
17:35:46 From León Sánchez : thanks everyone
17:35:53 From León Sánchez : have a great rest of your day
17:36:00 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : thank you all
17:36:00 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all!
17:36:03 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : bye
17:36:13 From Kristina Hakobyan : thanks everyone, see you at the next meeting
17:36:14 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank everyone, bye
17:36:15 From Fouad Bajwa : Bye all, thank you!!!
17:36:15 From Filina Natalia : thanks all!
17:36:18 From Isaac Maposa : Thanks. Bye
17:36:19 From Priyatosh Jana : thanks all..good bye all
17:36:22 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : thank you all
17:36:23 From gunela : Thank you, Bye everyone
17:36:34 From Sylvia Herlein Leite : bye
17:36:35 From Sylvia Herlein Leite : tks