Zoom chat: 2021-04-07 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

18:32:37 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 07 April 2021 at 16:00 UTC.
18:32:47 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/uYaUCQ
18:52:42 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone : Hello! The captions are all set.
18:53:16 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Hi Bonnie, welcome and thanks!
18:58:41 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Top of the morning, everyone! (Although I realize Cheryl is probably closer to the actual top than I am just now.)
19:00:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : Evening, Afternoon, Morning all.
19:00:47 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Hello everyone
19:02:23 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : The .EU registry is celebrating their 15th anniversary today. 3.6 m. Names since the initial land rush.
19:03:29 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : @Christopher: Congrats to .EU.
19:03:33 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : And still not a replacement for .COM in the EU marketplace. It might have been very different had the initial years gone differently.
19:05:12 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
19:05:33 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : @John, The First Mover advantage of TLDs like .com is substantial
19:06:35 From Alejandro Pisanty to Everyone : Aljeandro Pisanty here for SSR2 review response, hi all
19:06:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @Bill Yep. But .EU had a massive opportunity to replace .COM as the second choice TLD in the EU. Even the ccTLDs hadn't reached their level of market dominance at the time.
19:07:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @Bill It is a very sticky TLD in terms of renewals. That's a very good thing.
19:07:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : @Bill well this did not happen
19:08:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @Bill .COM is running around 51% to 56% first renewals at the moment. The ccTLDs tend to be at least 10% higher and often around 70%. It is a brand protection registration effect.
19:08:40 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone : @John - it took ages to get it authorised with the question f whether it is a ccTLD or not
19:08:49 From Satish Babu to Everyone : We had Graeme over in the last APRALO meeting...
19:08:52 From Gisella Gruber to Everyone : AI Noted
19:09:42 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez to Everyone : :)
19:09:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @Roberto Yep. It also coincided with a period of massive speculation for which Eurid was completely unprepared. It is hard not to feel sorry for them as they were completely overwhelmed.
19:09:58 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone : What IGO stand for?
19:10:18 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Inter-governmental Organizations
19:10:27 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : IGO = Inter Governmental Organisation
19:11:13 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone : Many thanks. I recommend to change the title in the agenda to the actual name and put the abbreviation between parenthesis. That goes for the rest.
19:16:12 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : good point Eduardo. Thanks
19:17:24 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Back now.
19:19:29 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : @Alan I agree -
19:19:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Noted 2Alan and thanks to both you ad @Hadia
19:19:50 From CMR CAPDA Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : HI everyone
19:21:28 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : none that we know about
19:25:07 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : https://docs.google.com/document/d/15lERHqqfqjyK4p2Hz8uhX_ApX6eKUrc5OjSxGVbeNbM/edit
19:25:08 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://docs.google.com/document/d/15lERHqqfqjyK4p2Hz8uhX_ApX6eKUrc5OjSxGVbeNbM/edit
19:27:26 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : Most of the registries that have "strayed" from their original model for the gTLD have done so because their business model didn't work. It was either change or fail.
19:29:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-) indeed we did @Alan
19:30:41 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Not even to Compliance, it turns out
19:33:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Agree with the changes
19:33:53 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : It's certainly a novel legal position that you don't have to comply with a contract's terms unless someone can show harm.
19:35:25 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : Is there anything in the registry agreements that states clearly that a gTLD has to be used for the purpose outlined in the application (Semantic web/on-topic websites)?
19:36:21 From Justine Chew to Everyone : There isn't anything stopping frivolous complaints now.
19:38:44 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : But if we don't have a problem with people abusing the complaint process, why worry about it?
19:39:41 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : It is an argument that's brought forward to pushback on being able to make a complaint without showing direct harm.
19:39:42 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone : +1 Alan
19:39:56 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone : Looking at history ..
19:40:37 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Supporting Alan’s amendments. CW
19:41:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : RSP
19:42:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : If anyone thinks that registry mergers have increased, they are nothing compared to the increasing concentration at registrar and reseller level. It is a dangerously political topic for ICANN.
19:44:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @CW the gTLDs are massively concentrated at registrar level at the moment. Doms per Registrars is no longer a reliable metric on concentration.
19:45:06 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : We need to ban them!
19:45:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : Some big registrar operators have over 100 resellers with different brands.
19:47:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Upfront bids are key to temper this behavior
19:47:59 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : <question>If we disagree in privat auctions, will then the outcome of an action go to ICANN? And then we will have a (endless) discussion on how ICANN should spend the money?</question>
19:49:38 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Yes justine thanks for this
19:49:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Good question Steiner. Perhaps a tie in to Applicant Support
19:50:09 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : I support a viceroy auction as Jonathan Z suggested
19:50:41 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Yes we could ties this in to application support and also get bidding credits for small operators
19:50:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Sure
19:51:16 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone : Steinar we can imagine that the process to spend the auction proceeds for the last round will be use for any future rounds?
19:51:55 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone : Vickrey Auction?
19:52:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : It is difficult to determine if a gTLD will succeed. Bidding credits as an idea is quite dangerous as it may have an applicant who hasn't the funds to make a gTLD successful winning against a bidder with deeper pockets. It would end up with a lot more failed new gTLDs and EBERO firesales.
19:54:01 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : @Sebastian: A ”discount” of the application fee(-s)?
19:57:15 From Justine Chew to Everyone : You're welcome
19:57:23 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : +1 Alan
19:57:48 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Yes justine has done an amazing job
19:58:09 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Thanks also to my Small Team!
19:58:34 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Fabulous job, Justine!
19:58:41 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : Great contribution too from the CPWG members as well
19:59:01 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone : +1 Christopher
19:59:44 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : Im sure that the translations would be supported by the ALAC
19:59:45 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : I think that is a great idea to have it translated into different languages
20:00:30 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Just a note, the MSR-5 document is no longer up for public comment. And hasn't been for some time.
20:02:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @JZ Will the new .NAME agreement have the zone file available via the CZDS? At present it requires an application to the registry (Verisign) and downloading is by FTP.
20:04:44 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : @JZ Thanks. Will look at it.
20:07:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : The ccTLDs are generally the province of their countries. Best left well alone.
20:09:31 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xus48mqvDAJkNkmWQoReT6FL6nN6UB-MJPL8QqF9810/edit?usp=sharing
20:10:48 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Greg, awww shucks ;)
20:11:09 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : We have been given until Monday to send in the doc. Minor changes can still be made.
20:11:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : Thanks Maureen that's helpful
20:11:49 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Greg @Alejandro, I enjoyed reading your statement too!
20:14:29 From Alejandro Pisanty to Everyone : Thanks Justine!
20:15:07 From Alejandro Pisanty to Everyone : new hand up
20:16:43 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Greg, agree! Considering the important role ICANN holds vis a vis the DNS.
20:18:12 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Sometimes, when it comes to ICANN's own operations, they are "the cobbler's child who has no shoes"....
20:19:00 From Alejandro Pisanty to Everyone : Greg, yes, running on a shoestring budget for that part of the operation. We say in Spanish "a wooden hoe in the blacksmith's house"
20:19:16 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : :-)
20:19:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : +1 Alejandro
20:19:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : AMOGHER 1300?
20:20:06 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Amogher?
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20:20:45 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : g and t above and below each other...
20:21:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : "=_
20:21:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : YES we have!
20:21:27 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Stay safe everyone and be kind even in Amogher
20:21:29 From alberto soto to Everyone : Thanks, bye, bye!!
20:21:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : I will start not turning up
20:21:40 From YIK CHAN CHIN to Everyone : bye! thanks!
20:21:43 From Christian Nzhie@CAPDA CMR to Everyone : Thanks
20:21:46 From pari esfandiari to Everyone : thank you everyone
20:21:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone : Thanks/later all
20:21:48 From Aris Ignacio to Everyone : Thanks and stay safe everyone!
20:21:54 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Thanks all, So happy to settle the ALAC Advice on SubPro!!
20:21:55 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : Thanks everyone. great meeting.
20:21:59 From Christian Nzhie@CAPDA CMR to Everyone : buye and stay safe
20:22:04 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Goodbye, all!