08:42:26 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the ALAC Monthly Call
08:55:56 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All!
08:56:18 From Silvia Vivanco : Hello all welcome
08:56:30 From Vanda Scartezini : hi Everyone ! good day
08:56:32 From Evin Erdogdu : Hello all, welcome
08:58:25 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Hello everyone
08:58:57 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Hi everyone from Cameroon
08:59:01 From Maureen Hilyard : Hi everyone .. welcome to our ALAC call.
08:59:11 From Joanna Kulesza : Hi everyone!
09:00:00 From Priyatosh Jana : hi everyone
09:01:16 From herb waye ombuds : Greetings everyone, always nice to see names and hear voices. Hope you are all staying healthy and safe.
09:02:09 From Heidi Ullrich : We have quorum.
09:02:32 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Let’s move Olivier CL to the french channel.
09:04:04 From Filina Natalia : Hi all!
09:04:23 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : That rooster in the background sounds like he's on a lot of caffeine
09:04:26 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:04:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 0200 *SIGH certainly night here in the antipodeas ;-) no doubt why Holly is an apology ;-)
09:04:36 From Filina Natalia : -))))
09:05:43 From Marita Moll : Maureen's rooster sounds like it is in pain!!!
09:06:00 From Joanna Kulesza : :)
09:06:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Spring perhaps a lot of effort into territory
09:07:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Odd there are always AI's
09:08:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Great improvement with the Tabs :-)
09:08:55 From Alan Greenberg : Problem with the tabbed format is if you print, you do not get all of the items.
09:09:20 From Roberto : Print? What is print?
09:09:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : p r I n t what is this print thing @Alan ;-)
09:09:59 From Andrey Kolesnikov : sorry for being late
09:10:36 From Alan Greenberg : Or P R I N T to PDF...
09:11:16 From Satish Babu : I think Alan is referring to printing the agenda page, when the content of only the visible tab will be printed.
09:12:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : looking good @OCL
09:12:38 From Evin Erdogdu : Good to see everyone :)
09:13:05 From hadia Elminiawi : Thanks Evin
09:14:22 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : We really need a webinar on TABS…..
09:14:54 From Satish Babu : The scorecards are *very* useful...!
09:15:06 From Evin Erdogdu : Many thanks to Justine, brava!
09:15:16 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Bravo Justine Chew!!!!!!!!
09:15:35 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : great efforts by Justine (claps)
09:15:54 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Thanks, Justine!
09:15:56 From Roberto : Justine (bravo)
09:16:17 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav : hi everyone. extremely sorry for delay
09:16:29 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Bravo Justine
09:16:38 From Marita Moll : Recognition is great -- but how about compensation? Justine possibly has several doubles around who require care and feeding
09:16:59 From Dave Kissoondoyal : +1 Marita
09:17:18 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Good job
09:19:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excelllent Chart @Alp!
09:20:12 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : great chart
09:22:32 From Vrikson Acosta : Greetings everyone :)
09:24:09 From Heidi Ullrich : The ALS Mob WP draft report is on the agenda and also at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xhS8AAwBXVruH-FMYnZy5-NQsmm2GBDvClUb8elG4sI/edit?ts=5e9946d1#heading=h.hpdsvfku39p1
09:24:22 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Hello everyone!
09:24:34 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, Leon.
09:24:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent outcome from a very extensive Review …
09:24:38 From Sébastien Bachollet : Need access!!!
09:25:17 From Sébastien Bachollet : It is not
09:25:22 From Heidi Ullrich : Noted, Sebastien.
09:25:22 From Satish Babu : Not being able to view it...
09:25:27 From Claudia Ruiz : We will look into it, thank you
09:25:35 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Request sent
09:27:06 From Claudia Ruiz : @Sebastien, please try to view doc now
09:27:53 From Claudia Ruiz : @all you should all be able to view the report now
09:28:06 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks @Claudia…have access now
09:28:08 From Satish Babu : Yes, it is accessible now.
09:28:11 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, Claudia!
09:28:23 From Alan Greenberg : Verified, everyone now has access. Thanks Claudia.
09:29:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/GNSO+Liaison+Reports has my current Report to the ALAC as Liaison to the GNSO ….
09:29:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : On Que!!
09:33:26 From hadia Elminiawi : We all do
09:33:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Ohh Yes Fred is loud and clear!
09:34:03 From Heidi Ullrich : It is! An historic event!
09:34:41 From Dave Kissoondoyal : The honour is to us to have you here @Goran
09:38:49 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Thank staff and Maureen for giving us this opportunity to share a moment with Goran and welcome to him
09:40:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We just have to work with not solve the time zone challenges...
09:41:02 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Agree Cheryl. Unless we can all become Flatearthers :P
09:42:26 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Wow. great @Maureen
09:43:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Kudos @León :-)
09:43:31 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : My pleasure Cheryl :-)
09:47:52 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : yes, it is important to review if the 3 meetings a year during Covid is needed
09:48:08 From Claudia Ruiz to sylvia herlein (Privately) : Hola, te estamos llamando
09:48:44 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 to having a process for the discussion
09:48:50 From Mary Wong : There is a session scheduled at ICANN69 (during Plenary Week) for this Board-community conversation.
09:49:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Noted @Mary it is already in the At-Large calendar for ICANN #69
09:49:44 From Vanda Scartezini : you right it is time to have this conversation survey and clear decision based on these
09:51:24 From Evin Erdogdu : See: ALAC Statement on EPDP (July 2020): https://atlarge.icann.org/advice_statements/13793
See: Addendum to the ALAC Statement on EPDP (August 2020): https://atlarge.icann.org/advice_statements/13795
09:52:28 From Goran Marby : I can stay on longer if you want me btw…I am moving an internal meeting
09:53:20 From Judith Hellerstein : Great to hear! Thanks for joiningus
09:54:38 From Maureen Hilyard : @Goran.. you are welcome to stay as long as you want. Leon will be next and you might want to contribute to his section as well :)
09:54:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well noted @Alan ( re the .Org roll)
09:57:46 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Even if you try shifting it, those interpreting and applying the law will ultimately define who is responsible for what
09:58:56 From Alan Greenberg : The contracted parties may well be a controller and therefore have liability, but ICANN it self is definitely also a controller and could have liability as well. That should have been resolved and that may have removed liability from contracted parties.
10:00:35 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : It is not up to us to say who is responsible for what. Again, that is something the data protection authorities ultimately define, regardless of what we say or who we define as being responsible for a certain conduct
10:01:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We want you !!!!
10:01:44 From Roberto : These are important points to discuss
10:02:01 From Alan Greenberg : SInce the EPDP exists to make rules about how the data is handled, there is no way that ICANN cannot be a controller. BUt the joint relationship is far from clear.
10:02:32 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : Q. So does that mean that if a Contracted Party has a breach of private information, it will be immune to prosecution and it will be ICANN that will be sued?
10:02:47 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : or fined?
10:03:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : your time is greatly appreciated, and we have put in MNAY hours of weekly support for @Hadia and @Alan in their EPDP roll so we are all very interested in this matter (as the GNSO moves to resolve and discuss Phase 2 in this months meeting, it is timely as well)
10:03:08 From Goran Marby : Alan, with all respect. According to the DPAs you have to break down the whole process where different actors has different
10:03:13 From Goran Marby : Roles
10:03:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Good points @Hadia
10:04:26 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : @OCL why would the CP be immune? Why would ICANN be sued?
10:05:03 From Vanda Scartezini : due the hierarchy i
10:05:24 From Vanda Scartezini : in the chain of the business Olivier?
10:06:23 From Harold Arcos : <Q:> Dear Goran, What do you think would be the Model Icann would need?
Delimit the responsibility of Icann and answer only for that? or
Take responsibility for the entire Ecosystem that it manages and answer to the laws for all interested parties related to Icann?
10:07:12 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : in general it is always the data controller who is responsible if there is an infringement of the data subject
10:07:39 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : The whois discussion is already a decade or more old, isn´t it?
10:08:04 From Joanna Kulesza : still exciting though @Carlos :)
10:08:05 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : So the whois discussion has survived at least 3 CEOs
10:08:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
10:09:02 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Still, I think privacy is one of the most pressing issues we should deal with
10:09:09 From Humberto Carrasco : @carlos indeed!!
10:09:40 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Dera “Groan i don’t hold you responsible and trust you are doing the best possible
10:09:53 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : @goran
10:09:57 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 Joran it is not simple but the balance is doable
10:10:02 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : sorry for the spanish keyboard
10:10:24 From Roberto : @Carlos - I remember having discussed with Marilyn Cade in ICANN Tunis the WhoIs…
10:11:18 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 Goran it is not simple but the balance is doable
10:11:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we had several Review Teams doing just that @Siva
10:11:29 From Marita Moll : Tough questions. No easy answers. Glad to hear there is optimism about the potential outcome
10:11:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : gTLD Policy is GNSO business
10:12:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : should read Policy Development
10:12:07 From Roberto : @Carlos ICANN Tunis was October 2003…
10:13:00 From Roberto : So 5 CEOs back
10:13:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but the MSM could and Can/must bring the balance of voice and concern to that PDP process... Yes I too believe it is the best way
10:13:46 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Also, the landscape around Whois/privacy has shifted considerably along the years so it is a moving target
10:14:27 From Alan Greenberg : Yes, I would like a copy Goran.
10:14:43 From Roberto : @Léon - what has changed is the legal framework, but the basic question remains the same, in my opinion
10:14:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : a VERY Shifting sandy landscape IMO León
10:15:06 From Mary Wong : Link to the European Commission’s first evaluation of the GDPR, two years on: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/1_en_act_part1_v6_1.pdf
10:15:11 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : @Alan here it is https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/edpb/files/consultation/edpb_guidelines_202007_controllerprocessor_en.pdf
10:15:44 From Gisella Gruber : A kind reminder to speak at a reasonable speed to allow for accurate interpretation. We have Spanish and French interpretation
10:16:33 From Goran Marby : Mary, do you have at hand the DPB proposal for guidelines for data controllers and processors ?
10:16:35 From Roberto : Agree @Léon
10:17:47 From Mary Wong : @Goran, all - I believe these are the guidelines: https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/edpb/files/consultation/edpb_guidelines_202007_controllerprocessor_en.pdf
10:18:29 From Joanna Kulesza : @Leon, according to your experience, is there a chance that the Schrems II decision will impact the Board's decision on the EPDP report?
10:18:34 From Goran Marby : That is the right document, thanks
10:19:09 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Roberto’s point is a great perspective
10:19:13 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : + 1 Robert
10:19:32 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : WE need to set the framework ourselves
10:20:43 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : @Joanna the Schrems decision is an important one but not enough to be definitive
10:21:24 From Vanda Scartezini : thank you so much Göran for the time with us - really the conversation must exist among all of us
10:22:05 From Joanna Kulesza : Thanks @Leon, that sounds like a no. Good news.
10:22:27 From hadia Elminiawi : Thank you Goran
10:22:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks Góran great to have had you here
10:23:00 From Joanna Kulesza : +1 Goran:) on top expertise and unsolvable challenges.
10:23:00 From Marita Moll : Thanks very much Goran, this has been really helpful in clearing some of the fog around these issues.
10:23:27 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks a lot Goran
10:23:55 From Harold Arcos : thanks Goran, for your authentic pov from your role and as a person concerned by ecosistem.
10:24:06 From Heidi Ullrich : Many thanks for a great discussion.
10:24:21 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Maureen
10:24:27 From Evin Erdogdu : Thank you for joining @Göran
10:24:28 From John More : Really appreciate.
10:24:28 From Heidi Ullrich : Goran and Leon will be invited to the ALAC Wrap Up Session during ICANN69.
10:24:33 From Joanna Kulesza : Thanks Goran! All your efforts in supporting the community to solve this puzzles are most appreciated.
10:24:41 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : thank you Goran
10:24:44 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : thanks for participating Goran and León!
10:24:48 From Roberto : Thank you Göran
10:25:12 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Thank Goran
10:26:24 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : congratulations to Tracy
10:26:59 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Congrat Tracy
10:27:05 From Judith Hellerstein : Congrats to Leon
10:27:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Congratulations to all!!!
10:27:25 From hadia Elminiawi : Congrats
10:27:25 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : congratulations
10:27:29 From Ricardo Holmquist : Felicitaciones León
10:27:32 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : congrats to all
10:27:36 From Satish Babu : Congratulations to all
10:28:19 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : thanks @nadira, @michel!
10:28:28 From Marita Moll : Maureen's rooster has turned into a dog?
10:28:45 From Judith Hellerstein : The dog is @leon
10:29:15 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : we have dog and rooster need chicks
10:29:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Chewy is doing hos job as well :-)
10:30:41 From Marita Moll : Our zoom backgrounds give the impression of calm. Clearly an illusion.
10:31:11 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks @Leon for all the updates
10:31:20 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Thank Leon for your good job
10:31:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thank you for another excellent update León! Always a pleasure
10:31:28 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Thank you!!
10:31:45 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Thank you León
10:31:56 From hadia Elminiawi : Thanks Leon for the update
10:32:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : do also note to Góran how much we valued his time today as well...
10:32:26 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : great news for the LAC region ... thanks for the update and congratulations @León!
10:32:36 From Vanda Scartezini : thanks for mention the 3 Lacralo region members in the Board
10:32:40 From Evin Erdogdu : Thank you @Leon
10:32:49 From Satish Babu : Thanks Léon!
10:34:53 From Marita Moll : Yes, thanks for your work on the board @Leon -- and keeping our issues on top
10:36:40 From Maureen Hilyard : Jonathan is always ready to entertain and make presentations more interesting.
10:37:47 From Marita Moll : Yes, @ Maureen -- we are all left in envy.
10:37:55 From Joanna Kulesza : Should using these across the community be one of our contributions to updating the online meeting format? https://loomai.com/
10:39:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : editorial work and style control is essential to make a successful online ( or any) course
10:39:43 From Judith Hellerstein : Your avatar is the thinner version of you
10:40:07 From Jonathan Zuck : They don't have fat people available yet but I'm sure they will eventually
10:42:33 From Roberto : Equal opportunity for us XXXL
10:45:09 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, @Roberto although, one might argue the PURPOSE of an avatar is to put your best self forward.
10:45:29 From Joanna Kulesza : Just to note: both of these have been given a lot of time and attention on the regular CBWG calls over the last year and a half. Any further input into the group or small ICANN Learn courses team is always appreciated. Thanks for raising this @AK.
10:46:58 From Joanna Kulesza : I believe all the CBWG calls recordings are on the Wiki if that might be helpful @AK
10:47:07 From Heidi Ullrich : Both courses are being reviewed internally now as part of the normal process of the development of the IL course process.
10:47:29 From Heidi Ullrich : The aim is to have them out by ICANN69.
10:47:58 From Jonathan Zuck : The "decisions" being made are trivial so there's nothing more to gain from the recordings than there is from the product which is, and has been, open for review
10:48:02 From Roberto : @JZ - we can discuss whether this is good over a beer as soon as the COVID is over
10:49:44 From Jonathan Zuck : Indeed
10:49:53 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Very valid points of Tijani. It is now time to rectify
10:50:00 From joen douh : I fully agree with Tijani
10:51:23 From Marita Moll : I am understanding that this was an editing session -- what fonts to use, standardization, how to format the material -- not the actual content.
10:51:47 From Marita Moll : Don't see the issue here.
10:52:15 From Marita Moll : And I am not part of this group -- for the record
10:52:28 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with Marita
10:53:11 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : it is good to utilize the expertise of the academic volunteers
10:53:16 From Jonathan Zuck : Yup, easy.
10:53:56 From Jonathan Zuck : And keep the recordings. No problem. Disk space is cheap.
10:54:16 From Marita Moll : No me -- I am happy to let these formatting issues to others. I would like to work on more substantive issues
10:54:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : No point in even having the recordings if we
10:54:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Language?
10:55:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Small Team usually work in camera session
10:55:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This is Editing not writing
10:56:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Heading to 2 hrs now for the meeting time can we not just have anyone can observe in these calls from now on
10:56:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : moving FORWARD
10:56:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : stop going back
10:56:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : just fix the issue
10:57:03 From John More : Discussion better held offline after point was made.
10:57:55 From Ricardo Holmquist : Sorry, I will have to leave at 18 UTC
10:57:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : you would think
10:58:25 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 John More
10:59:03 From Marita Moll : Yes, let's move on.
10:59:24 From Bastiaan Goslings : I too need to leave at 18 UTC, sorry
10:59:30 From Marita Moll : We need to get our work done.
10:59:37 From Sébastien Bachollet : We start EURALO monthly call in 1’
10:59:40 From Judith Hellerstein : We need to move on
10:59:45 From hadia Elminiawi : Abdulkarim your sound is breaking
10:59:48 From Sébastien Bachollet : Leaving now
10:59:51 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : I too need to leave to attend the EURALO meeting
11:00:08 From Joanna Kulesza : Apologies all, headed to EURALO as well. Thanks for an interesting meeting.
11:00:10 From John More : Have to leave.
11:00:11 From Claudia Ruiz : https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ULE1cUSrFbRPWlOSoOdb767gV_oj4nfMg_czY83hgk/edit
11:00:15 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Thanks everyone!
11:00:17 From Ricardo Holmquist : Bye to all, have a nice day
11:00:21 From Roberto : Moving to EURALO - Bye all
11:00:49 From joen douh : same here
11:00:50 From joen douh : bye
11:03:03 From Gisella Gruber : https://meetings.icann.org/en/remote69
11:03:45 From Gisella Gruber : https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2020-09-15-en
11:03:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Herb just so you know in Pvt Chat I have encourages AK to take any concerns about the language or tone in a closed meeting to you as this seems to be more your offices balliwick. noting going forward these meetings will be open and discourse under open meeting expecttions of access to recording etc.,
11:04:20 From Gisella Gruber : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN69+-+October+2020
11:04:28 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Thank you very much Gisella for this good job
11:05:21 From Herb Waye : Noted @Cheryl, thank you
11:05:56 From Heidi Ullrich : Please not that the At-Large sessions will follow the post-ATLAS III tracks of Policy, O/E and Operations
11:06:27 From Heidi Ullrich : And the agenda pages on the At-Large wiki will include a brief description of each meeting
11:07:44 From Herb Waye : Take care everyone and stay healthy and safe
11:07:50 From Satish Babu : Thanks and bye!
11:07:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Buye for now then
11:07:53 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
11:07:57 From Evin Erdogdu : Thank you all!
11:07:59 From Heidi Ullrich : Thank you all.
11:08:01 From Aris Ignacio : Thank you so much! Stay safe everyone!
11:08:01 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : bye all. stay safe!
11:08:05 From hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all bye
11:08:05 From Marita Moll : Great meeting -- thanks. Lots of important information exchanged
11:08:09 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE : Thank for the meeting bye bye
11:08:18 From Silvia Vivanco : Thank you all !!
11:08:23 From Vrikson Acosta : Bye everyone :)
11:08:25 From Silvia Vivanco : Bye all take care
11:08:25 From Siranush Vardanyan : thanks all and bye
