Zoom chat: 2021-12-01 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

00:17:44 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Welcome, All
00:18:14 Glenn McKnight: Our next NARALO Meeting on Dec 13th we will have Dr. Jim Galvin, Sarah Wyld and Daniel who will discuss the Transfer Policy process
00:18:37 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
00:19:20 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Closed Captions are available through the Zoom "Live Transcript" option. A realtime running transcript is also available at the following link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
00:32:22 Liz Le: Past DIDP Requests and Responses can be accessed here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/transparency-en
00:33:34 Sam Eisner: https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/documentary-information-disclosure-policy-didp/proposed-update-to-the-didp-redline-en.pdf
00:33:38 Gopal Tadepalli: Thank you. I have commented on DIDP at: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Revisions+to+the+ICANN+Documentary+Information+Disclosure+Policy I suppose it gets into the process. I will be happy to provide any further clarifications and assistance. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
00:42:09 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Thank you Dr. Gopal
00:42:14 Sam Eisner: Comments can be submitted through the links at https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/proposed-revisions-to-the-icann-documentary-information-disclosure-policy-21-10-2021
00:42:50 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: and Dr. Gopal please engage in the ALAC's commenting process on this topic
00:44:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: In my view addition of this DIPD 'role' to the Ombuds office => risks a muddying of the waters and not of overall benefit from my personal POV
00:44:52 Gopal Tadepalli: Thanks. I will be active on DIDP. "Business Logic" can be read in a sequence of a handful of mail exchanges. If the intention of the requestor cannot be established in 3 mail exchanges who can have the discretion? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
00:47:14 Michael Palage: @Sam Eisner - one of the wisest statements that Louie Touton made when he was GC was that ICANN's mission was to protect competition and not individual competitors
00:48:20 Holly Raiche: Thanks Michael - great comment - and backs up what Alan was saying
00:49:04 Michael Palage: When ICANN may be seen as protecting the commercial interests of individual competitors that is very problematic - it poses a genuine threat to the multi-stakeholder model.
00:50:33 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Appreciated @Sam/Liz
00:50:35 Holly Raiche: Going back to the CCT recommendations - it was about naming the miscreants…
00:50:58 Michael Palage: Thx Sam and Liz - much appreciated
00:51:06 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Thank you, Liz and Sam, for joining the CPWG.
00:51:07 Sam Eisner: Thanks for having us
00:51:22 Liz Le: Thank you
00:51:25 Gopal Tadepalli: The best part of life and work is that the debate on Transparency Vs. Confidentiality moves into the realms of the discerning. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
00:51:37 Sivasubramanian M: While transparency is important, where a business firm explicitly requests nondisclosure, it is necessary to exclude the information or communication so defined.
00:52:56 hadia Elminiawi: Yes I would like to display the document and go through the answers together
00:53:26 hadia Elminiawi: sorry - message sent to the wrong group
00:56:04 Sivasubramanian M: @hadia Are these intrascript or inter-script variants?
00:57:59 hadia Elminiawi: @Siva variants are calculated by an algorithm that applies that RZ-LGR - so to me they look alike, however just looking at them is not enough to determine of they are variants or not.
00:58:40 Sivasubramanian M: Why not confine, with exteme exceptions, labels in the LGR to that particular script, by listing unicode of all characters in that script to which that IDN TLD belongs?
00:59:05 hadia Elminiawi: @Siva that is the reason why self identified variants might end up not to be actual variants based on the RZ-LGR
01:01:04 Sivasubramanian M: Thank you hadia (I thought you were talking and for a moment wondered how you are answering the chat and speaing at the same time! seemed to me like extraordinary multitasking capability)
01:06:59 hadia Elminiawi: @Siva sorry for the typo mistakes " that applies the RZ-LGR" " if they are variants"
01:09:16 Sivasubramanian M: I always make typographical errors, I type and send.
01:09:29 Sivasubramanian M: so, don't worry hadia.
01:09:44 Bill Jouris: @Siva, and even if you didn't, auto-correct would make mistakes for you
01:09:59 hadia Elminiawi: +1 Bill
01:10:09 Sivasubramanian M: Autocorrect causes embarrasing errors at times Bill
01:11:48 Roberto Gaetano: @Bill I like to decide myself what errors to make and do not let an autocorrect to decide in my place… :-)
01:12:05 Sivasubramanian M: @Roberto :)
01:12:26 Sivasubramanian M: if only we had the choice as to who would make the errors !
01:12:47 Chokri Ben Romdhane: Thank you all, Good night
01:15:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Agreed re C the SP process is fit for purpose
01:15:51 hadia Elminiawi: +1 Cheryl C is the key here
01:16:47 Sivasubramanian M: @CLO what is the C and SP acronym that you have coined anew Cheryl?
01:17:21 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Rationale 'C' and Sub Pro
01:17:31 Sivasubramanian M: :)
01:17:52 Holly Raiche: @ Siva - the letters refer to the points in the slides- “C” is from the previous slide
01:19:19 Sivasubramanian M: Thanks Holly.
01:19:46 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thx @Justine and Co.
01:19:52 Holly Raiche: Really well done - thanks Justine.
01:21:13 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Allowance for redress is essential agreed @Hadia
01:22:05 Bill Jouris: Appicant could challenge any rule. But so far, the (Latin) GP seems determined to ignore/reject all submissions in Public Comment. Let alone later challenges.
01:23:11 Holly Raiche: Suggestion - everyone with questions first go through these slides
01:23:20 hadia Elminiawi: +1 Justine all the reasons you mentioned are fair
01:23:26 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Wise @Holly ;-)
01:24:33 Justine Chew: @Bill, that is a "problem" for/with the Latin GP :)
01:24:59 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: How many applications are expected?
01:25:59 Justine Chew: @John, ask the SubPro ODP?
01:26:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: or consult a crystal ball
01:26:34 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Justine Will do that. :)
01:27:34 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Cheryl A tried and trusted technique for extrapolation. :)
01:27:55 avri doria: @John I do not think anyone has that info yet. But it is something people are trying to figure out all over.
01:27:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Which is why I have an excellent one on my desk @John ;-)
01:29:28 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Avri There seems to be a lot of consolidation happening with the gTLDs and ccTLDs so it is going to be a difficult thing to estimate. Spent a lot of the last few weeks correlating ccTLD registrars with gTLD registrars and character strings created some interesting database problems.
01:31:14 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Fun factoid @John with my very good crystal ball at least (which is on a suitable stand) if you place a coin underneath the volcanic glass, and peer in to predict your fortune for the future, you get entirely difference 'vision' depending on where you look into it from... A tool I used to use in consensus and building and communication training ;-)
01:31:50 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Cheryl Sounds like the ICANN multistakeholder viewpoint solution. :)
01:31:58 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks @Hadia a lot of progress on this work
01:32:00 hadia Elminiawi: Please go ahead and put your thoughts on the document
01:32:11 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: INdeed it does @John
01:32:23 hadia Elminiawi: Thank you
01:32:39 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Thank you, Justine and Hadia
01:33:36 Gopal Tadepalli: Good Coders always leave a long trace. This is a fundamental home truth about the world of algorithms. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
01:38:19 Holly Raiche: Thanks Daniel
01:38:49 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Excellent work in this as well Thanks @Daniel
01:39:30 Glenn McKnight: As stated before NARALO on Dec 13th will have a detailed discussion on Transfer Policy with Jim Galvin, Sarah Wyld and Daniel on Dec 13th
01:39:38 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: That reseller issue is an iceberg when it comes to transfers. Even with the data, it can be complex to map.
01:40:09 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: @John - especially when resellers don't even have a contract with ICANN...
01:40:12 DANIEL K. NANGHAKA: Your welcome
01:41:04 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Olivier Yep. There's no legal connection. And when a reseller disappears, the registrant runs the risk of losing their domain name.
01:41:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thanks Yrió all progress towards compromise made in this arena is impressive from my POV as there are such strongly held positions...
01:41:31 Holly Raiche: @ OCL - the RAA does require that Registrars and responsible for their reseller compliance - which sounds nice but…
01:42:05 hadia Elminiawi: +1 Alan
01:42:22 Holly Raiche: (sorry - should read Registrars are.. )
01:42:32 hadia Elminiawi: Go ahead and take a look at the google doc.
01:42:44 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Holly student hosters used to be notorious for this problem .Students would create a hosting business during the holidays but be gone by renewal time.
01:43:11 Holly Raiche: AsI said - there are legal requirements -which does not guarantee compliance…
01:43:14 Jonathan Zuck: Thanks everyone!
01:43:19 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: bravo to all of these reps
01:44:07 Sivasubramanian M: @hadia please share the link to the google doc in the chat.
01:44:32 hadia Elminiawi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wgbaQJjw6c6dQ6FPgNrsJ4pgEnBCdoWncY6BNnJ4ktI/edit
01:44:50 Holly Raiche: @ Siva - better yet - Evin an action point to send an email with the link
01:45:16 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Will do @Holly, thanks
01:45:38 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Monday, 13 Dec is the new PC deadline for DIDP : ) 
01:46:22 hadia Elminiawi: I could work with anyone on a statement if required
01:46:27 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: even capture of the opinions shared today will be useful in penning
01:47:15 hadia Elminiawi: I could work on this as well
01:47:27 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Thank you, Hadia and Alan
01:47:42 Holly Raiche: There are some comments on the chat that are relevant
01:47:48 hadia Elminiawi: it was just an overview
01:48:00 Jonathan Zuck: Happy to act as shepherd. I need to go back and listen to the discussion
01:48:18 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Thanks! Noted
01:48:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: you have @JZ, Hadia and Alan
01:48:50 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: perfect
01:49:04 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: it is NOT an issue for me @Hadia
01:49:39 hadia Elminiawi: @cheryl it is not about the time -
01:49:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: What Alan said ;-)
01:50:21 hadia Elminiawi: yes
01:50:33 hadia Elminiawi: time is not an issue
01:51:08 Holly Raiche: Is that meeting on the Calendar for ALAC?
01:51:20 hadia Elminiawi: virtual - now more travel restrictions are taking place again
01:51:51 Holly Raiche: Thanks
01:52:34 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: LOTs covered today... Thanks everyone... Bye for now then...
01:52:34 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=181306219#PDPs-85443896
01:52:49 Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org: Thanks all, as always!
01:52:58 hadia Elminiawi: bye all - Thanks
01:53:23 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Thanks and later all.
01:53:33 Gopal Tadepalli: Thank you all. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
01:53:40 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Travell SAFE if you need to travel
01:54:35 Holly Raiche: No - it is 8.00 in the morning - So civilised
01:54:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: what little of the night I take of course
01:54:55 Roberto Gaetano: conflict with the IGF?!?
01:54:59 Herb Waye Ombuds: All the best everyone… stay safe and be kind.
01:55:07 Holly Raiche: Stay safe
01:55:08 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thx @Herb
01:55:10 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: Next meeting Wednesday, 08 December 13:00 UTC
01:55:16 Michael Palage: Good call - take care all
01:55:17 Sivasubramanian M: It is 2 30 am to 4 am in India
01:55:22 Maureen Hilyard: Thanks everyone.. great content and well managed.. :)
01:55:35 Sivasubramanian M: Thank you