Zoom chat: 2020-01-08 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:39:13 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:39:33 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/YwhxBw
15:46:39 From Captioner - Shannon : Hello, could we do a quick sound check please?
15:48:40 From Captioner - Shannon : Thank you!
15:49:25 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:51:58 From Priyatosh Jana : hello everyone
15:52:17 From Amrita : hi all
15:52:54 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Can some one say hello to check my audio?
15:53:33 From Yesim Nazlar : Can you hear me Eduardo?
15:55:18 From Sonigitu Ekpe : Good day All.
15:55:54 From Yesim Nazlar : I can hear you Eduardo, but you don’t hear me
15:55:57 From Holly Raiche : @ Ed - I can hear you
15:56:10 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I am speaking and apparently you can not hear me. Re booting zoom…
15:56:28 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I can hear you but you can not hear me
15:59:00 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
15:59:28 From davekissoondoyal : Hello everyone
16:01:56 From Raymond Mamattah : Good afternoon
16:02:52 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : hello all - happy New Year
16:03:31 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : Hadia Elminiawi too
16:04:35 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:13:07 From Holly Raiche : We will have a better idea of the EPDP issues after the meeting, I imagine
16:15:24 From Holly Raiche : There is noise in the background
16:15:45 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : @Holly yes I think tomorrow we shall be able to have a clearer vision of where we stand
16:16:51 From León Sánchez : hello everyone. my apologies for lateness
16:17:09 From León Sánchez : struggling with back to school and taking kids to school
16:17:18 From León Sánchez : my connection is a bit unstable
16:17:48 From Alberto Soto : HI, I’m sorry to be late
16:18:07 From Jonathan : I think that's fine. It's really about context dependencies for everything
16:31:30 From davekissoondoyal : Can the ALAC forward any issue to SPIRT?
16:42:37 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks @justine
16:43:51 From Holly Raiche : Leon is here so should we have his feedback on DNS Abuse before the policy discussions?
16:44:33 From Jonathan : Yes
16:46:41 From avri doria : yep, seen it and read it also.
16:47:13 From Holly Raiche : @Avri - any initial thoughts?
16:47:49 From avri doria : agree that it is well formed advice.
16:48:13 From Holly Raiche : Is there anything more we can schedule to push the recommendations?
16:48:35 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : I didn't read it
16:49:03 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : but should it linked with PIR issues
16:49:21 From Justine Chew : @Nadira, I disagree.
16:49:27 From Holly Raiche : @ Nadira- different issue
16:49:38 From davekissoondoyal : can we add this on the action items?
16:50:03 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : got it @Justine, @Holly thank you
16:50:18 From Holly Raiche : @ David - the action is now on the Board - unless we need to be ready to answer any questions or elaborate on issues raised
16:50:22 From Justine Chew : @Leon, do you have an indication of when the Board will react and respond to us please?
16:51:08 From davekissoondoyal : @Holy .. i meant action for Leon to come back to us
16:51:20 From Holly Raiche : And again - it can be top of the list of questions for the Board
16:51:39 From Justine Chew : Thank you @Leon.
16:52:02 From Justine Chew : Didn't mean to put you on the spot.
16:52:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you very much Leon
16:52:15 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks a lot @Leon
16:52:43 From Holly Raiche : (and maybe have a session with Compliance to follow up on the DNS abuse proposals
16:53:21 From avri doria : I have no update I can provide.
16:54:30 From León Sánchez : thank you all!
16:54:35 From Holly Raiche : We can go back to asking for sessions with Compliance in the ICANN meetings
16:54:41 From León Sánchez : it’s always good to be here with you
16:56:01 From Jonathan : @Holly, I think what we need is a meeting of the minds between Compliance and the Contracted parties
16:56:12 From avri doria : i attend as many of these meetings as i can. great discussion place to hang out in the shadows.
16:56:39 From Justine Chew : Good to know @Avri
16:57:23 From Holly Raiche : @ Jonathan - agree. A few years back, we regularly had a meeting in which we did ask what they were doing - and suggesting what they might be doing….
16:58:02 From Jonathan : @Holly, right. I just feel as though they are way too cagey to be helpful on this. Jamie never wants to say out loud that he doesn't have the tools he needs
16:58:18 From Roberto : @avri eavesdrop? 
16:58:35 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - I hope so
16:59:32 From Evin Erdoğdu : At-Large workspace - Proposed Dates for ICANN Public Meetings 2024-2028 and Revised Dates in 2022: https://community.icann.org/x/XAGJBw
16:59:38 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - There is a long tradition of silence on that issue - but we can keep asking…
16:59:54 From avri doria : @Roberto, is it eavesdropping if i am sign in with my real name? more lurking, i think.
17:00:15 From Holly Raiche : @ Avri - I personally hope you are listening
17:00:28 From Jonathan : @Avri, I haven't heard the word "lurker" since my CompuServe days!
17:01:32 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : a valid comments Judith
17:01:46 From Roberto : @avri - hence my smiley sign in the comment
17:03:07 From Heidi Ullrich : There is one AGM that is currently in Sept but they are asking if it is to move to October to give more time to prepare after the June meeting.
17:03:33 From Jonathan : tru dat
17:03:56 From Jonathan : @Avri, I was on a team that created a TAPCIS alternative called Lurker
17:04:40 From Betty Fausta : @judith +1
17:06:08 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : good point SB
17:06:11 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Sebastian - could we please stick to policy since we need time to discuss the PIR issue
17:06:29 From davekissoondoyal : +1 @sebastien
17:06:47 From Marita Moll : hand up
17:07:52 From Holly Raiche : Could this discussion please by by email and not take up time on this call
17:09:07 From Judith Hellerstein : hi all. only one of them is on the change. the other dates have never been advanced or discussed
17:09:24 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : thanks Tijani for the reminder
17:09:42 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Tijani
17:09:45 From Judith Hellerstein : tijani except that the budget has policy discussions built in to it
17:10:26 From Jonathan : Yes
17:10:27 From Judith Hellerstein : so there is finance issue and there ar policy issues especially as it concerns the multistakeholder model
17:11:04 From Jonathan : we'll come up with a process to handle the overlap I guess @Judith
17:11:24 From Evin Erdoğdu : At-Large workspace - ISOC Sells PIR
Potential ALAC Advice to ICANN Board: https://community.icann.org/x/0ZczBw
17:14:03 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - what is the mechanism by which we could obtain a seat on the Board?
17:14:42 From davekissoondoyal : +1 @Roberto . Agree that ALAC has a voting member on the PIR Board
17:15:23 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : +1 on having a voting member on the PIR Board
17:17:18 From Alberto Soto : +1 Roberto
17:18:11 From davekissoondoyal : @Holy.. PIR agrees to allocate one seat to the ALAC and the ALAC sets up its mechanism for selection as already done for the ICANN Board
17:18:13 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : What are your thoughts on the proposal made by some other entity with regard to the operation of .org?
17:19:07 From Holly Raiche : @ David - the mechanism I am talking about is insisting on a process that puts an ALAC member on the Board
17:19:49 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : hum good point Holy
17:20:00 From avri doria : Marita is right, almost any board, even a not for profit ones, restrict how much a director can say.
17:20:12 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I mean Morita
17:20:28 From Justine Chew : Look at the "commitments" which ISOC/PIR/Ethos have made in reply to the 4 US Senators' letter -- get ICANN to negotiate putting those into the .org Registry Agreement?
17:21:00 From Holly Raiche : @ avri- true enough but at least have someone on the Board- WITHIN A BOARD MEETING - ask the hard questions
17:21:01 From Roberto : @Holly - Ethos has complete control on how they select Board members. One possibility is to get this point discussed and have ICANN endorsing it. It is a matter of negotiation, we need to convince Ethos that it would be a good move that will improve their public relation profile
17:21:43 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - thanks - that is what I was asking.
17:21:53 From Amrita : would local jurisdiction not come into effect on website takedowns?
17:22:34 From Jonathan : Probably @Amrita
17:22:51 From Holly Raiche : Given that, presumably, this sale was approved, it isn’t clear what leverage is left to insist on an ALAC member - anther letter to the Board????
17:23:23 From Justine Chew : @Hadia, just that the group has incorporated a company
17:23:28 From Amrita : yes content takedowns and websites are quite rampant these days and I guess ICANN cannot do much there
17:24:07 From Judith Hellerstein : @jon Zuck I can send you the article
17:24:16 From Sebastien Bachollet : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html
17:24:20 From Roberto : @Avri - agree on limitations in communication, but I am thinking at a role similar to what León plays as ALAC-selected Director on the ICANN Board
17:24:21 From Judith Hellerstein : Esther dyson
17:24:24 From Marita Moll : Esther Dyson is involved
17:24:30 From Alan Greenberg : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html
17:24:48 From Evin Erdoğdu : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html
17:24:54 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Alan
17:24:56 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : @Amrita website content is not an ICANN area wanted to get into
17:25:07 From Yrjo Lansipuro : @Marita +1 Don’t know how influential a lone ALAC rep on the PIR Board would really be
17:25:08 From Jonathan : It's behind the paywall
17:25:56 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy : false positive filters and take downs of domain names / Web sites / IP addresses / email account / spam listing and even false positive hashtag filters. It is important to work on a responsive, and directly-connected interaction system for individuals and organizations victimised by false positives, with an empowered action committee to issue directives.
17:26:57 From Marita Moll : @Yrjo -- it could be a very corporate board stacked with corporate insiders with a very tight confidentiality agreement to sign
17:27:29 From Justine Chew : +1 Olivier
17:27:46 From Jonathan : Exactly. That option will always exist.
17:29:32 From Holly Raiche : @ OCL +1
17:29:41 From Marita Moll : There can be little confidence in promises at this point -- it is a private equity company
17:29:52 From davekissoondoyal : +1 @Olivier
17:30:20 From Roberto : +1 OCL - with the caveat that we need to get something on paper and not just verbal now
17:30:32 From Jonathan : that won't happen
17:31:02 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : making things more complicated
17:31:23 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted
17:31:26 From Justine Chew : Asking for the existing .org RA to be cancelled will lead to lawsuit.
17:31:36 From Roberto : OK Jonathan
17:31:57 From Holly Raiche : ++1 JZ
17:32:07 From Alberto Soto : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html?searchResultPosition=1
17:32:22 From León Sánchez : good call. Thanks everyone
17:33:27 From Amrita : Thank you everyone
17:34:34 From Priyatosh Jana : thanks to all.good bye
17:34:48 From Marita Moll : Okay -- thank yoou Feb. 25
17:34:48 From Evin Erdoğdu : 25 February 2020
17:35:00 From Holly Raiche : Loads of time…
17:35:30 From Marita Moll : There is never loads of time
17:35:33 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
17:35:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Great discussion today, thank you all, bye for now....
17:37:17 From avri doria : bye, thanks
17:37:19 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : Thank you all - bye for now
17:37:20 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : thanks
17:37:23 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all!
17:37:23 From Roberto : Bye all - FYI, I will miss next week’s call, unfortunately
17:37:25 From Alberto Soto : Thanks, by bye
17:37:26 From Judith Hellerstein : bye all
17:37:27 From hanan khatib : thank you all
17:37:34 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : bye