00:15:36 Gopal Tadepalli: Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
00:20:20 Michelle DeSmyter: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151849126
00:22:34 David Mackey: nothing that I am aware of
00:25:04 Alan Greenberg: Will do
00:26:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I found it hrd to hear you as well @David
00:27:11 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: MUCH
00:27:14 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: better
00:28:41 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: OK I was going to comment/intervene But hopefully @Alan will catch the same issue if not i will que
00:29:31 Nadira AL-ARAJ: @David, not all RALO member are aware of allowing ALSes members being the RALO mailing list
00:30:01 Nadira AL-ARAJ: hence including it in the report is important
00:31:13 David Mackey: Let me review the wording of the wiki and I can be more specific
00:31:44 David Mackey: That’s it
00:32:36 Laura Margolis: LAC Region too @Cheryl
00:32:51 David Mackey: “Harmonizing” is an excellent objective. Agreed
00:33:09 David Mackey: I’m find with Alan’s and Cheryl’s clarifications
00:33:12 David Mackey: fine
00:35:39 Judith Hellerstein: One vote the aggregate voting you talk about is too confusing
00:36:07 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: You could recommend that such an algorythem might be explored however ;-) based on the assumption that vote (when cast within the RALOs) is clearly defined and allows for predictability of expectations etc.,
00:37:49 David Mackey: By the way, my previous comments were related to the wiki issue “Why do we need individual RALO members?” and Alan’s response on Nov 30th. https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847603
00:37:58 Nadira AL-ARAJ: it was proposed by someone from Afralo
00:38:18 Nadira AL-ARAJ: regarding the aggregate
00:38:52 Roberto: https://doodle.com/poll/5u3bvvn7f4fzp5ef
00:40:40 Judith Hellerstein: I also think that Alan’s comment was not for an aggregate but perhaps he can clarify this
00:41:02 David Mackey: +1 CLO
00:41:38 David Mackey: Simple and clear is better
00:41:51 Sarah Kiden: +1
00:42:27 David Mackey: Agreed, we shouldn’t expect perfection on the first iteration. We need to review and evaluate the different models in the future.
00:42:52 Natalia Filina: fully agree
00:43:41 David Mackey: +1 Roberto, I like the idea of setting out principles in our working party
00:45:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: see depending ON the numbers of IMs there may be a future when a fixed aggregat used say now may not be at all fair or reasonable imagine if you will a time when the aggregated pseudo ALS structure that aggregates such a single vote holds the 'voice'of say 900 IM's and gthe avarage ALS Membership is no more than 20 members
00:45:38 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: APRALO for example this IS an issue under discussion only LACRALO has a population or number of ALSes in Country balencing
00:46:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thus my plea for Simple and Clear as well as easily understood and published 'in' RALO rules
00:47:52 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: @Alan that participation weighting is indeed one way of future balancing thoughts that was discussed in APRALO
00:48:21 David Mackey: Question for Cheryl: Is there a way to compare the voting rules against the question of community consensus? We talk a lot about voting, but not so much about the consensus process.
00:49:38 Alan Greenberg: The mechanisn of doing the vote can be left to the RALO.
00:49:59 Nadira AL-ARAJ: @Judith that is what is going on also in APRALO
00:50:16 David Mackey: @Alan I’m good with letting the RALOs figure out the voting rules
00:50:32 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: there is @David, but at this stage in our space there is also variability in the use or frquency of Vote in the RALOs for example APRALO RoPs call for Cosensus as the primary decisiojn making process with even for selections of people for roles we rarely actually fall back to a VOTE other RALOs do things with MUCH more Vote actions being used
00:50:49 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry about the typos
00:52:47 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: The take it off likne Judith
00:53:13 David Mackey: @CLO lol, no worries about the typos. Thank you for answering my question. We seem to spend a lot of time talking about voting, which is important, but maybe not as important as considering how to mobilize both ALSs and RALO individual members towards At-Large’s mandate and activities
00:53:37 Michelle DeSmyter: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Criteria+for+Unaffiliated+Individual+membership?focusedCommentId=150178167#comment-150178167
00:58:42 Roberto: https://doodle.com/poll/s3vw8g2tu64vzzuh
00:59:38 Michelle DeSmyter: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=153519590
00:59:44 Yrjo Lansipuro: Is the doodle still open? I have missed it.
01:00:04 Yrjo Lansipuro: Thanks Roberto
01:00:30 Nadira AL-ARAJ: yes, Yrjo, I just responded to the doodle
01:00:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thx I had not seen that doodle either done now...
01:01:33 Judith Hellerstein: Guadeloupe is considered in Europe but they want to participate in LACRALO
01:02:07 David Mackey: Is it possible to state a general principle but allow exceptions that can be negotiated and granted by different RALOs?
01:03:03 Judith Hellerstein: So with that frame in mind, if APRALO wants to get members from Guam, northern mariana islands
01:03:27 Roberto: @David - the concept is “exception”, agree
01:03:47 Judith Hellerstein: the goal is to increase engagement
01:04:00 David Mackey: +1 @Judith
01:04:29 Laura Margolis: I agree too with you @Judith
01:04:30 Yrjo Lansipuro: +1 to Alan
01:04:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Keep it simple people
01:04:47 Natalia Filina: We should give freedom of choice
01:04:47 Judith Hellerstein: hand up
01:05:07 Esther Patricia Akello: +1 Cheryl
01:05:11 David Mackey: +1 Cheryl
01:05:50 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and if it is a BIG issue then the Rules around what ICANN Geo Region a *country* is allocated to can be brought into play if it IS that important to the Significantly Interested Parties to ICANN work in that COuntry
01:07:10 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: DO Remember the GeoRegions Review looked at MANY different ways that other entities allocated countries to Regions this is WAY Out of this groups mandate people!!!
01:08:39 Yrjo Lansipuro: I hope we can encourage actual discussion and participation across borderlines without getting bogged down in trying to change them
01:08:42 David Mackey: You’re doing a good job Roberto. Keep going. :-)
01:10:49 Michelle DeSmyter: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Outline+of+the+report
01:13:01 David Mackey: @Roberto, I like your proposal for the outline of the report
01:13:09 Gopal Tadepalli: "The single most important factor is whether each individual is giving their true, unbiased opinion.". I think every aspect UIM WP should reflect this. How to avoid “Abilene Paradox” i.e groups collectively arriving at a decision that no one, in particular, is enthusiastic about. ? - Dr. T V Gopal
01:14:06 Nadira AL-ARAJ: thank you Roberto
01:14:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Are we meeting next week?
01:14:15 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Good
01:14:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: need to IMO
01:14:41 Natalia Filina: Thanks Roberto and all!
01:14:41 Sarah Kiden: Thank you everyone!
01:14:42 David Mackey: Thanks all. Cheers!
01:14:45 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now then Thans Roberto
01:14:49 Laura Margolis: Bye!!
01:14:49 Maureen Hilyard: Im actually all for individuals applying for a region in which they actually ARE resident.. (such as American Samoa in the Pacific)
01:14:51 Natalia Filina: see you!
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