Zoom chat: 2019-11-20 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

12:46:36 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
12:51:55 From Vrikson Acosta : Hello everyone
12:52:35 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Hello everyone. Saludos a todos.
12:53:14 From Raymond Mamattah : Good evening from Ghana
12:54:36 From CART Support-Jamie : can you please make me the captioner?
12:55:18 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
12:55:28 From Roberto : Hi!
12:55:40 From Ricardo Holmquist - ALAC : Hello
12:57:37 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : yes i see the captions
12:57:45 From Judith Hellerstein : I see the captions
12:58:27 From Judith Hellerstein : @evin, please add me to the list of participants
13:00:37 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
13:02:41 From Hadia : hello all
13:03:22 From Roberto : I am also attending
13:03:58 From gunela : Hi everyone
13:04:16 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi all
13:04:33 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Hi My Name Is Chokri my last name is Ben Romdhane and not only ben
13:04:36 From gunela : Please note me as attending
13:04:42 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Thank you
13:04:46 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Hello all
13:06:52 From gunela : Thank you for holding the meeting at this UTC time
13:07:10 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Sorry Im late - Ill be going in and out of this meeting as well
13:07:19 From Ricardo Holmquist : the policy report was already released OCL
13:07:20 From Claudia Ruiz : @gunela, your attendance is noted
13:07:38 From gunela : @Claudia, thanks
13:08:35 From Laurin : These are the SSR2 slides from the last engagement session: herbert_lin
13:08:50 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted AI, thank you
13:08:56 From Evan Leibovitch : +1 more on the PIR transfer. But I have a hard stop after an hour so perhaps this can be carried over. In the best of circumstances this topic won't get much time in this meeting
13:09:03 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Sebastien - we need to revisit Dot/DOh
13:09:50 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Microsoft announcement re: DOH over https : https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Networking-Blog/Windows-will-improve-user-privacy-with-DNS-over-HTTPS/ba-p/1014229
13:09:54 From Sebastien Bachollet : http://www.circleid.com/posts/20191118_microsoft_announces_plans_to_adopt_doh_in_windows/
13:13:32 From Oksana Prykhodko : Hi everyone, sorry, I am late
13:23:35 From Lutz Donnerhacke : @Dev thank you. They describe an automatic "update" of external DNS Servers (manually configured to the Windows client) to DoH instead of UDP/DNS if the Servers support it
13:23:58 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank you very much for this presentation
13:24:31 From christopher wilkinson : Brilliant exposé, Lauren.
13:25:03 From Harold Arcos : Thanks Laurin,, so useful summarize
13:27:29 From Jonathan Zuck : Oh, I know!
13:28:02 From Jonathan Zuck : Some very similar recommendations
13:29:09 From Holly Raiche : Can we do something jointly - which will strengthen both or our gorups
13:30:41 From Holly Raiche : Over to you JZ -
13:32:37 From Jonathan Zuck : Perhaps
13:32:45 From Jonathan Zuck : Rocambolesque means "incredible" and "extraordinary" and is used to describe something improbable. For example, a rocambolesque story is one that is full of twists and extraordinary adventures. Examples.
13:33:27 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : The SSR2 wiki : https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/SSR2+Review
13:34:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks so much Laurien
13:37:01 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank you again Lauren
13:39:30 From Lutz Donnerhacke : ICANN does still not understand the guiding ideas behind the GDPR.
13:43:49 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Complicate the access or storage process does not change anything on the legal responsibility of the party contractactually requesting the vollection of the data.
13:44:28 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Seems that the technical study engaged by the board have influenced a lot the development of the the UAM?
13:45:12 From Carlton Samuels : +1 Lutz
13:45:22 From Oksana Prykhodko : @lutz not only ICANN
13:45:44 From christopher wilkinson : Not our dog. CW
13:46:07 From Carlton Samuels : ..and in my humble opinion, continues to get piss poor legal advice per GDPR
13:47:35 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Primary lesson to learn: Do never ever ask the European data protection officers how to Interpret the GDPR.
13:48:23 From Lutz Donnerhacke : It's like asking a police officer how to steal efficently.
13:51:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : It is indeed mind-boggling that ICANN seeks advice from Data Protection Officers, bearing these officers are attached to a single country….
13:53:25 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank you Hadia
13:53:34 From Hadia : Thank you all
13:53:40 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Seeking advice is not a bad idea. But you need to aks the right questions.
13:54:00 From Rudi Daniel : thank you Hadia.
13:54:31 From Eduardo Diaz : I have a hard stop at the top of the hour. Need to attend another meeting. My apologies.
13:54:31 From Holly Raiche : Thanks for all the work Hadia
13:54:35 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Please ask this question to Hadia Seems that the technical study engaged by the board have influenced a lot the development of the the UAM?
13:55:37 From gunela : Impressive work, Hadia!
13:55:46 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Thank you Hadia and good luck
13:55:55 From Hadia : Thank you all for all the support
13:56:24 From Adrian Schmidt : yes
13:56:26 From Evin Erdoğdu : See At-Large Workspace: ALAC Advice to the ICANN Board on DNS Abuse: https://community.icann.org/x/ipAzBw
13:56:53 From Judith Hellerstein : i am switching to mobile as I need to leave the office
13:59:52 From Holly Raiche : WE should do more than just short term stuff -
13:59:52 From Harold Arcos : From LACRALO we created a Subgroup of Work on DNS Abuse led by our former ALAC Member, Fatima Cambronero who has followed up on the issue. Soon more inputs from LAC on this subject.
14:00:19 From Holly Raiche : It was a really good session
14:02:02 From Harold Arcos : +1 Action Item
14:02:38 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Harold.
14:04:02 From Hadia : @great Harold
14:04:42 From Raymond Mamattah : Obviously, during the vote not everyone agreed to the WT5 report. But it wasnt rather a majority decision.
14:16:13 From Michel TCHONANG : Great!
14:23:03 From Evin Erdoğdu : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2019-11-20+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call?preview=/120820538/120821002/icann_CPWGDiagram_FA3b.pdf
14:23:12 From Nadira Al Araj : Good improved version
14:24:49 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Sebastian B.: but ALAC is an equal member of the empowered community....
14:25:08 From christopher wilkinson : My experience on WHOIS/GDPR and PDP/WT5, I woulds rather participate as an SO than as an AC. CW
14:26:05 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Developing policy statements and advice is ALAC's job but the RALOs should be playing a bigger part in getting their regional voices to the CPWG for the ALAC to be able to create a statement or advice that is initiated bottom up
14:26:33 From Holly Raiche : Agree - which is why JZ’s revised chart specifically includes RALOs in the process
14:27:09 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Yes I think this is the beginning of a long discussion on this. There might be some misunderstandings, or perhaps should we discuss this more extensively in a future call
14:27:28 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Valid points and we need to get organised.
14:27:29 From Harold Arcos : Totally agree @Maureen, and in sync.
14:27:34 From Jonathan Zuck : sure
14:27:44 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : OK take it to a future call.. but it is important that we stick to what we are mandated to do..
14:28:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Especially since this is new ALAC and new RALO leadership, it is a time to work on this
14:28:42 From Michel TCHONANG : I agree with you Olivier
14:29:26 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : What's was the issue with the graphic done for the ALAC that's in the Intro to At-Large presentation (slides 10 and 11) https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HMFLErJhpEfDegtZn78hYm49oR_BtnYloMTjV0SqtcU/edit?usp=sharing
14:30:08 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Great number of participants. This is really exciting. I hope the newbies are getting a really good idea of what it is that we are engaged in - every week
14:30:12 From christopher wilkinson : Could the staff issue heads-up on ALL new posts and comments on the wiki. ? Thanks. CW
14:30:41 From Hadia : Thanks to Justine for all the hard work
14:30:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Excellent work by Justine!
14:30:54 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 and to you too Hadia
14:31:37 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank Justine
14:32:35 From Claudia Ruiz : @Christopher all the comments in the chat will be posted in the wiki
14:32:52 From Claudia Ruiz : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2019-11-20+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
14:33:39 From christopher wilkinson : But none of the links on the screen can be saved or copied !! CW
14:33:47 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Jonathan
14:35:56 From christopher wilkinson : Unless we learn from the past, we will have the issue of transfers of geo names from pirates and speculators back to their original destination!!
14:36:31 From christopher wilkinson : Good night CW
14:36:50 From Hadia : Yes sorry for that - I shall post something tomorrow
14:37:40 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Olivier: define "participate"
14:38:21 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : we have had "Co-Chairing" like in WT-5
14:38:51 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : but then there is a matter of speed and expedience like in ePDP
14:39:05 From Holly Raiche : Happy to look at it
14:39:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : participate is: email relevant staff member support for PDP and say "I want to be on the mailing list and participate
14:39:13 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Jonathan and @Holly, thank you
14:39:20 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : and the answer for PDPs has been "sure"
14:39:29 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Olivier: all PDPs are open
14:39:52 From Evin Erdoğdu : Yes! Just today published :)
14:39:56 From Evin Erdoğdu : Will share the link
14:39:57 From Nadira Al Araj : yes
14:40:17 From Holly Raiche : @ Carlos - yes, PDP’s are open - the possibility is that membership may be narrowed
14:40:25 From Jonathan Zuck : Too. big
14:40:29 From Evin Erdoğdu : Read the full report here: https://go.icann.org/post66
14:43:18 From Holly Raiche : I think the movement of non-profit to profit should concern us.
14:43:35 From Holly Raiche : Move to Donuts is even scarier
14:46:05 From Rudi Daniel : Good summary Johnathan. but time is of the essence on this one.
14:46:19 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : Sebastian: Zuck was Chairman of the competition review!!!!
14:46:28 From Carlos Raul Gutierrez : he is an expert
14:47:35 From Michel TCHONANG : Sébastien and Jonathan your comment is right
14:47:41 From Marita Moll : Yes, thanks -- single issue call -- let's do that on the PIR issus
14:48:01 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Think a single issue call is important
14:48:22 From Alberto Soto : Thanks!! Bye bye!!!
14:48:47 From David Mackey : bye all!
14:48:50 From Roberto : I think that there is more than just the move from non-profit to profit, so a specific call is in order
14:48:57 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank and good bye everyone
14:48:59 From Oksana Prykhodko : Thank you all, bye!
14:49:07 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Interesting meeting.
14:49:08 From Hadia : Thank you all bye for now
14:49:09 From Harold Arcos : Totally +1 Marita, Dev,, single issue call,,,
14:49:09 From Adrian Schmidt : Bye thank you!
14:49:12 From Carlton Samuels : Y'all might wish to invite Nat Cohen from ICA to the call
14:49:26 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : impact of atlas3
14:49:35 From gunela : Thank you. Lots of useful info. Bye everyone.
14:49:38 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks/ merci
14:49:39 From Carlton Samuels : inre single issue call'
14:49:40 From Harold Arcos : thanks to all,,, thanks our interpreters! and our Staff! bye bye
14:49:41 From Marita Moll : Bye all........ see you soon
14:49:42 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all!
14:49:44 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now.
14:49:49 From Tracy F. Hackshaw : bye
14:49:50 From hanan khatib : thank you
14:50:00 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : take care all
14:50:13 From Vrikson Acosta : bye