ROP ESADT 2012-07-31 AC Chat

  Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Elections, Selection & Appointments Drafting Team Meeting on Tuesday 31 July 2012 at 1300 UTC
  Gisella Gruber-White:Draft Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/JgIeAg
  Matt Ashtiani:hello everyone!
  Matt Ashtiani:Flipcharts - https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/34608365/Flipcharts+from+Prague.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1342205893000
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:awaiting dial out
  Susan Chalmers:hello?
  Yaovi Atohoun:Hello
  Susan Chalmers:apologies, have never used this before and it is rather late. :)
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Olivier - on its way on French number
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi All FINALLY in the AC room ;-)
  Matt Ashtiani:https://community.icann.org/x/JgIeAg
  Gisella Gruber-White:Olivier and Roosevelt are with us again
  Matt Ashtiani:ROP Elections, Selection & Appointments DT meeting 2012-07-31 - https://community.icann.org/x/JgIeAg
  Matt Ashtiani:sure thing
  Matt Ashtiani::-)
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws/bylaws-08dec11-en.htm#XI
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:4. At-Large Advisory Committeea. The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users. The role of the ALAC shall be to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN, insofar as they relate to the interests of individual Internet users. This includes policies created through ICANN's Supporting Organizations, as well as the many other issues for which community input and advice is appropriate. The ALAC, which plays an important role in ICANN's accountability mechanisms, also coordinates some of ICANN's outreach to individual Internet users.b. The ALAC shall consist of (i) two members selected by each of the Regional At-Large Organizations ("RALOs") established according to paragraph 4(g) of this Section, and (ii) five members selected by the Nominating Committee. The five members selected by the Nominating Committee shall include one citizen of a country within each of the five Geographic Regions established according to Section 5 of Arti
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and  on
  avri:it is not theatrics, it is democracy
  avri:and when it happens it signals a crisis, that needs to be dealt with as opposed to be denied.
  avri:those last two were in repsonse to @Alan
  avri:secret ballot in electing leadership is a good thing.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:agreed
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Gee Alan thanks
  Roosevelt King 2:I would like to point out that the difference between election and selection is that there is voting in the election but the sekection should be based on criteria to select the best possible candidate.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Correct  Roosevelt  but the Selection  language  is important
  Roosevelt King 2:the selection criteria must be spelled out, so if we are doing selection the criteria must be established.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agrees
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and I think that is in OUR  DT's  scope
  Roosevelt King 2:selection Criteria language ought to be easy because it is based on what you want. Either qualifications and experience
  Roosevelt King 2:yes it is
  Roosevelt King 2:One other thing. Elections start with nominations. Selection should start with applications from interested persons.
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:I have another call at 14:00
  Roosevelt King 2:but Cheryl, can an election have criteria outside the process? Maybe this is a way to decide whether a process ought to be selection or election.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Noted  Tijani
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:I hope we will finish on the top of the hour
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes planning to
  Roosevelt King 2:of course if they are candidtates with equal qqualifications and experience, an election can be held to decide who will be selected.
  Susan Chalmers:thanks!
  Alan Greenberg:@roosevelt. Good point. Any given ALAC *can* decide to have a secret ballot in lieu of consensus.
  avri:re criteria in elections.  sometime a nominating committee is a nominating committee and they are the ones who judge qualifications.  and then an electorate of some sort votes on either the entire slate put forward by the nomcom or the individuals.  i can did up the RFCs (from IETF nomocm that is a nomcom) that discuss this sort of procedure if people like.
  Roosevelt King 2:Avri, that sounds more like a selection process.
  avri:got to go now, have a meeting to co-chair. cheers.  
  avri:it is a selection process with a vote. a hybrid
  Roosevelt King 2:yes, ok
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:next call 27 Aug  we will do a doodle poll
  Susan Chalmers:indeed. on mute apparently. thanks cheryl.
  Alan Greenberg:Bye all
  Roosevelt King 2:bye
  Matt Ashtiani:thanks everyone!
  Gisella Gruber-White:Thanks Everyone
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Staff we will need to cover off AI's  etc.,  for THIS  DT  in this weeks  prep call   so lets  do 1/2  prep for next weeks  DDT's and a follow up  from today as  we did not have a pen holder attendoing
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Thanks  All  Bye  for now ....
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Susan can you  put  your emaiil here for staff to access you
  Roosevelt King 2:can I get a link to the comments page? Still trying to find my way around ICANN website
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and other than the oss typo  summary notes loom good