Zoom chat: 2020-07-15 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

11:52:29 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
11:52:40 From Vrikson Acosta : Hello everyone
11:55:48 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
11:56:03 From Vanda Scartezini : hi everyone.
11:59:47 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Hello everyone
12:00:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi all
12:00:06 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Hi
12:00:17 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
12:01:11 From Heidi Ullrich : Even is off today so I’l be taking Action Items at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Action+items%3A+2020-07-15+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
12:02:22 From hadia Elminiawi : Hello all
12:02:45 From Alberto Soto : Hi everyone!
12:03:04 From Jaewon Son : Hi everyone!
12:03:44 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:04:24 From Heidi Ullrich : All His from last week have been completed: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Action+items%3A+2020-07-08+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
12:05:02 From Alan Greenberg : We do have a presentation and Hadia will start.
12:05:32 From Claudia Ruiz : @Alan, yes presentation is ready to be displayed
12:05:32 From Alan Greenberg : Actually, I will start VERY briefly and then Hadia.
12:06:12 From Jonathan Zuck : Happy to answer any questions or read drafts, Bill
12:10:50 From Heidi Ullrich : @JZ and @Bill, I’ve made a AI for you to work together on the Label Generation Statement.
12:11:32 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks @Heidi! I guess the first question is to determine if there is something we want to say. I’ll get with Bill to determine.
12:12:49 From Bill Jouris : Thanks, Heidi
12:15:38 From Ricardo Holmquist : Hi everyone, sorry for being late
12:16:03 From Judith Hellerstein : sorry i was late. I had two meetings scheduled at the same time
12:29:23 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks Hadia
12:30:54 From Jonathan Zuck : Ridiculous
12:31:18 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : $20 Million? And end users are going to pay for that?
12:31:35 From hadia Elminiawi : Sorry I was disconnected
12:32:15 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 Alan
12:33:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent approach @Alan and @Hadia
12:34:56 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Just get rid of the whole thing
12:35:10 From Roberto : Thanks for the bad news :-(
12:36:22 From Vrikson Acosta : Sorry I got disconnected
12:36:52 From hadia Elminiawi : I also have an unstable connection
12:37:07 From Vrikson Acosta : What is that $20 million that @Oliver mentioned?
12:37:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : of course bit in the future that will be critical THX
12:37:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : As has SSAC
12:37:44 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : What about the SSAC?
12:39:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but until GNSO Council gets this report any letters to the GNSO Council can simply be "received" and 'noted
12:40:43 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Alan
12:41:15 From Holly Raiche : @ Hadia - that is VERY unfairtunaate
12:41:23 From Holly Raiche : (unfortunate)
12:44:35 From Holly Raiche : Ridiculous!
12:44:42 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : ok thx!
12:45:46 From Holly Raiche : Tks OCL - VERY useful information
12:47:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Then it is Your choice I agree totally on that
12:47:29 From hadia Elminiawi : distinction between legal vs natural is happening within the European union
12:48:14 From christopher wilkinson : Ah”
12:48:22 From Holly Raiche : @ Hadia - are you saying registries handling gTLDs as well as ccTLDs?
12:49:08 From Alan Greenberg : @Holly, we are talking about ccTLDs,
12:49:25 From Holly Raiche : So the ccTLDs manage to handle the issue?
12:49:27 From christopher wilkinson : Ah! EPDP gets really interesting. Thankyou Alan and Haida. CW
12:49:36 From Vanda Scartezini : thanks Hadia. the slides will be available?
12:49:55 From Alan Greenberg : Slides are or will be linked to the agenda
12:50:23 From Vanda Scartezini : in 10 minutes I will join the ccPDP group meeting so will need to close this one. sorry
12:50:46 From Claudia Ruiz : Slides are linked to the agenda
12:51:22 From Claudia Ruiz : https://community.icann.org/x/FAVcC
12:51:44 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : yes some ccTLDs have no problem in differentiating Legal vs. Natural. In fact, some of them have had to address this locally a few years ago and they had to go through the process of making choices. The thing is: most of it can be automated, so you can sort through 95 o fthe database automatically and then have to go through the last 5 by hand. But they are not even ready to do that. I suspect this is more of a liability issue than anything else. i.e. if they make a determination of LEgal vs. Natural and get it wrong, they might be putting themselves at risk
12:53:50 From Holly Raiche : Thanks OCL. Maybe next question - if SOME registries are prepared to manage the differentiation, how do they do that, and what those models can’t be adopted?
12:54:21 From Holly Raiche : (sorry - WHY can’t those models be adopted)
12:55:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it would still need to be established AS a Community in the CPE of course
12:56:28 From Holly Raiche : @CLO - agree - cities are generally some sort of governmental structures. So how are they defined as a community?
12:56:52 From betty Fausta : no tks
12:57:49 From Jonathan Zuck : Hmm. Seems like a stretch
12:58:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and remember we (in SubPro) are also proposing change (for good) in the CPE that also allows more transparency, continuity and predictability in future CPE
12:58:45 From Vanda Scartezini : will try to follow this discussion later on since I am quite interested in this Holly’s discussion
12:59:05 From Vanda Scartezini : need to enter into ccPDP meeting
12:59:40 From Roberto : @Holly - I think that the key question we have is who has the decisional power. Is it the community “at large” or their “official” representatives? (which is usually their elected representatives)
13:00:01 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Alan - Interesting
13:01:00 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - normally, the big decisions are governmental - often opposed by its citizens!
13:01:45 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Greg - that helps
13:02:12 From Roberto : @Holly - therefore the issue is more complicated than it might look at a superficial observation
13:02:21 From Jonathan Zuck : Preference
13:03:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thx @Greg well said
13:05:49 From Greg Shatan : Interestingly, one application for .SPA was a Community Priority Application. This was filed by the Asia Spa and Wellness Promotion Council Limited.
13:09:47 From Holly Raiche : Alan has already said that some geo names for cities were approved under the CPE - so is this a bit late???
13:10:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : state the question simply again
13:11:54 From Jonathan Zuck : It might be too complicated to present to others
13:12:36 From Roberto : Can we propose it to the list and have a poll next week?
13:14:08 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - agree - have question with background information
13:23:10 From Judith Hellerstein : Oliver—-we no need to end on time as we are charged extra when we exceed the time
13:24:14 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Judith
13:24:15 From betty Fausta : lol @Judith. No plane No pain... We gain
13:25:23 From Greg Shatan : What is the tool for 2 character codes?
13:26:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The list of them I assume
13:27:32 From Greg Shatan : That is not something that can be replicated for geo names.
13:27:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : BIG list
13:29:08 From hadia Elminiawi : sorry I was disconnected
13:29:16 From christopher wilkinson : Thankyou, Marita. Really recommend reading in detail all Justin’s slides (16). There are a number of GEO issues that need to be addressed. CW
13:30:24 From Ricardo Holmquist : thank you Sebastien!
13:30:32 From Roberto : @Greg and @CLO - are you talking about the ISO3166 or am I misunderstanding something?
13:30:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I Iwas just typing that Thanks OCL
13:30:44 From Judith Hellerstein : we also have the iti webinars happening soon
13:30:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes Roberto
13:30:55 From Yrjo Lansipuro : @Greg:”drawing inspiration as appropriate from the existing tool for the 2-haracter codes” comes from thew GAC Montreal communique. It is about the use of 2-letter cc’s on second level. I’ll find about it more in detail.
13:31:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and to do such a list for all possible Geo names !!! WOW
13:32:03 From Alan Greenberg : Got to go now.
13:32:14 From Greg Shatan : There is an online database with 11 million names that have some sort of geoegraphic use....
13:32:14 From Roberto : @CLO the mantra from Jon has been to let the list be done by some other authoritative body - not us
13:32:50 From Yrjo Lansipuro : @Cheryl: rather of geo names that govts would like to protect
13:32:58 From christopher wilkinson : @CLO - Yes, why not.
13:33:08 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
13:33:10 From hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all - bye for now
13:33:21 From Judith Hellerstein : thanks all-bye for now
13:33:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then...
13:33:26 From AK Oloyede : Bye
13:33:27 From Marita Moll : not me -- JUstine
13:33:28 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : bye
13:33:36 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : bye
13:33:42 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now
13:33:51 From Silvia Vivanco : Thanks all
13:33:52 From Silvia Vivanco : Bye
13:33:56 From Maureen Hilyard : Thanks all
13:33:56 From betty Fausta : bye all