Zoom chat: 2019-07-17 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:36:10 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 13:00 UTC
15:36:23 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/BKqjBg
15:36:52 From haroun mahamat cheri : hi
15:48:07 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:48:16 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello Holly!
15:51:16 From Holly Raiche : Folks - I have to leave at 10
15:55:25 From Yesim Nazlar : noted, Holly
15:59:08 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : GDPR for Citizen event will be filmed for those tied up with the ALAC meetings on Saturday. A primer of reading material will be made available
15:59:42 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : Portuguese and Spanish volunteers are translating the Digirights materials for Raoul Plommer
16:01:11 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Hi
16:02:04 From Heidi Ullrich : Hello, All.
16:03:02 From Vanda Scartezini : hi everyone. sorry not to be able to attend previous calls. always conflicting with some client’s demands for meetings… glad I can do this time
16:03:21 From Roberto : Hi - Roberto Gaetano also here
16:04:17 From Yesim Nazlar : will note your name as well Roberto
16:04:45 From Vanda Scartezini : here the blog from ATRT3 activities in Marrakesh :https://www.icann.org/news/blog/accountability-and-transparency-review-highlights-from-marrakech-and-share-your-views
16:13:46 From Judith Hellerstein : Did you notate my name on the list?
16:21:55 From Justine Chew : Is any other constituency proposing a use case that covers what Holly raises?
16:22:54 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : I believe this is the case that's in discussio now
16:22:56 From Holly Raiche : I would be happy to provide examples of Australian institutions established by Government that have a consumer protection rule at law
16:23:26 From Justine Chew : My question has also been answered, thanks @Hadia.
16:23:38 From Hadia : thank you holly
16:23:46 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : I have been dropped
16:23:52 From Justine Chew : I mean my question on the second use case.
16:25:01 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : back on
16:25:04 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Sorry for my tardiness
16:27:54 From Justine Chew : Yup, I am one such end-user who use(d) WHOIS to verify who registered a particular domain name.
16:28:37 From Justine Chew : So I may be forced to go through an intermediary in future. Sigh.
16:31:32 From Holly Raiche : Hadia is fading
16:31:33 From Vanda Scartezini : i am losing hadia
16:32:38 From Vanda Scartezini : certainly harms whole internet community
16:33:39 From Justine Chew : And apply GDPR to non-EU country folks!
16:33:54 From Justine Chew : Unnecessarily.
16:33:56 From Vanda Scartezini : yeaH Justine…
16:36:22 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Perhaps it should be mentioned on the EPDP call that going further than what GDPR requires is unacceptable for this working group and exceeds the working group's charter
16:37:06 From Jonathan Zuck : I think that's fine
16:39:22 From Hadia : Thank you holly - this is certainly an essential read
16:39:47 From Hadia : @olivier totally agree
16:41:39 From Vanda Scartezini : thanks Holly relevant points raised for new gTLD
16:41:52 From Hadia : Also the EDPB has also acknowledged ICANN’s role with regard to consumer protection ( in its letter to ICANN on July 5 2018)
16:42:05 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : and the subpro group is requesting clarification...
16:44:21 From Jonathan Zuck : critical path
16:44:53 From Holly Raiche : My proposal for next week’s meeting is to further flesh out what should be the bottom line prerequisites for ALAC, and then our other priorities. Again, everyone, have a look at the Report, pages 15-25 for the recommendations.
16:45:07 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : concur holly
16:45:42 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Justine -
16:47:07 From Holly Raiche : We have made responses to the interim and final CT reports that we can draw on
16:48:03 From Justine Chew : @Jonathan, agreed and noted.
16:48:05 From Holly Raiche : Agree with JZ - we need to flesh that out
16:48:22 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Holly as an AI
16:49:30 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : @ Holly, Please can you provide the link for the report
16:49:36 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Jonathan - and agree on the applicants support - a real issue
16:49:46 From Justine Chew : Sure, will keep both @Holly and @JZ in the loop re our work.
16:50:19 From Holly Raiche : Great - we will check with her as well
16:50:20 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Please let us know in the chat if you're interested in reviewing these Applicant Support documents
16:50:28 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Let Jonathan know
16:50:37 From Justine Chew : @JZ can you share those please? Ask Tijani?
16:51:05 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : @Jonathan, I can take a look, Please send
16:51:21 From Jonathan Zuck : Happy toshare with all. Was just interested in getting someone to take a whack at boiling them down to some recommendations we might pass on
16:52:36 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : @ Holly, Please can you provide the link for the report
16:52:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hardly a Master Plan
16:53:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : No were travelling ata decent pace and Yes it is poory scoped
16:53:38 From Holly Raiche : @ Yesim/Evin - would you please provide Abdulkarim with the link - i”m about to leave
16:54:08 From Holly Raiche : Folks - sorry - have to leave. Talk next week/
16:54:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Will do @Holly
16:54:11 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : dropped again
16:54:27 From Evin Erdoğdu : We will circulate the report after the call
16:54:46 From Jonathan Zuck : Sorry, didn't see you on the call Cheryl.
16:55:44 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : back on
16:58:54 From Jonathan Zuck : of course the reason it has gone on for so long is because it was started too early. sigh.
16:59:51 From Jonathan Zuck : indeed
16:59:57 From Justine Chew : Lots of opinion divergence still afoot in SubPro which the WG members are grapping with.
17:00:14 From Justine Chew : *grappling with
17:01:32 From Jonathan Zuck : @Justine but Jeff is a freight train in many ways and I think we need to make sure this doesn't just become a case of attrition.
17:02:01 From Justine Chew : @JZ, noted!
17:02:31 From Hadia : sorry but I shall need to leave the call now Thank you all
17:02:43 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Thank you Hadia!
17:04:00 From Jonathan Zuck : ok Thanks.
17:04:32 From Justine Chew : The SubPro WG also hasn't deliberated on public comments re Applicant Support yet. From memory. But we have been consistent in raising JAS report outcomes in our statement to the SubPro Initial Report.
17:08:52 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : I do not support CW's assessment. Cheryl's role as co-chair puts her in a co-chair's role. Advocacy on the part of ALAC takes a back seat to managing a PDP process. Well done Cheryl.
17:09:07 From Justine Chew : @Chris, I think CLO is in a difficult position as Co-Chair. It is important for Co-Chairs to be neutral (even if you think the other Co-Chair isn't).
17:09:33 From Jonathan Zuck : That's why we have Justine in there to fight the good fight!
17:10:16 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : As VC for policy, I strongly support cheryl's work and thank her for it.
17:10:38 From Justine Chew : And all At-Large folks on SubPro are free to state and defend the ALAC positions.
17:10:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But I am appointed as Co Chair by the GNSO of course and not there on behalf of ALAC or At-Large at all,,,
17:12:21 From Judith Hellerstein : I can help out on the financial plan
17:13:51 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : i was supposed to be added to Evolving Gov. of the rot Server System
17:15:32 From Justine Chew : @Abdulkarim, I suggest you go ahead and post your thoughts on the relevant wiki first.
17:16:11 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : @ justine, I already did
17:18:03 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : There has been no response on the Technical ISsues WG :-(
17:18:09 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : zero response
17:19:38 From Jonathan Zuck : @Abdulkarim, we'll take a look. Thanks!
17:21:26 From christopher wilkinson : Fraud prevention is an end-user interest.
17:21:58 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, @CW, that's what I'm saying. That may justify our intervention
17:22:08 From Jonathan Zuck : Would you like to take a look at it?
17:22:38 From Justine Chew : ALAC has commented on IG)-INGO Curative Rights issue.
17:23:18 From Justine Chew : @JZ, agreed. Too much on the plate.
17:23:42 From Judith Hellerstein : on rights protection, I would ask Greg Shatan as he is vey active on this issue
17:24:54 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : DROPPED again!
17:24:56 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : sorry
17:25:02 From Jonathan Zuck : i'll be in LA so the later the better for me
17:25:39 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : back on
17:25:43 From christopher wilkinson : @JZ Re Fraude - my interest is from personal experience. ;-(( Not sure about another on-line commitment. There are better experts than I am. CW
17:25:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct
17:25:51 From Vanda Scartezini : yes Sebastien
17:27:12 From Justine Chew : SubPro, RPM, ATRT3, EPDP, and everything else!
17:27:20 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Thanks Cheryl --- AI for staff to look at SubPro calendar
17:27:28 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : etc. .......... :-)
17:28:39 From Justine Chew : I have no idea at this point
17:28:41 From Roberto : 19:00 fine with me
17:29:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Sub Pro starts at 2000 then that day
17:29:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but an hour is clear
17:29:43 From Jonathan Zuck : Sounds good. Evin and I will get that going prior to the call.
17:31:56 From Justine Chew : @JZ, great! TQ
17:32:12 From Evin Erdoğdu : @Olivier will do
17:32:32 From Olivier Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Evin
17:33:13 From Justine Chew : Thanks all
17:33:21 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all!
17:33:22 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : bye all
17:33:24 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks!
17:33:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then
17:33:33 From Judith Hellerstein : bye all
17:33:47 From Vanda Scartezini : productive meeting thank you bye
17:33:51 From Gordon Chillcott : THanks and bye for now