10:45:00 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call on Wednesday 15 January 2020 at 19:00 UTC
10:50:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
10:56:03 From Vanda Scartezini : hi everyone
10:56:38 From Alberto Soto : Hola a todos, hello everyone!
10:57:11 From Holly Raiche : I am using head phones and so will hang up my phone call - I do not need to be called back - thanks
10:57:29 From Gunela Astbrink : Hi everyone
10:57:48 From Alfredo Lopez : Buenas tardes a todos
10:57:49 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Hi everyone :)
10:58:08 From Michelle DeSmyter : @Holly - thank you, this has been noted
11:00:26 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Please mute your MIC.
11:01:06 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome. All.
11:01:15 From davekissoondoyal : Hello all
11:01:35 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : Hello all
11:02:28 From Ines Hfaiedh : Hi everyone
11:02:48 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Saludos a todos / Hello to all!
11:03:58 From Glenn McKnight FBSC : Greetings
11:04:16 From shreedeep rayamajhi : hello everyone
11:05:07 From Glenn McKnight FBSC : Greetings
11:05:16 From Aris Ignacio : hello everyone!
11:06:18 From Filina Natalia : Hi all, sorry for the delay
11:07:13 From Oksana Prykhodko : Hello everyone
11:07:51 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : hi everyone
11:08:03 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : im here on zoom no more on the phone
11:08:11 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I did ask for the title of #4 could be changed so as not to confuse people about Marita's important contribution to the MSM work which remains with the CPWG rather than the FBSC
11:08:23 From Claudia Ruiz : Noted @Pastor Peters
11:09:07 From Gordon Chillcott : Sorry I'm late.
11:10:14 From Holly Raiche : 2
11:10:33 From Holly Raiche : @ Alan - what do you mean by ‘not working’
11:13:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Alan is your F2F meeting a facilitated one? maybe if it is that might progress things...
11:13:33 From Holly Raiche : @ Alan - I can see what you mean by not working
11:14:13 From Alan Greenberg : @Cheryl, probably, but honestly I don't think it will make a big difference.
11:14:21 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : apologies for being late
11:14:44 From christopher wilkinson : @Alan - Where, when will the F2F meeting take place? CW
11:15:23 From Alan Greenberg : @CW. Los Angeles.
11:15:34 From Alan Greenberg : ICANN Office
11:20:39 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I'm surprised … not
11:24:29 From Holly Raiche : What about resellers> Would the request go to the reseller of up to the actual registrar?
11:25:01 From Lutz Donnerhacke : There is no doubt. ICANN is the sole Controller. There is no (legal) room for any join Controller.
11:26:36 From Alan Greenberg : @Lutz, there are many who do not agree with you.
11:27:07 From Alan Greenberg : If ICANN were clearly and in everyone's mind the sole controller, this would be an easy task.
11:27:16 From BillBill Jouris : That's why ICANN retains lawyers: to advise on points like this
11:27:35 From Lutz Donnerhacke : The problem with "joined Controller" is, that this term is mostly undefined within the European Data Protection Officers themself. They wait for a case to prove their assumptions in Court.
11:29:18 From Lutz Donnerhacke : @Alan, the (Primary) Controller is the Party who defines the use cases for data Collection. Which is ICANN in any case. The Registry/Registrar does not Need them.
11:36:20 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : even if they are joined controllers this does not mean that one controller will be liable for the breach of GDPR of the other controller if it can prove it has nothing to do with this breach
11:38:40 From Holly Raiche : This seems to presume that there will be F2F meetings as well as developing a response electronically
11:39:29 From Lutz Donnerhacke : The risks are not any unforeseen breach, but structural misdesign in Violation of the GDPR.
11:39:33 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : there is attempt to have a course at meeting B on Culture
11:39:57 From Holly Raiche : What is the proposed timeframe?
11:39:57 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : conducted by ICANN Academy
11:45:03 From Jonathan Zuck : Or take sole responsibility for the success for failure
11:45:23 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : breaking silos is about constant updates on what is happening in various groups
11:45:40 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : and also calls for collaboration between the groups
11:46:43 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : +1 Daniel collaboration between the groups
11:47:11 From Jonathan Zuck : Agreed CW, I guess I feel like this might be part and parcel of our direct action
11:47:47 From Holly Raiche : Structurally, we are in silos - so to what extent can the solis be broken down?
11:49:57 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : I think this issue has to be discussed at the ALAC
11:50:09 From Holly Raiche : Will this involve the sort of resources that have been necessary in the EPDP?
11:51:26 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : +1 Cheryl the at-large is uniquely positioned to take this on
11:51:50 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : +1 Cheryl
11:51:51 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I've to leave. cu
11:52:11 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : I agree with you Cheryl
11:52:49 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I also think they are achievable
11:53:16 From Alberto Soto : +1 Greg, +1 Cheryl
11:53:43 From Jonathan Zuck : agree
11:55:50 From Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY) : We need a Six Sigma black belt with an agile scrum to manage this properly. :-)
11:55:56 From davekissoondoyal : +1 for translation on this call
11:56:21 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Greg - the question of resources (people’s time particularly) is a big one
11:56:46 From christopher wilkinson : @FR, I didn’t find how to switch language channels
11:57:37 From Justine Chew : I am happy to defer SubPro to next week
11:58:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This îs^higher priority re its PC response required tghan Sub Pro I agree !Justine
11:58:36 From Justine Chew : Since my updates aren't time sensitive for now
11:58:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : exactly :-)
11:58:57 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : prioritisation is one of the focus of ATRT3
12:00:05 From Jonathan Zuck : Who’s taking the lead on this one?
12:00:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes it is @Danial and SeB noted that as well, but what Brian has stated is not mutually exclusive but could become complementary to the more detailed proposal we have made
12:01:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : noting also that we will need to meet with Brian again I suspect once the ATRT2 PC is completed and analysed
12:01:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : should say ATRT3
12:01:54 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : yes that is right @Cheryl
12:03:10 From Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY) : We need to assume that each group will do the job fairly and appropriately, us included.
12:04:41 From Glenn McKnight FBSC : I vote to have Atlarge to take the lead. Perhaps a poll
12:04:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We also need to note that each work task is listed to be an inclusive process of project management job
12:05:04 From Holly Raiche : How much of the ATRT3 will be issues raised in this context?
12:05:07 From Alan Greenberg : I don't think there are two sides. There is no practical way to either say GNSO should not take their ole and we not take what is being offered.
12:05:10 From Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY) : Do we want to swap jobs with the GNSO?
12:05:42 From Alberto Soto : Yes
12:05:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ALAC is the body
12:06:07 From Filina Natalia : ALAC, yes
12:06:55 From Raymond Mamattah : Yes
12:06:59 From avri doria : Can you accept it and still have emnity for other silos?
12:07:00 From Glenn McKnight FBSC : Its a test if people are listening too
12:07:28 From Evin Erdoğdu : 18 yes counted
12:07:35 From Priyatosh Jana : yes
12:07:43 From Evin Erdoğdu : 4 no
12:08:04 From Adrian Schmidt : yes
12:08:20 From Evin Erdoğdu : 26 yes now
12:08:22 From Kerry Kerr : yes
12:08:44 From Sebastien Bachollet : A lot is already in the ATRT3 proposal
12:10:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes ad again this is the Project Mx WITH the other AC/SOs
12:10:38 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : at this point I feel we need to drive consensus
12:10:39 From Holly Raiche : I have my doubts - they haven’t been good at inclusivity in the past and there are still recommendations on inclusivity that they haven’t done
12:11:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : an ideal excuse for US to assist breaking down silos ;-)
12:11:12 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Maritia
12:11:19 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : YES
12:11:20 From Judith Hellerstein : I am against the inclusivity piece as well
12:11:44 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : At-large has been strong in Outreach and we shifted to driving Engagement
12:12:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : GNSO needs to learn and from the wider ICANN Community what the definition(s) of Inclusivity and representation means in terms of expectations beyond the lead body
12:13:09 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 CW
12:13:52 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) : I also don't see them good at inclusivity
12:14:36 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Apart from At-Large who is good at inclusivity? But we can't do everything :D
12:14:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : that is very much (in my view) because they are only usually focussed on the GNSO not wider ICANN or MSM
12:15:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : that was in ref to GNSO and inclusivity
12:15:58 From Jonathan Zuck : @Maureen, in fairness, the SOs spend a lot of time and effort, along with Chris Mondini, to be more inclusive. So it’s not black and white
12:16:04 From Holly Raiche : @ CLO - inclusivity and representation as issues formed part of their last review - which they list as accomplished - and I think many would have questions as to whether there are still issues for them of representation and inclusivity
12:16:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but it was THE inclusivity and inclusiveness of aspects OF the GNSO in their Review @Holly not the MSM of ICANN
12:17:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and the GNSO has a specific and limited scope
12:17:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : within that model
12:18:36 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : also note ATRT3 Public Comment is still on
12:18:45 From Justine Chew : At the moment I am more concerned with movement on the ATRT3 Draft Report
12:22:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : especially as there is NO extensions for that PC
12:22:24 From Holly Raiche : @ CLO - you’re correct. But if there is an issue with inclusivity and inclusiveness of their processes, does it make sense for them to address the same issues, but more broadlly
12:23:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : only in as much as it often links with the larger topic of Consensus building
12:23:14 From Holly Raiche : On the other hand, maybe it would be good for them to have to address the issue
12:23:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Sorry for my delay in responses here I am in 2 calls at once
12:23:45 From Justine Chew : Whatever means we use for ATRT3 comment, please get it moving!
12:24:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : that gets a hell yes from me
12:25:20 From Sebastien Bachollet : And I gave 2 time a presentation, we can now discuss!!!
12:26:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But I am listening ;-)
12:27:57 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : I agree with @Cheryl
12:28:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed Seb I thought 4 visits to the issues might have been enough seeding for the work onwards
12:30:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : huanimity
12:30:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I believe we do all agree
12:30:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : for Prioritisation
12:31:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Process FOR Prioritisation
12:32:39 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Prioritisation has always been a key discussion
12:33:09 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : the ATRT3 did not get consensus and that is why we came to seek public consultation
12:33:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Sure but you asked what OUR views were we are telling you
12:34:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Opt 2 and the Community based Prioritisation exercise
12:34:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as we have outlined
12:37:02 From Justine Chew : So potentially all we need to say is we agree with the draft report, and Option 2?
12:37:11 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted
12:37:28 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Need to move. Thanks for the call
12:38:54 From Jonathan Zuck : And it’s Feb 11
12:39:49 From Ricardo Holmquist : bye everyone, have to leave
12:40:10 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : bye all
12:40:17 From Bastiaan Goslings : need to go too, thanks all
12:40:28 From Jonathan Zuck : Please read Godwin’s circle ID piece
12:41:06 From Marita Moll : didn't see this. please sent to list
12:41:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : bye for now ( it would be nice if these calls occasionally did not overlap with SubPro Calls or for today SubPro Leadership Team call (where were are discussing our 2020 work plan - so kinda important POLICY stuff)
12:41:38 From Judith Hellerstein : Mike Godwin has just written an excellent article on what he calls saving dot ORG. http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200114_here_is_how_we_can_truly_savedotorg/?fbclid=IwAR2p4RZR0p9W-nLyUMie7nDKrYhlRezpCsh73m3eTOxg-01Jgi3KtGYyWfE
Here's How We Can Truly #SaveDotOrg
http://www.circleid.com
12:41:52 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Yes that was an interesting CircleID article
12:41:54 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Bye all, overlaps are not so sweet
12:42:03 From hanan khatib : Thank you all,
12:42:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but they are weekly it seems
12:42:25 From Sebastien Bachollet : Great interpretation in French/English
12:42:29 From Sebastien Bachollet : Thanks
12:42:30 From Vanda's iPhone 5 : thanks to all
12:42:34 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, @Cheryl, it would be great if, as the chair, you could stop scheduling SubPro calls during the CPWG regularly scheduled calls. ;)
12:42:36 From Filina Natalia : thanks all. Bye bye!
12:42:48 From Alfredo Lopez : Gracias
12:42:51 From Oksana Prykhodko : Thank you all, bye
12:42:51 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks all any to
12:42:55 From Greg Shatan (ISOC-NY) : bye all!
12:42:57 From Gunela Astbrink : Thanks, bye everyone
12:43:01 From Raymond Mamattah : Good night
12:43:02 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Bye all
12:43:06 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
12:43:07 From Marita Moll : Thanks. Bye all
12:43:08 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong (IGF CHAD) : bye
12:43:09 From Alberto Soto : Thanks, bye bye!!
12:43:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Our Schedule has been out for YEARS JZ befoe SPWG
12:43:12 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks everyone!
12:43:21 From Alfredo Lopez : Bye
12:43:38 From avri doria : bye, thanks. interesting call
12:43:40 From Adrian Schmidt : bye!!!
12:43:40 From Anne-Marie Joly-Bachollet : bye
12:43:43 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Bye all
12:44:25 From Ali AlMeshal : bye
