Terri Agnew:Welcome to the At-Large Briefing on the ALAC Response to the CCWG Accountability 3rd Draft Proposal on Wednesday, 16 December 2015 at 22:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/JI1lAw
Eve Edelson:hello all
Terri Agnew:Welcome Eve we will begin in approx 25 minutes
Eve Edelson:ok thanks
Maureen Hilyard:Hi Eve
Maureen Hilyard:Bit lonely here for a meeting that is supposed to start in 5 or so minutes
Leon Sanchez:I can listen to you loud and clear Alan
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone!
Wafa Dahmani:hello Leon
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed it is... Terri tell Adigo to ignore the new noises on my llin ewhen I answere they will only last a few seconds
Leon Sanchez:My apologies for missing the IANA issues call but I, as Cheryl, was in the CCWG Webinar
Maureen Hilyard:Hi Leon and Cheryl - good previous session
Wafa Dahmani:Hello everyone
Eve Edelson:greetings & salutations
Leon Sanchez:Hi Wafa!
Leon Sanchez:Hi Maureen!
Wafa Dahmani:Hello Cheryl
Wafa Dahmani:hello Maureen
Maureen Hilyard:@Leon Is Kavouss part of At-Large :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi Wafa
Wafa Dahmani:hi olivier how are you
Eve Edelson:you can call the tree a Christmas tree in NY but I suppose it increases sales if you market to everyone ;}
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I am in London & I got cut out
Eve Edelson:I am going to quit & rejoin, my audio output is not working
Leon Sanchez:@Maureen we could welcome him with open arms :-)
Maureen Hilyard::)
Leon Sanchez:I believe Adigo has been experiencing technical difficulties today
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):We all Know THE Chair1
Eve Edelson:ok back, test only
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi Eve
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):INDEED!
Eve Edelson:wow crackly
Carlton Samuels:Howdy all. We have lousy audio
Leon Sanchez:We do Carlton
Leon Sanchez:Audio has been playing games with us today in different sessions
Carlton Samuels:Howdy brother Leon
Leon Sanchez:Doing well my brother
Eve Edelson:yes
CW:GOOD EVENIN
Wafa Dahmani:yes
Alberto Soto -IIISI:yes
Leon Sanchez:and we thought it had been so easy OCL
CW:Good evening everyone, CW
Wafa Dahmani:too much noise in your line sometimes i can hardly hear you olivier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All good from my POV OCL
Carlton Samuels:Recognize Leon Sanchez and his role
Terri Agnew:Third Draft Report (published on 30 November) https://community.icann.org/x/eLRYAw
Chris LaHatte:Good morning from down under
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi Chris :-)
Maureen Hilyard:Hi Chris
Carlton Samuels:G'day to you Chris
Leon Sanchez:Thank you very much Carlton :-)
Chris LaHatte:+1 Carlton!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ouch!
Eve Edelson:static
Leon Sanchez:ouch
CW:wel .... !!!!!
Eve Edelson:yes
Eve Edelson:yes I hear you Alan
Carlton Samuels:Inre GAC, they will need a overhaul of their operating protocols!
Carlton Samuels:How can they say they are participating without the changes in operating protocols adopted?
CW:Alan: IT depends a lot on the day to day vigilance and the mandate of the AC representatives.
Vernatius EZEAMA:Greetings all
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok understood thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Well explained Alan
CW:I have reservations about some of these Recommendations. My comments are at: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-ccwg-accountability-proposal-30nov15/msg00007.html
Terri Agnew:locating line
Leon Sanchez:if we could at least get the joke :P
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:This is quite hilarious
Heidi Ullrich:Apologies for the interference.
Roberto Gaetano:we have the recording, so we can try later to have the joke translated
leah Symekher:apologies..I will need to drop out now. Leah
Terri Agnew:goodbye Leah
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Paragraph 205 on the main Document
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Clarify that ICANN’s Mission is limited to coordinating the development and implementation of policies that are designed to ensure the stable and secure operation of the Domain Name System and are reasonably necessary to facilitate the openness, interoperability, resilience, and/or stability of the Domain Name System. Clarify that ICANN’s Mission does not include the regulation of services that use the Domain Name System Clarify that ICANN’s powers are “enumerated” – meaning that anything not articulated in the Bylaws are outside the scope of ICANN’s authority. This does not mean ICANN’s powers can never evolve
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:– but ensures that any changes will be deliberate and supported by the community.
Ariel Liang:Re the 'main document' (3rd Draft Proposal): https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-ccwg-accountability-proposal-work-stream-1-recs-30nov15-en.pdf
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:yes
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks
Carlton Samuels:@CW: The problem is ICANN loathes the very idea it is seen to be a regulator. It wants to be Pontius Pilate here.
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: CW is saying decis....well, he said it!
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: ICANN is NEVER judgment-free. This is a squirrelly way to again absolve itself.
CW:Alan: Consumer Trust. Agree. Important
Carlton Samuels:ICANN financial health ...and indeed, the sustainability of the DNS, is hostage to consumer trust. Find a way to interdict the money flow...consumers keep their hands in their pockets. Money talks...bs walks!
Eve Edelson:Carlton, "Find a way to interdict the money flow.", interesting, please expand?
Chris LaHatte:Please excuse me, I have another commitment and must now leave-happy holidays to all!
Carlton Samuels:@Eve: If consumers distrust the DNS they will stop buying domain names. When they do then the origin of the funding is impacted.
Terri Agnew:goodbye Chris
Carlton Samuels:Thanks Chris. Every Good Wish
Eve Edelson:@Carlton thanks, I figured you meant that; 'interdict' has a dramatic feel, I thought maybe you meant more, thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):audio is fading in and out *again* it seems to be for many of us
Carlton Samuels:@Eve: Used in the sense of 'a way to get in between consumer as provider and ICANN as receptor
Eve Edelson:@Carlton, yes, thanks, good explanation, and good point
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):not *formally* opposed by anyione
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Would you be willing to give your opinion of the redline issues?
Carlton Samuels:I have to cut off bottom of the hour..
Garth Graham:Basic question: I understand accountability to mean the obligation of decision-makers in authority to explain publicly, fully and fairly how they are carrying out their commonsense responsibilities. USA has said ICANN is to account to, answer to, the global Internet community. But, except for the role of the commitments, almost everything else in the proposal is focused on a “community” that is internal to ICANN. Aren’t the broader global community and the created internal ICANN “empowered” community being confused? This seems to be two parts of ICANN “explaining “ to themselves. How does what is proposed as an internal watchdog process support ICANN in it’s obligation to explain its actions, even if those actions are self-regulating, to the global Internet community?
Carlton Samuels:Have to drop off now. I share ALan's perspective on redlining; say it and don't go in with intent to haggle. That would be unseemly. I do not believe the ALAC must take a position on a neutered Board. Accountability, yes. But the Board may not be reduced to being lapdogs. Looking forward to the redlines, if any.
Carlton Samuels:Bye all
Terri Agnew:goodbye Carlton
Roberto Gaetano:@Seb: there was an initial attempt to state this
Garth Graham:@Ariel. Can you please alert Allan to my chat question?
Ariel Liang:@Garth - Yes will do
Wafa Dahmani:we canf hear
Wafa Dahmani:yes ok now
Eve Edelson:CW is an important concern, what is the appropriate place to mention it?
Terri Agnew:@Garth, please let me know if a dial out is needed
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: there has already been strong criticism of the whole proposal including CWG IANA's proposal, as being one that keeps ICANN to act solely for its "insiders"
Garth Graham:It's an answer, and I see why it's so. But it also bypasses the question
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: your question asks how the current proposal i accountable to the global Internet Community. In my opinion, th only link to the global Internet community is the ALAC and some parts of the non contracted parties house of the GNSO, - that's of course the case if you don't think that contracted parties are parts of the Internet Community
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: in my opinion the proposal is poor in making ICANN accountable to people outside of ICANN
Alberto Soto -IIISI:ok Alan
Garth Graham:I'd note that Fade's support of Internet Governance discussion processes as a form of global answering.
Eve Edelson:thanks, I was wondering too
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Just put up a Yes or No Poll Ariel
Gordon Chillcott:Yes.
Eve Edelson:I may have misunderstood, Alan, I thought we were to 'vote' on the document 'as is' -- ?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and the point Alan has been making and many of us are concerned with is that at present nobody else but the ALAC appear to be concerned about this.
Ariel Liang:working on it
Ariel Liang:one moment
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Eve: this is just a straw poll with yes/no
Sébastien:18?
CW:how are we voting?
Heidi Ullrich:@CW, using the poll to the right
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:box in bottom right corner of Adobe COnnect
Heidi Ullrich:you can indicate yes, no or no vote
CW:But we still have Q1. Are we discussing Q2
Garth Graham:After the singularity, yes/no will be easier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Ignore the numbering of the poll CW it
Leon Sanchez:is a track being kept on who voted already so we don't have duplicate votes in the next briefing call?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we are resuing the yes No or No Vote as a template
CW:OK statemetn
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I believe so Leon
Leon Sanchez:Thanks Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we can always compare the attendance lists but I suspect it is just us 'usual suspects / Members of the CCWG' and we should be asked and expected to not vote twice
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):If we have moved past the points perhaps lowering your hand would be wise and efficiant to time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):CW your hand is still up
Garth Graham:Go broad, not narrow
Garth Graham:That's NOT it!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: could you please suggest the question?
Garth Graham:@ Olivier I thought yours was spot on
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: I think that ultimately NTIA will be the judged of that.
Eve Edelson:thank you for all the time you have put into this
Eve Edelson:Fontastic
Heidi Ullrich:LOL, Eve!
Leon Sanchez:thanks everyone
Alberto Soto -IIISI:Thanks to all!! Bye!!
Maureen Hilyard:That's good, Alan :)
Wafa Dahmani:thank you Alan thank you all
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks for your participation!
Eve Edelson:bye all
Ariel Liang:Thanks All!
Maureen Hilyard:Happy birthday cheryl.. its still the 16th in the Cooks
Gordon Chillcott:Thanks, all. Bye for now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye all
Wafa Dahmani:it's 2 time to sleep :)
Gordon Chillcott:Sleep well
Wafa Dahmani:thank you
