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• Transcript DT-IPR_9 November.doc

• Transcript DT-IPR_9 November.pdf

Recording

• The Adobe Connect recording is available here:  https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p6tpchv4r7a/
• The audio recording is available here:  http://audio.icann.org/stewardship-transition/iana-ipr-09nov15-en.mp3

Notes

DT-IPR meeting of 9 November 2015

The nearest thing to a "charter" we have is this statement, which appears in the document linked as number 5 below:

With regard to implementation of the ICG proposal, the CWG expects that, in co-ordination with the other operational communities, the detailed requirements for such an independent entity will be agreed and specified 
and that the appropriate independent entity will then be created or selected (and adapted if necessary) such that it can meet the detailed 
requirements and that this work will take place within the currently contemplated timelines.

Notes 9/11 meeting:

• Primary purpose of DT is to come up with principles and requirements and eventually recommendations to CWG-Stewardship in relation to IANA IPR (trademark registrations and domain names).
• See document circulated by Greg (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iUREZlPBiU-oSYxQXiahEbTcH4P3Ov_EReWzmXNHiwo/edit?usp=sharing)
• 3 US trademark registrations for the word IANA, for the IANA logo and for IANA with the full name. IANA.org domain 
  name, .net and .org versions are also owned by ICANN. Task is to spec a new home for these trademark registrations.
• Question 1: what should be the requirements of the trust? Need to meet the requirement of continued operations, 
  stability and security of the IANA functions in the event of separation. Needs to work now as well as at the time of 
  possible separation. DT encouraged to provide input on what the requirements should be of the trust to hold the 
  IANA trademarks and domain names? Trust should be neutral - key principle. Needs to be responsive and responsible 
  to the three communities in some fashion (will need to be detailed at a later stage). Capable to act like a trademark 
  owner, including quality control, police & enforce trademark rights, but both done with not a too strong touch. Needs 
  to have experience in holding trademarks, but also issues as they relate to the Internet. Needs to have necessary 
  funding to carry out these responsibilities: requires access to personnel with experience and outside trademark counsel. 
• What need to be requirements specifically in relation to separation: Need to have clear guidelines in relation to licensing, 
  procedure in place for the trust to comply with orders from operational communities in case of separation and required 
  transfer of licenses, including enforcement procedure. This could be operationalised through contract and bylaw 
  requirements as well as trust document itself. See also Sidley comments in relation to trust document requirements.
• Question 2: Does the DT consider this one of the principles or requirements for the names community (exercise control/oversight 
  over the mark(s))? Should not be the priority or one of the main elements. Main focus should be that trademark is used 
  by the authorised communities in a manner that has been intended. Consider asking ICANN what kind of quality control 
  has been excercised over the years? Quality control needs to be fit for purpose - needs to meet minimum requirements 
  (legal requirements). 
• Question 3: Yes, all three communities should be included in a solution, just as the ICG proposal has developed. There 
  are some areas of different understandings: for example, the names community considers PTI the IFO, whereas the 
  numbers community considers ICANN the IFO. 
• What is meant by neutral? 

Action item: inquire with ICANN about whether they have liscensed the trademarks, and if so, under what provisions. 

Action item: Greg to share document that details the different trademark registrations

Timeline?:  ASAP.   Goal is to have interrum report by 19 Nov.  Then full report (final draft) 2 weeks after that for following 
CWG meeting of 3 Dec.

• Question 4:  What information remains to be provided to the Design Team?

_ask ICANN did they trademark 

_confirrm list of three domain names

_any other legal advise from Sidley?

• Question 5:  What does the DT propose to be the defining qualities of a neutral/independent trust that will serve 
  in this role?

_may want advice from Trust Lawyers 

_may want to consider how time efficient to set up new entity

• Question 6:  Does the Design Team confirm that IFO operational control (and transfer) of domain names is one of 
  the principles/requirements for the names community?

_question is about whether the DT agrees with the operational control of the iana.org domain name remains with the IFO 

_Need to go back to proposal and confirm what it says

• Question 7:  Can the Design Team specify the elements that would define a neutral/independent trust?

_flesh out between now and next call

_clarify what neutral / independent mean

AOB:  Next call:  

Action Item:  Send Doodle for 2 additional calls between Mon, Tues for next two weeks

Meeting adjourned.

Action Items

Action item: inquire with ICANN about whether they have liscensed the trademarks, and if so, under what provisions. 

Action item: Greg to share document that details the different trademark registrations

Action Item:  Send Doodle for 2 additional calls between Mon, Tues for next two weeks

Documents

• Chronology of CWG.pdf    
• Google LInk:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iUREZlPBiU-oSYxQXiahEbTcH4P3Ov_EReWzmXNHiwo/edit?usp=sharing

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (11/9/2015 14:36) Welcome to DT-IPR Meeting #1 on 9 November @ 21:00 UTC.

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:59) Excellent!

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:59) (need to catch up on email)

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:01) hello all

  Nicholas Barbantonis: (15:02) Hello

  Trang Nguyen: (15:03) Hello everyone

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:07) This call coincides with the IGF so some folks are there

  Maarten Simon: (15:07) sorry only listening in as I am in a bus in Brazil

  Grace Abuhamad: (15:08) Plamena Popova just joined. Welcome Plamena

  Greg Shatan: (15:08) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iUREZlPBiU-oSYxQXiahEbTcH4P3Ov_EReWzmXNHiwo/edit?usp=sharing

  Brenda Brewer: (15:08) I have it...I"ll upload it'

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:08) just received it

  Grace Abuhamad: (15:12) Greg -- we'll take notes and the DT can fill the Notes column out after the call

  Maarten Simon: (15:14) sorry but the connectiin is not good, so I better leave

  Plamena Popova: (15:23) sorry but I have to leave

  Trang Nguyen: (15:28) it appears you cannot hear me

  Grace Abuhamad: (15:28) Increase your mic volume?

  Trang Nguyen: (15:28) i'll type my comment in the chat

  Nicholas Barbantonis: (15:29) Can't hear him

  Nicholas Barbantonis: (15:29) her*

  Trang Nguyen: (15:31) One of the requirements that was just specified for the Trust is that it be neutral. It would be helpful to further define what is meant by neutral.

  Trang Nguyen: (15:31) I increased the volume on my computer, but still no audio.

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:33) thanks Greg for putting it so much more eloquently than I did :)

  Trang Nguyen: (15:39) Thanks, Greg! That's helpful.

  Grace Abuhamad: (15:42) sorrry guys -- notes are paused. fire at igf building

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:45) what is the timeline for this?

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (15:49) thanks Greg - this makes sense

  Trang Nguyen: (16:05) I think that question is about whether the DT agrees with the operational control of the iana.org domain name remains with the IFO.

  Nicholas Barbantonis: (16:07) It could be fine under contractual guidelines and supervision

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (16:08) let's not presume and see exactly what the propsal says

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (16:11) right

  Trang Nguyen: (16:15) Thanks for facilitating the call, Greg!

  Nicholas Barbantonis: (16:15) Yes, great job

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (16:16) can we have a doodle?

  Brenda Brewer: (16:18) I"ll send doodle

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (16:21) thanks Greg

  Trang Nguyen: (16:21) Thanks, Greg!

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (16:21) bye all

  Trang Nguyen: (16:21) Bye everyone.

  Greg Shatan: (16:21) Thank you!