Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function on Tuesday, 16 December 2014 at 13:30 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/yoMQAw
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Hi Terri
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I wanted to be called on the following number:
Tijani BEN JEMAA:+66(0)28747222 Room 1615
Terri Agnew:Hi Tijani, will do
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Thanks
Aída Noblia:Hello all
Gordon Chillcott:Hello everyone . .
Tomohiro Fujisaki:Hello everyone!
Seun Ojedeji:Hello all
Terri Agnew:09 December 2014 Action Items: https://community.icann.org/x/F4AQAw
Terri Agnew:At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function: https://community.icann.org/x/OYThAg
Terri Agnew:Last Call for comments on IETF Transition proposal: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/2014-November/000721.html
Terri Agnew:welcome Thomas Lowenhaupt
Terri Agnew:Welcome Sivasubramanian M
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:CRISP: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
Terri Agnew:21 Day Public Consultation now open: https://community.icann.org/x/YoEHAw
Beran Gillen:hello everyone
Sivasubramanian M:hello Terri
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Alan -- we'll be discussing the composition of the MRT afterwards - and yes, there was very little progresson the RFP3 call
Terri Agnew:Welcome Loris Taylor and Beran Gillen
Terri Agnew:Welcome Jean-Jacques Subrenat
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thank you Terri.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Has anyone on this call already mentioned the recent debate in the US Congress, which seems to make Transition more of a problem? See this article by Corbin in CircleID, http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding_bill_delays_iana_transition/
Fatima Cambronero:hello everyone (I am on the phone from the beginning and now also in the AC)
Seun Ojedeji:i just lost audio
Seun Ojedeji:can you call me back please
Terri Agnew 2:@Seun, yes
Terri Agnew 2:Seun is back on audio
Seun Ojedeji:Alan thanks...i think we should streamline our recommendations to really be clear about us implying internal to ICANN.
Loris Taylor:Yes, thank you Alan.
Fatima Cambronero:perfect! I understood. Thanks @Alan!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, because ICANN is incorporated under California law, a decision by the USA is sovereign, and no Board resolution can overturn that.
Thomas Lowenhaupt:Sorry. Got to go.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, more largely I mean "under the jurisdiction of the USA". This does not change my analysis.
Alan Greenberg:@JJS, I am not an expert og corporate law in any jurisdiction, but I have been told that many of the characteristics are common across natonal boundaries. One of the strengths that some people associate with the US is a lot of lawsuits and this a lot of precedent on what can be done.
Fatima Cambronero:my call was dropped. Can you call me again please?
Seun Ojedeji:how will they do that?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, exactly. I was just saying that whatever the Board may decide, in case an issue arises which appears (to the Congress) as contrary to US interests, the Legislative and/or the Executive in the US can overturn that Board decision.
Terri Agnew:@Fatima, yes
Seun Ojedeji:So will ICANN signing an MOU with multistakeholder community make that a possibility?
Seun Ojedeji:+1 Alan we should not be talking about how to take out. We should just focus on fixing any problem and that removes our trying to maintain seperability
Loris Taylor:Will ICANN Bylaw changes be proposed at some point? And which body will take the lead?
Seun Ojedeji:+1 to @Loris
Seun Ojedeji:that question is what we need to answer, perhaps @Tijani can help?
Seun Ojedeji:can a section of the bylaw be restricted from change?
Seun Ojedeji:can a by-law statement protect another by-law statement
Seun Ojedeji:these are questions that will help improve our position
Alan Greenberg:The Bylaws typically specify how those Bylaws are amended.
Terri Agnew:• Structural arrangements of MRT: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1POnrfwYbviniyUC_vr4pGRZ-RiKkAMJ50ovXWv7M2yk/edit
Alan Greenberg:They may specify time delays associated with consultation, threshholds that are needed for voting, or even that certain changes may not be made.
Fatima Cambronero:at the beginning of this call you were talking about a second draft of the CWG. Can someone share this second draft please? (I was not in the Adobe at that moment)
Seun Ojedeji:General Que: How do we know if our proposal receives cwg support? as i notice we are now discussing the cwg proposal
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I'm afraid I wiull have to go
Tijani BEN JEMAA:it is too late, and I have my flight early in the morning
Terri Agnew:goodbye Tijani
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye Tijani , sage travels
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:safe but sage will do too :-)
Tijani BEN JEMAA:thx
Tijani BEN JEMAA:bye now
Seun Ojedeji:i am asking because i think it will also help inform what the structure will look like
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed it will @alan
Terri Agnew:Seat Allocation of MRT: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l14hNILare9USehPaYBGaE5yy8tbjSwrRbAa9PHvmJ0/edit
Fatima Cambronero:what about the geographic diversity of the ALAC?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Fatima, I think it would be worth exploring. The debate did take place briefly at the very beginning of the ICG.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Seun, no voting, but "rough consensus".
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @JJ. I think we have to explore it
Beran Gillen:+1 seun
Beran Gillen:+1 Fatima
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Fatima: if ALAC were to decide to ask 5 seats, it would need to move fast. A first move would be to prepare a position paper, and send it to prepare minds to accept the "5 seats for ALAC" proposal.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Seun: indeed.
Fatima Cambronero:ok, thanks @JJ
Aída Noblia:ALAC only have 2 or 1 in these proposes, nor 5...
Yasuichi Kitamura:Let me check if CWG-RFP4 started.
Alan Greenberg:The MRT is the policy ENFORCING body.
Aída Noblia:+1 Fátima
Alan Greenberg:Revcall that the ALAC had *ZERO* seats on the policy bodies, the GNSO and ccNSO.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Alan
Fatima Cambronero:noooo :)
Fatima Cambronero:please, vacations during Christmas and New Year!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:FWIW, no ICG meeting is planned between now and the New Year.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:As per our CWG meeting today and a follow-on co-chairs meeting the following schedule has been agreed:: Thursday 18 December 11:00 - 13:00 UTC Tuesday 23 December 14:00 - 16:00 UTC Tuesday 30 December 14:00 - 16:00 UTC (Note - results of the public consultation will be presented and discussed - this meeting will be extremely important for everyone). Thursday 8 Januaary 11:00 - 13:00 UTC (proposed time, to be confirmed) Intensive work weekend Saturday 10 January 15:00 - 17:00 UTC Saturday 10 January 19:00 - 21:00 UTC Sunday 11 January 13:00 - 15:00 UTC Sunday 11 January 17:00 - 19:00 UTC Thursday 15 January 14:00 - 16:00 UTC (proposed time, to be confirmed)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:OK guys. thanks everyone bye for now then...
Loris Taylor:Thank you.
Fatima Cambronero:thanks Sabrina and Veronica!
Aída Noblia:Bye all
Roberto Gaetano:Bye
Gordon Chillcott:Thank you.
Fatima Cambronero:thanks all, bye
Beran Gillen:bye everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye
